Breaking: Shooting at CT elementary school

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Nintendesert

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4:52 p.m: Ryan Lanza, 24, brother of gunman Adam Lanza, 20, tells authorities that his younger brother is autistic, or has Asperger syndrome and a “personality disorder.” Neighbors described the younger man to ABC as “odd” and displaying characteristics associated with obsessive-compulsive disorder.




And here we go. Another crazy person. He was already barred from owning guns under existing laws.

I wonder how much Call of Duty he played and how much Quentin Tarantino films warped his already deranged mind.
 

Jeeebus

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Even here in Florida - probably considered one of the most friendly concealed carry states - the law prohibits a CCW holder from entering a school, post office, etc. etc. etc. Sure, someone with a gun "may" have been able to stop this guy, but I imagine concealed carry laws are similar throughout the US - meaning that absent some amendment stating teachers can carry, there's likely no legal firearm in the school.
 

Pray To Jesus

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Except this also makes it tougher for law-abiding citizens to defend themselves against criminals who don't give a flying flip about the law, who will break out their semi- or full-auto to perpetrate their dastardly deeds.

There was no one in that school who could have stopped the shooter until the cops got there. How many people died between the 911 call and the cops' arrival? Those people died because of your gun control, and they should be alive.

This. :thumbsup:
 

corwin

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Even here in Florida - probably considered one of the most friendly concealed carry states - the law prohibits a CCW holder from entering a school, post office, etc. etc. etc. Sure, someone with a gun "may" have been able to stop this guy, but I imagine concealed carry laws are similar throughout the US - meaning that absent some amendment stating teachers can carry, there's likely no legal firearm in the school.

That is the problem, they should be allowed to
 

spidey07

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Fun free zones are only gun free for the victims, not the crazy or criminal (who by law aren't supposed to have guns in the first place).
 

Jeeebus

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That is the problem, they should be allowed to

I was actually fairly surprised when I saw the list of places one could not carry with a CCW license. My initial reaction was... wait, does this license give me the right to carry a firearm to my mailbox and back?
 

corwin

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Not just allowed. Encouraged, AFTER they've completed whatever handgun and self-defense classes are required by the school district.
Most definitely...weird but I just wrote a 7 page essay on allowing CC on college campuses(A+ paper I might add), never would have thought grade schools should be included:\
 

VulgarDisplay

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Would the gun control nuts prefer that the guy didn't have a gun and ran an SUV down the sidewalk in front of the school at 60mph while the kids waited for their buses lined up like bowling pins?

I could see the death toll being just as high with far more injured in that instance.
 

techs

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And here we go. Another crazy person. He was already barred from owning guns under existing laws.

I wonder how much Call of Duty he played and how much Quentin Tarantino films warped his already deranged mind.
Maybe not. Unless you have a psychiatric hospitalization you are not barred.

Gun control laws won't stop a determined murderer. They do, however, cut down on the amount of guns readily available for spur of the moment killers. People often go into blind rages. By keeping guns out their immediate hands the moment may pass.
 

Phokus

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Fun free zones are only gun free for the victims, not the crazy or criminal (who by law aren't supposed to have guns in the first place).

mass-shooting-legally.jpg


STFU you idiot
 

Dumac

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This thread blew up. Interesting, isn't this exactly was encourages this kind of behavior?

Example

And a seperate quote:

Roger Ebert (the movie critic) made the same point in his review of the movie 'Elephant':

Let me tell you a story. The day after Columbine, I was interviewed for the Tom Brokaw news program. The reporter had been assigned a theory and was seeking sound bites to support it. "Wouldn't you say," she asked, "that killings like this are influenced by violent movies?" No, I said, I wouldn't say that. "But what about 'Basketball Diaries'?" she asked. "Doesn't that have a scene of a boy walking into a school with a machine gun?" The obscure 1995 Leonardo Di Caprio movie did indeed have a brief fantasy scene of that nature, I said, but the movie failed at the box office (it grossed only $2.5 million), and it's unlikely the Columbine killers saw it.

The reporter looked disappointed, so I offered her my theory. "Events like this," I said, "if they are influenced by anything, are influenced by news programs like your own. When an unbalanced kid walks into a school and starts shooting, it becomes a major media event. Cable news drops ordinary programming and goes around the clock with it. The story is assigned a logo and a theme song; these two kids were packaged as the Trench Coat Mafia. The message is clear to other disturbed kids around the country: If I shoot up my school, I can be famous. The TV will talk about nothing else but me. Experts will try to figure out what I was thinking. The kids and teachers at school will see they shouldn't have messed with me. I'll go out in a blaze of glory."

In short, I said, events like Columbine are influenced far less by violent movies than by CNN, the NBC Nightly News and all the other news media, who glorify the killers in the guise of "explaining" them. I commended the policy at the Sun-Times, where our editor said the paper would no longer feature school killings on Page 1. The reporter thanked me and turned off the camera. Of course the interview was never used. They found plenty of talking heads to condemn violent movies, and everybody was happy.
 
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CVSiN

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Would the gun control nuts prefer that the guy didn't have a gun and ran an SUV down the sidewalk in front of the school at 60mph while the kids waited for their buses lined up like bowling pins?

I could see the death toll being just as high with far more injured in that instance.

exactly.
 

Nintendesert

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Maybe not. Unless you have a psychiatric hospitalization you are not barred.

Gun control laws won't stop a determined murderer. They do, however, cut down on the amount of guns readily available for spur of the moment killers. People often go into blind rages. By keeping guns out their immediate hands the moment may pass.



Under 18 U.S.C. § 922(d), it is unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person “has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution.”


You don't have to be hospitalized, just have to be reasonably known to be a nut and you can't sell or give weapons to that person. Now the problem is if he wasn't "adjudicated" as having a mental defect and just suspected like so many are.

This is what we need to fix too, all these people out there claim they are autistic/aspergers whatever need to be properly diagnosed and put into a database preventing the ownership of weapons and they need to be monitored and forced into treatment.
 

dank69

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Fucking media is a goddamn joke with respect to this situation. So much false information. Switching the brothers' names? WTF?
 

OverVolt

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Wish there was a chart "mass shootings occur in gun free zone"

Where it is 61 yes and 0 no.

Not sure what it would prove but it would sure help out my argument because its an chart.
 

Farmer

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Interesting statistic considering that most people who kill with illegal weapons are never caught, gang members, etc. They may or may not be doing mass shootings, but they still kill far more people overall.

The statistic is used for mass shootings, which is a negligible component of murders using guns.
 

WelshBloke

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You don't have to be hospitalized, just have to be reasonably known to be a nut and you can't sell or give weapons to that person. Now the problem is if he wasn't "adjudicated" as having a mental defect and just suspected like so many are.

This is what we need to fix too, all these people out there claim they are autistic/aspergers whatever need to be properly diagnosed and put into a database preventing the ownership of weapons and they need to be monitored and forced into treatment.

How is any gun seller going to know if the buyer has mental health problems? Or do you have to have a doctors report to buy a gun?