Breaking: Shooting at CT elementary school

[sixone]

take away the guns and people will turn to other evil, sick ways to kill people, but nothing as easy as firing off 100+ bullets into the walls of a school and bodies of children and teachers.

i'm not saying take away guns, but control them. it would be hard to imagine shootings happening as frequently when they don't feel as powerful because they cannot legally buy nor can they illegally afford an assault rifle. bolt action rifles and revolvers wouldn't cause nearly the devastation, yet people will still be able to protect themselves and hunt/put food on the table.

as for the case for better gun control:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ushomicidesbyweapon.svg

the brady bill went into effect in november of 1993. you can see the precipitous decline of gun violence that happened due to that bit of gun regulation.

will gun control stop gun violence? no. people are violent and will kill with whatever they can. guns are made specifically to entice people to fire them... there's a thrill people get when shooting guns, which is why people (myself included) love to shoot. that's why there are gun enthusiasts. however, people won't feel powerful enough to go shoot up a mall or a school or a workplace if they are walking around with a ruger bolt action rifle or a smith & wesson revolver as opposed to a mac-10 or an ar-15 or even a glock. muskets only! lol

seriously, though, something you learn from video games is that the longer your reload time is, the higher your probability of getting caught/killed/bitten/trapped becomes. when the threat of being caught is high or the "exhilaration" of taking out scores of people is low, the "glamour" for someone who would be likely to follow through with a shooting will decrease. when we make it harder for someone or at least make it less desirable for someone to pull off a shooting while still allowing people to have the right to protect themselves and their property and hunt for food, that's the answer.

Except this also makes it tougher for law-abiding citizens to defend themselves against criminals who don't give a flying flip about the law, who will break out their semi- or full-auto to perpetrate their dastardly deeds.

There was no one in that school who could have stopped the shooter until the cops got there. How many people died between the 911 call and the cops' arrival? Those people died because of your gun control, and they should be alive.

 

[dank69]

The governor did not call the dead person a "roommate". It is the "person with whom the shooter lived".

Guessing one of his parents, but that's only a guess.

Yes, thank you, I was listening and typing at the same time. And working. :whiste:

 

[corwin]

The economy improved dramatically from the start of the 90's to the end of the 90's. Therefore for murder rates to have fallen "during" the 90's to me means that it went down from the start of the 90's (bad economy) to the end of the 90's (much better economy).

I was thinking early 2000's...but crime has been going down since then even during these bad years so...pretty sure my original point stands or at least shouldn't be discounted

 

[Saint Nick]

people are now saying schools need armed cops on campus

They just don't get it do they? Next they'll be saying each class room needs an ak-47.

"in case of emergency, break glass"

 

[corwin]

These killings are happening more and more often. If that continues, I could see a real change in the way we interpret the 2nd amendment.

Not likely, you can argue that some might try to revoke the 2nd but the interpretation is pretty clear from the SC

 

[OlafSicky]

Yes exactly.. do you ban cars ( which are a far more dangerous tool) because people cant stop driving with under the influence?

nope.. you lock those people up and take away their rights for that tool.

Do you punish both of your children when 1 of them messes up?

nope.. you punish the culprit.
This country was BUILT and DEFENDED on this right.
Texas itself which you are from if it were not for private citizens with guns would be speaking Spanish and not part of the USA. those were not 100% soldiers.. they were citizens serving as the Militia aiding the armies.
Militia's have served in every single wars during the founding of this country and states.
without the right to bear arms things would have been different.

Last time I checked Texas was speaking Spanish. The operative word in your rant is Militia. These people were organized and fighting for a cause it wasn't every gun show nut job who decided to try out his gun collection. Guns back then were a necessity they are not now. The only guns that should be carried should be carried by the Police and that is debatable, UK police are doing fine without them.

 

[Number1]

Unspeakable evil. None of the children he shot lived. 20 of them.
And that's not counting the adults who died.

Like the president and as a grand father of young school children I find myself tearing up over this.



Truly evil.

 

[rcpratt]

I think that is what the sheriff was referencing as the secondary scene.

He seemed unaware (more likely unwilling to speak of) of details of anything in New Jersey...at least, that was my understanding.

 

[cronos]

I think that is what the sheriff was referencing as the secondary scene.

He said he couldn't comment on additional crime scene in NJ, but confirmed that there's a secondary crime scene in the town of Newtown.

 

[Farmer]

For the people here trying justifying "tighter" gun control due to this and other related shootings:

Great job taking a tragedy and turning it into a political platform. You aren't being original, people have tried before you. Really, STFU and GTFO.

The reality is, shootings like this, however tragic, are statistically insignificant. National gun laws, on the other hand, affect everyone, period. They are outliers and are not a sound basis upon which to base policy. Enacting widespread restriction of rights in response to isolated events is unthinkably naive and ignores the source of the problem.

Think about what you are saying: due to tragic shootings, which directly affects a negligible portion of the population, gun laws, which affect a great portion of the population, should be made so restrictive such that even the least responsible gun owner in the nation cannot commit gun crimes. Think of an analogue in education: the curriculum should be watered down and slowed so much that the slowest student can "succeed", at the cost of everyone else's benefit.

At this rate, we should probably ban turkey frying due to the number of people killed attempting it.

Please save that shit for some other day.

 

[preslove]

Not likely, you can argue that some might try to revoke the 2nd but the interpretation is pretty clear from the SC

The right-wing supreme court in a time when mass shootings aren't happening every couple weeks. The SC has changed precedents many times, and the interpretation saying that the 'Militia' is the most important part of the amendment still has a lot of support.

 

[cronos]

For the people here trying justifying "tighter" gun control due to this and other related shootings:

Great job taking a tragedy and turning into a political platform. Really, STFU and GTFO.

The reality is, shootings like this, however tragic, are statistically insignificant. They are outliers and are not a sound basis upon which to base policy. Enacting widespread restriction of rights in response to isolated events is unthinkably naive, but it seems like the basis for our entire political system.

Hey now look who's politicizing this tragedy!

 

[StinkyPinky]

Yes exactly.. do you ban cars ( which are a far more dangerous tool) because people cant stop driving with under the influence?

nope.. you lock those people up and take away their rights for that tool.

Do you punish both of your children when 1 of them messes up?

nope.. you punish the culprit.
This country was BUILT and DEFENDED on this right.
Texas itself which you are from if it were not for private citizens with guns would be speaking Spanish and not part of the USA. those were not 100% soldiers.. they were citizens serving as the Militia aiding the armies.
Militia's have served in every single wars during the founding of this country and states.
without the right to bear arms things would have been different.

Again, with the ridiculous comparison between cars and guns.

Unlike guns, cars are not designed to kill people. They serve a purpose.

And the fact that you use examples from 150 years ago just makes a mockery of any argument you have. Did they have assault rifles back in 1850?

Back in the 1780's when the constitution was signed people had muskets that fired off one inaccurate round every minute. They were probably less deadly than swords.

We already have gun control in this country anyway, so what is the big deal? I didn't see any of you kicking up a fuss when they banned fully automatic weapons.

 

[OlafSicky]

Except this also makes it tougher for law-abiding citizens to defend themselves against criminals who don't give a flying flip about the law, who will break out their semi- or full-auto to perpetrate their dastardly deeds.

There was no one in that school who could have stopped the shooter until the cops got there. How many people died between the 911 call and the cops' arrival? Those people died because of your gun control, and they should be alive.

You are wrong these children died because of liberal gun laws and lack of mental health care in this country. What are you suggesting that these teachers or kids should have been strapped.
Law abiding citizens should call the police and wait for help. If they don't do that then you have another TM case.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Except this also makes it tougher for law-abiding citizens to defend themselves against criminals who don't give a flying flip about the law, who will break out their semi- or full-auto to perpetrate their dastardly deeds.

There was no one in that school who could have stopped the shooter until the cops got there. How many people died between the 911 call and the cops' arrival? Those people died because of your gun control, and they should be alive.

Where are these criminals opening up on innocent bystanders?

 

[iamwiz82]

He said he couldn't comment on additional crime scene in NJ, but confirmed that there's a secondary crime scene in the town of Newtown.

Interesting, I didn't take it like that originally but that could be what he meant.

 

[techs]

Were not any of the children only wounded??

 

[corwin]

The right-wing supreme court in a time when mass shootings aren't happening every couple weeks. The SC has changed precedents many times, and the interpretation saying that the 'Militia' is the most important part still has a lot of support.

Yeah it wasn't that long ago...and their interpretation of the phrasing is pretty clear, it's not gonna change, you're only hope is to repeal the 2nd...good luck with that

 

[OverVolt]

Interesting, I didn't take it like that originally but that could be what he meant.

I'm thinking mother/father lived separately.

 

[torpid]

If a psycho wanted to kill one specific teacher and as many kids as convenient and expected to be killed in the process there's pretty much no reasonable solution short of ringing the school with SWAT teams and having armed officers in every classroom. There are recess and gym classes outdoors, deliveries, hell, even windows. There's a grammar school in my neighborhood, maybe 2 blocks from my house. It has at least 4 different entrances and every first floor classroom has windows low enough to see in. Even with a cop and metal detector at every entry point a REALLY determined gunman could still cause a lot of carnage pretty quickly even without stepping foot inside the school.

And even if you completely control schools, bulletproof glass, fingerprints for getting on the grounds, armed patrols, a 1:1 guard to student ratio, so what? All you would succeed in doing would be to move the potential mass murder to a new location. A guy that wanted to kill 20 kids could do it at a movie matinee, a gymboree class, a mall, etc etc etc. There's an instant kneejerk reaction to incidents like this where everyone asks "what do we need to do to stop this from happening again?" because nobody wants to face the painful truth. We CAN'T stop it from happening again. Even if we make it impossible for another gunman to do it EXACTLY like this there will still 10,000 other ways and places to do it.

I agree with what you wrote. I don't think the armed officer would be effective or useful, but it at least wouldn't be patently absurd like arming teachers and principals would be. That was my only real point.

 

[corwin]

Law abiding citizens should call the police and wait for help.

Tell that to the parents of those dead kids...the police were called and they were killed while they waited

 

[dank69]

Were not any of the children only wounded??

There was one person injured, all the rest are dead. Pretty sure the wounded was a teacher.

 

[corwin]

I agree with what you wrote. I don't think the armed officer would be effective or useful, but it at least wouldn't be patently absurd like arming teachers and principals would be. That was my only real point.

Because teachers and principals shouldn't be allowed to defend themselves and their students? Or are you implying they are just wackos waiting for it to be legal for them to bring a gun to school before they go on a rampage like this?

 

[OverVolt]

Anyway there seem to be alot of these media sensations lately.

 

[aldamon]

And the media named the wrong brother as the shooter...Lovely.