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aidanjm

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Originally posted by: OdiN
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Vic
Name one that was repealed by the voters and not by a court.

I don't think that is relevant. What's relevant is you have an independent judicial system, acting as a check on over zealous legislators.

Originally posted by: Vic
As to Massachusetts, how can you really claim to know what's going on there? You're some 16k miles away supposedly. Everything you know about things you don't see is hearsay and/or propaganda. That applies to everything, not just this issue. Keep that in mind. Believe what you see, not see what you believe.

I keep in touch with a few folks from that part of the world. I guess my opinions are formed from interactions with them, along with reading the obviously and overly biased media from gay rights and news organisations. My opinion is also based on my belief that the more people learn about gay people, the less willing they are to discriminate against homosexuals. Gay activism is about overcoming ignorance and trying to force my beliefs and ideals on others at the end of the day. How is my opinion less supported than Odin's claim that changes in the public's attitudes are due to "people being sheep"..?

fixed.

Also you prove my statement about people being sheep every time you let yourself be brainwashed a little bit more by organizations which don't want you to be free-thinking.

you are of course referring to the christian and islamic crutches ("organizations which don't want you to be free-thinking")... yes I do feel sorry for religious fundamentalists. fortunately those of us who do value science and rational thought are growing in number, and we recognize that there is no legitimate reason to discriminate against gay people in marriage or other areas of life.

 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: OdiN
Most people are sheep. What do you expect?

I don't think it is that people are sheep. Actually, I think people are sheep to believe the anti-gay marriage propaganda spouted by religious fundamentalists (i.e., that gay marriage will destroy society or the institution of marriage). When people actually see gay marriages occurring in their own communities, and see that it doesn't lead to the end of the world, and see the amount of happiness it brings the people who are marrying, why them people actually start trusting their own judgements on this issue rather than deferring to the church.

People are always sheep whenever they decide to follow a viewpoint different than your own. :roll:

people are sheep when they follow a ludicrous and irrational doctrine (i.e., the fundamentalist christian perspective on homosexuality) simply because that is what they were taught as children. People who think for themselves are willing to subject the cultist christian ideology to rigorous questioning and inevitably they realize it is full of holes.
 

Dragoon42

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: OdiN
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Vic
Name one that was repealed by the voters and not by a court.

I don't think that is relevant. What's relevant is you have an independent judicial system, acting as a check on over zealous legislators.

Originally posted by: Vic
As to Massachusetts, how can you really claim to know what's going on there? You're some 16k miles away supposedly. Everything you know about things you don't see is hearsay and/or propaganda. That applies to everything, not just this issue. Keep that in mind. Believe what you see, not see what you believe.

I keep in touch with a few folks from that part of the world. I guess my opinions are formed from interactions with them, along with reading the obviously and overly biased media from gay rights and news organisations. My opinion is also based on my belief that the more people learn about gay people, the less willing they are to discriminate against homosexuals. Gay activism is about overcoming ignorance and trying to force my beliefs and ideals on others at the end of the day. How is my opinion less supported than Odin's claim that changes in the public's attitudes are due to "people being sheep"..?

fixed.

Also you prove my statement about people being sheep every time you let yourself be brainwashed a little bit more by organizations which don't want you to be free-thinking.

you are of course referring to the christian and islamic crutches ("organizations which don't want you to be free-thinking")... yes I do feel sorry for religious fundamentalists. fortunately those of us who do value science and rational thought are growing in number, and we recognize that there is no legitimate reason to discriminate against gay people in marriage or other areas of life.



here's a rational thought for you.... Take two men... they try to pro-create. What happens? NOTHING!!!!!

here's another one: Why stick it in a place that excretes $hit?
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: Dragoon42
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: OdiN
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Vic
Name one that was repealed by the voters and not by a court.

I don't think that is relevant. What's relevant is you have an independent judicial system, acting as a check on over zealous legislators.

Originally posted by: Vic
As to Massachusetts, how can you really claim to know what's going on there? You're some 16k miles away supposedly. Everything you know about things you don't see is hearsay and/or propaganda. That applies to everything, not just this issue. Keep that in mind. Believe what you see, not see what you believe.

I keep in touch with a few folks from that part of the world. I guess my opinions are formed from interactions with them, along with reading the obviously and overly biased media from gay rights and news organisations. My opinion is also based on my belief that the more people learn about gay people, the less willing they are to discriminate against homosexuals. Gay activism is about overcoming ignorance and trying to force my beliefs and ideals on others at the end of the day. How is my opinion less supported than Odin's claim that changes in the public's attitudes are due to "people being sheep"..?

fixed.

Also you prove my statement about people being sheep every time you let yourself be brainwashed a little bit more by organizations which don't want you to be free-thinking.

you are of course referring to the christian and islamic crutches ("organizations which don't want you to be free-thinking")... yes I do feel sorry for religious fundamentalists. fortunately those of us who do value science and rational thought are growing in number, and we recognize that there is no legitimate reason to discriminate against gay people in marriage or other areas of life.



here's a rational thought for you.... Take two men... they try to pro-create. What happens? NOTHING!!!!!

that is correct: a male and female are required for procreation. And so..? Are you trying to make some point?

Originally posted by: Dragoon42
here's another one: Why stick it in a place that excretes $hit?

You might as well ask "why put a penis in a place for eating?" People do that because oral sex feels good. Similarly anal sex can be very pleasurable. This is hardly surprising - many parts of our body can serve multiple purposes. E.g., the mouth - can be used for eating, talking, expressing emotion, etc. and the mouth can be used in sexual activities.
 

Dragoon42

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Dragoon42
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: OdiN
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Vic
Name one that was repealed by the voters and not by a court.

I don't think that is relevant. What's relevant is you have an independent judicial system, acting as a check on over zealous legislators.

Originally posted by: Vic
As to Massachusetts, how can you really claim to know what's going on there? You're some 16k miles away supposedly. Everything you know about things you don't see is hearsay and/or propaganda. That applies to everything, not just this issue. Keep that in mind. Believe what you see, not see what you believe.

I keep in touch with a few folks from that part of the world. I guess my opinions are formed from interactions with them, along with reading the obviously and overly biased media from gay rights and news organisations. My opinion is also based on my belief that the more people learn about gay people, the less willing they are to discriminate against homosexuals. Gay activism is about overcoming ignorance and trying to force my beliefs and ideals on others at the end of the day. How is my opinion less supported than Odin's claim that changes in the public's attitudes are due to "people being sheep"..?

fixed.

Also you prove my statement about people being sheep every time you let yourself be brainwashed a little bit more by organizations which don't want you to be free-thinking.

you are of course referring to the christian and islamic crutches ("organizations which don't want you to be free-thinking")... yes I do feel sorry for religious fundamentalists. fortunately those of us who do value science and rational thought are growing in number, and we recognize that there is no legitimate reason to discriminate against gay people in marriage or other areas of life.



here's a rational thought for you.... Take two men... they try to pro-create. What happens? NOTHING!!!!!

that is correct: a male and female are required for procreation. And so..?

Originally posted by: Dragoon42
here's another one: Why stick it in a place that excretes $hit?

You might as well ask "why put a penis in a place for eating?" People do that because oral sex feels good. Similarly anal sex can be very pleasurable. This is hardly surprising - many parts of our body can serve multiple purposes. E.g., the mouth - can be used for eating, talking, expressing emotion, it can be used in sexual activities, and so on.


last time I checked, eating gave our body nutrition. $hitting is excreting it. It's comparing apples and oranges.

yea what part of rational is being gay when it requires a male and female to pro-create. To me that makes being gay pretty irrational. Let's see, continue our race, or stick something up where $hit comes from and not pro-create.... hrm....

I'm not saying that gay people are going to bring down the entire human race. But please don't ever say that you're rational and scientific thinking. There is nothing rational about being gay. You're just another fetish, but you've elevated your fetishness up a notch.
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: Dragoon42
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Dragoon42
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: OdiN
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Vic
Name one that was repealed by the voters and not by a court.

I don't think that is relevant. What's relevant is you have an independent judicial system, acting as a check on over zealous legislators.

Originally posted by: Vic
As to Massachusetts, how can you really claim to know what's going on there? You're some 16k miles away supposedly. Everything you know about things you don't see is hearsay and/or propaganda. That applies to everything, not just this issue. Keep that in mind. Believe what you see, not see what you believe.

I keep in touch with a few folks from that part of the world. I guess my opinions are formed from interactions with them, along with reading the obviously and overly biased media from gay rights and news organisations. My opinion is also based on my belief that the more people learn about gay people, the less willing they are to discriminate against homosexuals. Gay activism is about overcoming ignorance and trying to force my beliefs and ideals on others at the end of the day. How is my opinion less supported than Odin's claim that changes in the public's attitudes are due to "people being sheep"..?

fixed.

Also you prove my statement about people being sheep every time you let yourself be brainwashed a little bit more by organizations which don't want you to be free-thinking.

you are of course referring to the christian and islamic crutches ("organizations which don't want you to be free-thinking")... yes I do feel sorry for religious fundamentalists. fortunately those of us who do value science and rational thought are growing in number, and we recognize that there is no legitimate reason to discriminate against gay people in marriage or other areas of life.



here's a rational thought for you.... Take two men... they try to pro-create. What happens? NOTHING!!!!!

that is correct: a male and female are required for procreation. And so..?

Originally posted by: Dragoon42
here's another one: Why stick it in a place that excretes $hit?

You might as well ask "why put a penis in a place for eating?" People do that because oral sex feels good. Similarly anal sex can be very pleasurable. This is hardly surprising - many parts of our body can serve multiple purposes. E.g., the mouth - can be used for eating, talking, expressing emotion, it can be used in sexual activities, and so on.


last time I checked, eating gave our body nutrition. $hitting is excreting it. It's comparing apples and oranges.

What an idiotic response. Do you have even an inkling of just how stupid you are, I wonder?

The mouth is for eating, not for procreation. So WHAT IS THE POINT OF ORAL SEX? Can you even answer this question?

You asked: "Why stick it in a place that excretes $hit?"

My response is that anal sex can be highly pleasureable. that is why people engage in sodomy.

(And BTW, don't fool yourself that anal sex is uniquely a homosexual practice - many heterosexual couples engage in this practice. The % varies from culture to culture, for example in Brazil 80% of heterosexual adults acknowledge engaging in anal sex. The numbers are probably lower in the USA - nevertheless, the number of heterosexuals engaging in sodomy in the USA vastly exceeds the number of homosexuals engaging in this practice.)

I also point out that it is hardly surprising that people do this, given that our body parts often serve multiple roles.

Originally posted by: Dragoon42
yea what part of rational is being gay when it requires a male and female to pro-create. To me that makes being gay pretty irrational. Let's see, continue our race, or stick something up where $hit comes from and not pro-create.... hrm....

I think it makes sense to be what you are. Around 10% of the population is born homosexual - there is no reason for these people to deny their same-sex attractions. The population argument is idiotic, given that
1) the world is grossly over populated as is,
2) there is no moral obligation for any given individual to reproduce anyway - there is no moral obligation to fvck and make babies, people DO actually have the right to remain childless if they so choose,
3) homosexuality is presumably built into our species via the process of evolution. There have always been homosexual individuals, and that has not prevented the human race from spreading across the globe. Clearly the human race is capable of survival despite having a steady 5-10% of its population sexually/ romantically attracted to individuals of the same gender. Interestingly, the latest research indicates that female relatives of male homosexuals are more fertile (they have more children) than women who do not have male gay relatives in the family. This suggests that the genetic factors leading to homosexuality in males are adaptive for the family they occur in.

Originally posted by: Dragoon42
I'm not saying that gay people are going to bring down the entire human race. But please don't ever say that you're rational and scientific thinking. There is nothing rational about being gay. You're just another fetish, but you've elevated your fetishness up a notch.

For those of us who are born homosexual - about 5-10% of the population - it makes perfect sense for us to acknowledge our same-sex attractions and adopt a gay social identity. That is the reasonable, sensible, logical thing to do. What would be IRRATIONAL would be for us to live a life of self-denial and misery simply because people like you want us to. (Particularly considering you have no good reason other than "sh1t comes out of the anus" - sorry, but that is hardly a justification against homosexual sex). The survival of the human race is not dependent on our reproducing, as we make up only a small percentage of the population. Interestingly, our sisters and nieces tend to me more fertile than your female relatives (they have more babies) anyway.
 

Dragoon42

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Dragoon42
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Dragoon42
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: OdiN
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Vic
Name one that was repealed by the voters and not by a court.

I don't think that is relevant. What's relevant is you have an independent judicial system, acting as a check on over zealous legislators.

Originally posted by: Vic
As to Massachusetts, how can you really claim to know what's going on there? You're some 16k miles away supposedly. Everything you know about things you don't see is hearsay and/or propaganda. That applies to everything, not just this issue. Keep that in mind. Believe what you see, not see what you believe.

I keep in touch with a few folks from that part of the world. I guess my opinions are formed from interactions with them, along with reading the obviously and overly biased media from gay rights and news organisations. My opinion is also based on my belief that the more people learn about gay people, the less willing they are to discriminate against homosexuals. Gay activism is about overcoming ignorance and trying to force my beliefs and ideals on others at the end of the day. How is my opinion less supported than Odin's claim that changes in the public's attitudes are due to "people being sheep"..?

fixed.

Also you prove my statement about people being sheep every time you let yourself be brainwashed a little bit more by organizations which don't want you to be free-thinking.

you are of course referring to the christian and islamic crutches ("organizations which don't want you to be free-thinking")... yes I do feel sorry for religious fundamentalists. fortunately those of us who do value science and rational thought are growing in number, and we recognize that there is no legitimate reason to discriminate against gay people in marriage or other areas of life.



here's a rational thought for you.... Take two men... they try to pro-create. What happens? NOTHING!!!!!

that is correct: a male and female are required for procreation. And so..?

Originally posted by: Dragoon42
here's another one: Why stick it in a place that excretes $hit?

You might as well ask "why put a penis in a place for eating?" People do that because oral sex feels good. Similarly anal sex can be very pleasurable. This is hardly surprising - many parts of our body can serve multiple purposes. E.g., the mouth - can be used for eating, talking, expressing emotion, it can be used in sexual activities, and so on.


last time I checked, eating gave our body nutrition. $hitting is excreting it. It's comparing apples and oranges.

What an idiotic response. Do you have even an inkling of just how stupid you are, I wonder?

The mouth is for eating, not for procreation. So WHAT IS THE POINT OF ORAL SEX? Can you even answer this question?

You asked: "Why stick it in a place that excretes $hit?"

My response is that anal sex can be highly pleasureable. that is why people engage in sodomy.

I also point out that it is hardly surprising that people do this, given that our body parts often serve multiple roles.

Originally posted by: Dragoon42
yea what part of rational is being gay when it requires a male and female to pro-create. To me that makes being gay pretty irrational. Let's see, continue our race, or stick something up where $hit comes from and not pro-create.... hrm....

I think it makes sense to be what you are. Around 10% of the population is born homosexual - there is no reason for these people to deny their same-sex attractions. The population argument is idiotic, given that
1) the world is grossly over populated as is,
2) there is no moral obligation for any given individual to reproduce anyway - there is no moral obligation to fvck and make babies, people DO actually have the right to remain childless is they so choose,
3) homosexuality is presumably built into our species via the process of evolution. There have always been homosexual individuals, and that has apparently not preventied the human race from spreading across the globe. The latest research indicates that female relatives of male homosexuals are more fertile (they have more children) than women who do not have male gay relatives in the family. This suggests that the genetic factos leading to homosexuality in males are adaptive for the family they occur in.

Originally posted by: Dragoon42
I'm not saying that gay people are going to bring down the entire human race. But please don't ever say that you're rational and scientific thinking. There is nothing rational about being gay. You're just another fetish, but you've elevated your fetishness up a notch.

For those of us who are born homosexual - about 5-10% of the population - it makes perfect sense for us to acknowledge our same-sex attractions and adopt a gay social identity. That is the reasonable, sensible, logical thing to do. What would be IRRATIONAL would be for us to live a life of self-denial and misery simply because people like you want us to. (Particularly considering you have no good reason other than "sh1t comes out of the anus" - sorry, but that is hardly a justification against homosexual sex). The survival of the human race is not dependent on our reproducing, as we make up only a small percentage of the population. Interestingly, our sisters and nieces tend to me more fertile than your female relatives (they have more babies) anyway.



So what about the sick 5-10% or even 1-2% that are born liking little children? Want them to go around raping little kids?

Or maybe you like animals? Wanna do a goat?

I don't care what you're attracted to or what you feel. Go tell your shrink about your feelings and attraction. Sure, you have no moral obligation to pro-create. But in the case that we do need to pro-create. It's not rational to be gay.

The world is overpopulated. Maybe gay people is mother nature's wrath.
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: Dragoon42
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Dragoon42
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Dragoon42
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: OdiN
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Vic
Name one that was repealed by the voters and not by a court.

I don't think that is relevant. What's relevant is you have an independent judicial system, acting as a check on over zealous legislators.

Originally posted by: Vic
As to Massachusetts, how can you really claim to know what's going on there? You're some 16k miles away supposedly. Everything you know about things you don't see is hearsay and/or propaganda. That applies to everything, not just this issue. Keep that in mind. Believe what you see, not see what you believe.

I keep in touch with a few folks from that part of the world. I guess my opinions are formed from interactions with them, along with reading the obviously and overly biased media from gay rights and news organisations. My opinion is also based on my belief that the more people learn about gay people, the less willing they are to discriminate against homosexuals. Gay activism is about overcoming ignorance and trying to force my beliefs and ideals on others at the end of the day. How is my opinion less supported than Odin's claim that changes in the public's attitudes are due to "people being sheep"..?

fixed.

Also you prove my statement about people being sheep every time you let yourself be brainwashed a little bit more by organizations which don't want you to be free-thinking.

you are of course referring to the christian and islamic crutches ("organizations which don't want you to be free-thinking")... yes I do feel sorry for religious fundamentalists. fortunately those of us who do value science and rational thought are growing in number, and we recognize that there is no legitimate reason to discriminate against gay people in marriage or other areas of life.



here's a rational thought for you.... Take two men... they try to pro-create. What happens? NOTHING!!!!!

that is correct: a male and female are required for procreation. And so..?

Originally posted by: Dragoon42
here's another one: Why stick it in a place that excretes $hit?

You might as well ask "why put a penis in a place for eating?" People do that because oral sex feels good. Similarly anal sex can be very pleasurable. This is hardly surprising - many parts of our body can serve multiple purposes. E.g., the mouth - can be used for eating, talking, expressing emotion, it can be used in sexual activities, and so on.


last time I checked, eating gave our body nutrition. $hitting is excreting it. It's comparing apples and oranges.

What an idiotic response. Do you have even an inkling of just how stupid you are, I wonder?

The mouth is for eating, not for procreation. So WHAT IS THE POINT OF ORAL SEX? Can you even answer this question?

You asked: "Why stick it in a place that excretes $hit?"

My response is that anal sex can be highly pleasureable. that is why people engage in sodomy.

I also point out that it is hardly surprising that people do this, given that our body parts often serve multiple roles.

Originally posted by: Dragoon42
yea what part of rational is being gay when it requires a male and female to pro-create. To me that makes being gay pretty irrational. Let's see, continue our race, or stick something up where $hit comes from and not pro-create.... hrm....

I think it makes sense to be what you are. Around 10% of the population is born homosexual - there is no reason for these people to deny their same-sex attractions. The population argument is idiotic, given that
1) the world is grossly over populated as is,
2) there is no moral obligation for any given individual to reproduce anyway - there is no moral obligation to fvck and make babies, people DO actually have the right to remain childless is they so choose,
3) homosexuality is presumably built into our species via the process of evolution. There have always been homosexual individuals, and that has apparently not preventied the human race from spreading across the globe. The latest research indicates that female relatives of male homosexuals are more fertile (they have more children) than women who do not have male gay relatives in the family. This suggests that the genetic factos leading to homosexuality in males are adaptive for the family they occur in.

Originally posted by: Dragoon42
I'm not saying that gay people are going to bring down the entire human race. But please don't ever say that you're rational and scientific thinking. There is nothing rational about being gay. You're just another fetish, but you've elevated your fetishness up a notch.

For those of us who are born homosexual - about 5-10% of the population - it makes perfect sense for us to acknowledge our same-sex attractions and adopt a gay social identity. That is the reasonable, sensible, logical thing to do. What would be IRRATIONAL would be for us to live a life of self-denial and misery simply because people like you want us to. (Particularly considering you have no good reason other than "sh1t comes out of the anus" - sorry, but that is hardly a justification against homosexual sex). The survival of the human race is not dependent on our reproducing, as we make up only a small percentage of the population. Interestingly, our sisters and nieces tend to me more fertile than your female relatives (they have more babies) anyway.



So what about the sick 5-10% or even 1-2% that are born liking little children? Want them to go around raping little kids?

I feel sorry for such individuals. Nevertheless, they can never be allowed to act on their preferences (or illness - this is a matter for scientific debate) as doing so would inflict trauma on the child. It goes back to the idea of your freedom ending where my freedom begins - people don't gave the right to go around raping other people.

Originally posted by: Dragoon42
Or maybe you like animals? Wanna do a goat?

I personally have no interest in bestiality, and I do oppose bestiality for the same reason I oppose battery chicken farms - it's a practice that inflicts needless suffering on animals.

nevertheless, there is no particularly strong "mainstream" moral argument against this practice. You might say animals are unable to give consent to having sex with humans - but then again we don't ask animals for consent before turning them into our dinner or leather coat.

Originally posted by: Dragoon42
I don't care what you're attracted to or what you feel.

Sure you do. Otherwise you wouldn't be wasting time in this thread, spewing your incoherent nonsense.

Originally posted by: Dragoon42
Go tell your shrink about your feelings and attraction. Sure, you have no moral obligation to pro-create. But in the case that we do need to pro-create. It's not rational to be gay.

Even that argument is idiotic. There is no necessary incompatibility between homosexuality and a desire to reproduce. You only need to have heterosexual sex once to make a baby. You don't even need to have heterosexual intercourse - you can donate our semen or eggs. Hence gay men donating their sperm to lesbians or heterosexual female friends. Etc.

Originally posted by: Dragoon42
The world is overpopulated. Maybe gay people is mother nature's wrath.

Gay people are just part of the overall picture of human reproduction. Families do not require that every family member reproduces, a family line can still be successful in reproducing despite the presence of gay individuals within the family. In fact, gay individuals often assist in child rearing tasks within a family (e.g., babysitting after their neices and nephews) thus contibuting to the overall reproductive success of that family.
 

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Originally posted by: aidanjm


For those of us who are born homosexual - about 5-10% of the population - it makes perfect sense for us to acknowledge our same-sex attractions and adopt a gay social identity. That is the reasonable, sensible, logical thing to do. What would be IRRATIONAL would be for us to live a life of self-denial and misery simply because people like you want us to. (Particularly considering you have no good reason other than "sh1t comes out of the anus" - sorry, but that is hardly a justification against homosexual sex). The survival of the human race is not dependent on our reproducing, as we make up only a small percentage of the population. Interestingly, our sisters and nieces tend to me more fertile than your female relatives (they have more babies) anyway.



So what about the sick 5-10% or even 1-2% that are born liking little children? Want them to go around raping little kids?
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I feel sorry for such individuals. Nevertheless, they can never be allowed to act on their preferences (or illness - this is a matter for scientific debate) as doing so would inflict trauma on the child. It goes back to the idea of your freedom ending where my freedom begins - people don't gave the right to go around raping other people.

Originally posted by: Dragoon42
Or maybe you like animals? Wanna do a goat?

I personally have no interest in bestiality, and I do oppose bestiality for the same reason I oppose battery chicken farms - it's a practice that inflicts needless suffering on animals.

nevertheless, there is no particularly strong "mainstream" moral argument against this practice. You might say animals are unable to give consent to having sex with humans - but then again we don't ask animals for consent before turning them into our dinner or leather coat.

Originally posted by: Dragoon42
I don't care what you're attracted to or what you feel.

Sure you do. Otherwise you wouldn't be wasting time in this thread, spewing your incoherent nonsense.

Originally posted by: Dragoon42
Go tell your shrink about your feelings and attraction. Sure, you have no moral obligation to pro-create. But in the case that we do need to pro-create. It's not rational to be gay.

Even that argument is idiotic. There is no necessary incompatibility between homosexuality and a desire to reproduce. You only need to fvck once to make a baby. You don't even need to fvck - you can just jerk off in a cup and donate the semen to a fertile female. The rest of the time you can be as queer as you like. Hence gay men donating their sperm to lesbians or heterosexual female friends. Etc.

Originally posted by: Dragoon42
The world is overpopulated. Maybe gay people is mother nature's wrath.

Gay people are just part of the overall picture of human reproduction. Families do not require that every family member reproduce, a family line can still be successful in reproducing despite the presence of gay individuals within the family. In fact, gay individuals often assist in child rearing tasks within a family (e.g., babysitting after their neices and nephews) thus contibuting to the overall reproductive success of that family.
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Right...you can jerk off and the donate the semen. But again...you still need FEMALE. I think you missed the point there.

The kids thing, what about the few % of women that go around molesting those boys? There was the incident of the teachers molesting their 14yr old students. So would you stand up for this teacher? The boys obviously wanted to bone their teacher. So neither of their freedoms were violated. The 14yr old wasn't raped either, he willingly consented. It's just an attraction right? Nothing wrong with it?

Retards are also part of the overall picture of human reproduction, so are deformed babies. Just because gay individuals help in child rearing, doesn't mean hetero people don't. The fact that the family line ends with a gay person means that gay people don't contribute to the overall reproductive success of that family.

And I really don't care how you feel, it's the fact that you THINK (not feel) that it's rational to be gay.
 
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why dont gay people like vagina...i mean allright, you like the cock, but the vagina is wonderful...why dont they like it?
 

Injury

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Originally posted by: ntdz
STOP

POSTING

GAY

THREADS

go to gay.com and post in their forums where they give a rats ass.

He prolly went there and got tired of:

Him: "I'm gay!"
Gay.com member: "REPOST."
 
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Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
why dont gay people like vagina...i mean allright, you like the cock, but the vagina is wonderful...why dont they like it?



MMMMMM.......ginaaaaaa
 

Patt

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There is some serious bigotry in this thread ... and as someone else mentioned, I'm surprised it isn't locked. If you don't want to read gay threads, read the title before entering. Or, upon realizing what you're reading, instead of a knee-jerk reaction, simply click elsewhere. :|
 

imported_Phil

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Originally posted by: Patt
There is some serious bigotry in this thread ... and as someone else mentioned, I'm surprised it isn't locked. If you don't want to read gay threads, read the title before entering. Or, upon realizing what you're reading, instead of a knee-jerk reaction, simply click elsewhere. :|

This isn't bigotry, it's a bunch of people that are fed up with the militant homosexual crusader that is aidanjm. I'll click on whichever threads I want, thanks noobie.
 

Ryan

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Dragoon42
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Dragoon42
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: OdiN
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Vic
Name one that was repealed by the voters and not by a court.

I don't think that is relevant. What's relevant is you have an independent judicial system, acting as a check on over zealous legislators.

Originally posted by: Vic
As to Massachusetts, how can you really claim to know what's going on there? You're some 16k miles away supposedly. Everything you know about things you don't see is hearsay and/or propaganda. That applies to everything, not just this issue. Keep that in mind. Believe what you see, not see what you believe.

I keep in touch with a few folks from that part of the world. I guess my opinions are formed from interactions with them, along with reading the obviously and overly biased media from gay rights and news organisations. My opinion is also based on my belief that the more people learn about gay people, the less willing they are to discriminate against homosexuals. Gay activism is about overcoming ignorance and trying to force my beliefs and ideals on others at the end of the day. How is my opinion less supported than Odin's claim that changes in the public's attitudes are due to "people being sheep"..?

fixed.

Also you prove my statement about people being sheep every time you let yourself be brainwashed a little bit more by organizations which don't want you to be free-thinking.

you are of course referring to the christian and islamic crutches ("organizations which don't want you to be free-thinking")... yes I do feel sorry for religious fundamentalists. fortunately those of us who do value science and rational thought are growing in number, and we recognize that there is no legitimate reason to discriminate against gay people in marriage or other areas of life.



here's a rational thought for you.... Take two men... they try to pro-create. What happens? NOTHING!!!!!

that is correct: a male and female are required for procreation. And so..?

Originally posted by: Dragoon42
here's another one: Why stick it in a place that excretes $hit?

You might as well ask "why put a penis in a place for eating?" People do that because oral sex feels good. Similarly anal sex can be very pleasurable. This is hardly surprising - many parts of our body can serve multiple purposes. E.g., the mouth - can be used for eating, talking, expressing emotion, it can be used in sexual activities, and so on.


last time I checked, eating gave our body nutrition. $hitting is excreting it. It's comparing apples and oranges.

What an idiotic response. Do you have even an inkling of just how stupid you are, I wonder?

The mouth is for eating, not for procreation. So WHAT IS THE POINT OF ORAL SEX? Can you even answer this question?

You asked: "Why stick it in a place that excretes $hit?"

My response is that anal sex can be highly pleasureable. that is why people engage in sodomy.

(And BTW, don't fool yourself that anal sex is uniquely a homosexual practice - many heterosexual couples engage in this practice. The % varies from culture to culture, for example in Brazil 80% of heterosexual adults acknowledge engaging in anal sex. The numbers are probably lower in the USA - nevertheless, the number of heterosexuals engaging in sodomy in the USA vastly exceeds the number of homosexuals engaging in this practice.)

I also point out that it is hardly surprising that people do this, given that our body parts often serve multiple roles.

Originally posted by: Dragoon42
yea what part of rational is being gay when it requires a male and female to pro-create. To me that makes being gay pretty irrational. Let's see, continue our race, or stick something up where $hit comes from and not pro-create.... hrm....

I think it makes sense to be what you are. Around 10% of the population is born homosexual - there is no reason for these people to deny their same-sex attractions. The population argument is idiotic, given that
1) the world is grossly over populated as is,
2) there is no moral obligation for any given individual to reproduce anyway - there is no moral obligation to fvck and make babies, people DO actually have the right to remain childless if they so choose,
3) homosexuality is presumably built into our species via the process of evolution. There have always been homosexual individuals, and that has not prevented the human race from spreading across the globe. Clearly the human race is capable of survival despite having a steady 5-10% of its population sexually/ romantically attracted to individuals of the same gender. Interestingly, the latest research indicates that female relatives of male homosexuals are more fertile (they have more children) than women who do not have male gay relatives in the family. This suggests that the genetic factors leading to homosexuality in males are adaptive for the family they occur in.

Originally posted by: Dragoon42
I'm not saying that gay people are going to bring down the entire human race. But please don't ever say that you're rational and scientific thinking. There is nothing rational about being gay. You're just another fetish, but you've elevated your fetishness up a notch.

For those of us who are born homosexual - about 5-10% of the population - it makes perfect sense for us to acknowledge our same-sex attractions and adopt a gay social identity. That is the reasonable, sensible, logical thing to do. What would be IRRATIONAL would be for us to live a life of self-denial and misery simply because people like you want us to. (Particularly considering you have no good reason other than "sh1t comes out of the anus" - sorry, but that is hardly a justification against homosexual sex). The survival of the human race is not dependent on our reproducing, as we make up only a small percentage of the population. Interestingly, our sisters and nieces tend to me more fertile than your female relatives (they have more babies) anyway.

SMACKDOWN!
 

DaShen

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So he refused his sister's kidney because it was too risky, but was willing to risk his husbands life. ;)
 

Patt

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Originally posted by: Phil
Originally posted by: Patt
There is some serious bigotry in this thread ... and as someone else mentioned, I'm surprised it isn't locked. If you don't want to read gay threads, read the title before entering. Or, upon realizing what you're reading, instead of a knee-jerk reaction, simply click elsewhere. :|

This isn't bigotry, it's a bunch of people that are fed up with the militant homosexual crusader that is aidanjm. I'll click on whichever threads I want, thanks noobie.

Thank you for proving my point :)
 

rbrandon

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: BigJ
And why is this a big deal? Why is it newsworthy?

EDIT: And the bolded parts in your article are no reasons to justify this as being newsworthy.

I don't think it is necessarily news worthy, hence I didn't post it in P&N. It's more of a "human interest" story.

it doesnt interest this person, cockfag

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