Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Dragoon42
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Dragoon42
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: OdiN
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Vic
Name one that was repealed by the voters and not by a court.
I don't think that is relevant. What's relevant is you have an independent judicial system, acting as a check on over zealous legislators.
Originally posted by: Vic
As to Massachusetts, how can you really claim to know what's going on there? You're some 16k miles away supposedly. Everything you know about things you don't see is hearsay and/or propaganda. That applies to everything, not just this issue. Keep that in mind. Believe what you see, not see what you believe.
I keep in touch with a few folks from that part of the world. I guess my opinions are formed from interactions with them, along with reading the
obviously and overly biased media from gay rights and news organisations. My opinion is also based on
my belief that the more people learn about gay people, the less willing they are to discriminate against homosexuals. Gay activism is about overcoming ignorance
and trying to force my beliefs and ideals on others at the end of the day. How is my opinion less supported than Odin's claim that changes in the public's attitudes are due to "people being sheep"..?
fixed.
Also you prove my statement about people being sheep every time you let yourself be brainwashed a little bit more by organizations which don't want you to be free-thinking.
you are of course referring to the christian and islamic crutches ("organizations which don't want you to be free-thinking")... yes I do feel sorry for religious fundamentalists. fortunately
those of us who do value science and rational thought are growing in number, and we recognize that there is no legitimate reason to discriminate against gay people in marriage or other areas of life.
here's a rational thought for you.... Take two men... they try to pro-create. What happens? NOTHING!!!!!
that is correct: a male and female are required for procreation. And so..?
Originally posted by: Dragoon42
here's another one: Why stick it in a place that excretes $hit?
You might as well ask "why put a penis in a place for eating?" People do that because oral sex feels good. Similarly anal sex can be very pleasurable. This is hardly surprising - many parts of our body can serve multiple purposes. E.g., the mouth - can be used for eating, talking, expressing emotion, it can be used in sexual activities, and so on.
last time I checked, eating gave our body nutrition. $hitting is excreting it. It's comparing apples and oranges.
What an idiotic response. Do you have even an inkling of just how stupid you are, I wonder?
The mouth is for eating, not for procreation. So WHAT IS THE POINT OF ORAL SEX? Can you even answer this question?
You asked: "Why stick it in a place that excretes $hit?"
My response is that anal sex can be highly pleasureable. that is why people engage in sodomy.
(And BTW, don't fool yourself that anal sex is uniquely a homosexual practice - many heterosexual couples engage in this practice. The % varies from culture to culture, for example in Brazil 80% of heterosexual adults acknowledge engaging in anal sex. The numbers are probably lower in the USA - nevertheless, the number of heterosexuals engaging in sodomy in the USA vastly exceeds the number of homosexuals engaging in this practice.)
I also point out that it is hardly surprising that people do this, given that our body parts often serve multiple roles.
Originally posted by: Dragoon42
yea what part of rational is being gay when it requires a male and female to pro-create. To me that makes being gay pretty irrational. Let's see, continue our race, or stick something up where $hit comes from and not pro-create.... hrm....
I think it makes sense to be what you are. Around 10% of the population is born homosexual - there is no reason for these people to deny their same-sex attractions. The population argument is idiotic, given that
1) the world is grossly over populated as is,
2) there is no moral obligation for any given individual to reproduce anyway - there is no moral obligation to fvck and make babies, people DO actually have the right to remain childless if they so choose,
3) homosexuality is presumably built into our species via the process of evolution. There have always been homosexual individuals, and that has not prevented the human race from spreading across the globe. Clearly the human race is capable of survival despite having a steady 5-10% of its population sexually/ romantically attracted to individuals of the same gender. Interestingly, the latest research indicates that female relatives of male homosexuals are more fertile (they have more children) than women who do not have male gay relatives in the family. This suggests that the genetic factors leading to homosexuality in males are adaptive for the family they occur in.
Originally posted by: Dragoon42
I'm not saying that gay people are going to bring down the entire human race. But please don't ever say that you're rational and scientific thinking. There is nothing rational about being gay. You're just another fetish, but you've elevated your fetishness up a notch.
For those of us who are born homosexual - about 5-10% of the population - it makes perfect sense for us to acknowledge our same-sex attractions and adopt a gay social identity. That is the reasonable, sensible, logical thing to do. What would be IRRATIONAL would be for us to live a life of self-denial and misery simply because people like you want us to. (Particularly considering you have no good reason other than "sh1t comes out of the anus" - sorry, but that is hardly a justification against homosexual sex). The survival of the human race is not dependent on our reproducing, as we make up only a small percentage of the population. Interestingly, our sisters and nieces tend to me more fertile than your female relatives (they have more babies) anyway.