Boehner rejects Obama on date of Jobs speach

[HomerJS]

Why should one branch of government fear the other?

And giving a speech on the steps would be foolish. It would look like a prep rally or a campaign event which is not the message they are trying to send.

He wants to do it in a joint session because it makes him look presidential. "Here is the president acting like the president"

That Wilson guy already proved they have no respect for him in the office. Dems didn't like Bush but they never dissed him when it came to Presidential courtesy.

Do you have kids? If you keep caving in and caving they will continue to push until you put your foot down. By fear I mean if you fuck with me there will be consequences.

Example, the next time Cantor complains we need cuts before funding hurricane relief response should be ok Eric, we'll make enough cuts that directly effect your district so FEMA can maintain a budget.

 

[nageov3t]

The white house and Boehners office can't even agree on if they talked to each other 😕

A White House official responded, saying: "Boehner’s office was consulted about the 9/7 date before the letter was released. No objection/concern was raised," so the letter went out.

But Boehner's office said that the White House account was not accurate.


It would be funny if it weren't so sad.

even House democrats were saying that there wasn't much notice, and that it was pretty typical of Obama's MO.

I'm not sure I buy Boehner's line that they were "notified" 15 minutes before the press, but I'd be surprised if it was much more than an hour.

 

[thraashman]

UR missing the point. It's not the date, it's his entire MO of dealing with Republicans.

Anyone remotely politically savy knew there would be a scuffle in picking that date and backing down makes him even weaker in dealing with them.

Obama need to reach down in his gut and pull this out. Put Boehner in the role of guy in green shirt. 🙂 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlISIg9PkFI

The problem is that Obama had to be the one who backed down. The Republican party has repeatedly shown that they will always put party before country. Obama has repeatedly shown that he will compromise to try to fix things, only to again be shown that the Republican party will completely fuck over the nation if it would prevent Obama from being re-elected. McConnell has said that much himself.

 

[cubby1223]

Boehner thumbs his nose at Obama! This kind of blatant disrespect for the office of President is just disgusting. I can't imagine this happening in any other Administration.

Sorry there mister Prez, we really don't have time for your speach can you make it umm some other time, like maybe never?

XOXO

Love House of Republicans

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44343546/ns/politics-white_house/

You create a thread and don't even state the reason why Boehner did not approve of the date Obama wanted?

...partisan hack


guess it's just a pipe dream that this forum will ever grow the fuck up

 

[ProfJohn]

That Wilson guy already proved they have no respect for him in the office. Dems didn't like Bush but they never dissed him when it came to Presidential courtesy.

Do you have kids? If you keep caving in and caving they will continue to push until you put your foot down. By fear I mean if you fuck with me there will be consequences.

Example, the next time Cantor complains we need cuts before funding hurricane relief response should be ok Eric, we'll make enough cuts that directly effect your district so FEMA can maintain a budget.

Congress aren't "kids"

More like a spouse and if you treat your spouse with disrespect bad things will happen.

 

[KGB]

Boner to Obama:

Fuck you, I invite/allow you when we want and how I approve.

Liking the new balls he has. This is awesome. Force the president to compete with start of NFL. Great move. Fuckstain in office - I call. This is what the speaker of the house should do.

About time he showed some balls and stuck it to obama. Brilliant. I love it, balls all over the chin and face of Obama, all over it.

Do you have to wipe the froth off your chin after one of these?

 

[cubby1223]

Seriously, it is President Obama, not Dictator Obama.

Boehner is showing more respect to Obama than Obama is showing to Boehner. It goes both ways.

 

[HomerJS]

Seriously, it is President Obama, not Dictator Obama.

Boehner is showing more respect to Obama than Obama is showing to Boehner. It goes both ways.

So how is requesting the time disrespectful?

 

[HomerJS]

Boner to Obama:

Fuck you, I invite/allow you when we want and how I approve.

Liking the new balls he has. This is awesome. Force the president to compete with start of NFL. Great move. Fuckstain in office - I call. This is what the speaker of the house should do.

About time he showed some balls and stuck it to obama. Brilliant. I love it, balls all over the chin and face of Obama, all over it.

I thought you guys didn't want to be know as tea baggers. Guess I was mistaken.

 

[Ausm]

So how is requesting the time disrespectful?

Simple President Obama didn't genuflect before Speaker Boner.

 

[HomerJS]

Congress aren't "kids"

More like a spouse and if you treat your spouse with disrespect bad things will happen.

I respectfully disagree with 1st sentance. Agree with 2nd.

 

[ProfJohn]

So how is requesting the time disrespectful?

Because he didn't request it.

He sent them notice that he wanted to speak at that time and then sent out the press release before the speaker had agreed to said time.

A request means that you ask to do something before you go out and do it.

 

[ProfJohn]

I respectfully disagree with 1st sentance. Agree with 2nd.

Well.. they may act like kids, but in comparison to the president they are not 'his' kids.

 

[spidey07]

I thought you guys didn't want to be know as tea baggers. Guess I was mistaken.

I love when Obama gets tea bagged. This is really awesome though, he'll be bleating on the television when folks are all ready for some football and all across the nation the combined sighs of "not this fuck on TV again" will be deafening.

 

[werepossum]

first it seemed like a petty, partisan jab to schedule his speech on the same date/time as the Republican debates, then it seemed weak to once again cave to GOP demands.

I don't really get the up side to this whole thing.

This. But it did change the narrative from the substance of the speech (or lack thereof) to the argument about when the speech will happen. If Obama's team views the President's proposals (or rather, how the electorate will view the President's proposals) as weak, ineffectual or nonsensical, they may see this as a plus politically. Make the Republicans look partisan and change the focus from the actual proposal to the Pubbies' reaction to its existence. Hard to even guess motivation behind politics anymore.

EDIT: I disagree that making the President compete with the NFL opener is a good thing though. If Obama's proposals are crap, the more people who see that the better politically for the Republicans and for the country. If Obama's proposals are sensible and good, then the more people who watch them, the better for the country. It was a dick move by Obama - he really does think he is ruling rather than leading - but changing the debate date would arguably be better for the country.

 

[Thump553]

Congress aren't "kids"

More like a spouse and if you treat your spouse with disrespect bad things will happen.

I totally disagree with you on this. Congress, and specifically the GOP House members and GOP House leadership specifically, have been consistently acting as bunch of headstrong spoiled children since 2008 and have only been getting worse with the passage of time. Where I'm upset is that Obama constantly caves in to them and thus validates and reinforces their destructive behavior.

Take 'em out behind the woodshed and give them some good old GOP corporal punishment on the backside, I say.

 

[spidey07]

I totally disagree with you on this. Congress, and specifically the GOP House members and GOP House leadership specifically, have been consistently acting as bunch of headstrong spoiled children since 2008 and have only been getting worse with the passage of time. Where I'm upset is that Obama constantly caves in to them and thus validates and reinforces their destructive behavior.

Take 'em out behind the woodshed and give them some good old GOP corporal punishment on the backside, I say.

House to Obama - We Won. It's about time the republicans start neutering this administration, that's what they were elected to do. This is awesome.

Failed, weak and ineffectual president is fail, weak and ineffectual. That is GOOD for this nation.

 

[werepossum]

I totally disagree with you on this. Congress, and specifically the GOP House members and GOP House leadership specifically, have been consistently acting as bunch of headstrong spoiled children since 2008 and have only been getting worse with the passage of time. Where I'm upset is that Obama constantly caves in to them and thus validates and reinforces their destructive behavior.

Take 'em out behind the woodshed and give them some good old GOP corporal punishment on the backside, I say.

Congress and the White House are co-equal branches of government; Obama is not caving in to them, he is simply accommodating a co-equal branch of government. The President traditionally requests to address a joint session of Congress - again, a co-equal branch of government. In this case the President told Boehner when he would address them, picked a date with a Republican Presidential candidate debate scheduled weeks if not months earlier, announced it to the press without even giving Boehner the courtesy of a reply, and as a result got spanked. It's not Boehner who is acting like a child here.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Because he didn't request it.

He sent them notice that he wanted to speak at that time and then sent out the press release before the speaker had agreed to said time.

A request means that you ask to do something before you go out and do it.

Actually I don't think this is true. My understanding is that the Speaker's office had agreed to the date and time, then later rescinded its agreement.

This is the first time in history that Congress has not accepted the proposed date and time of a speech by the President. I see this as petty stupidity by Boehner, who is clearly just trying to placate the Tea Party element at the expense of basic civility. I would have preferred to see the President push back but that doesn't seem to be his style. I hope he grows some more huevos in his second term.

 

[Ausm]

I totally disagree with you on this. Congress, and specifically the GOP House members and GOP House leadership specifically, have been consistently acting as bunch of headstrong spoiled children since 2008 and have only been getting worse with the passage of time. Where I'm upset is that Obama constantly caves in to them and thus validates and reinforces their destructive behavior.

Take 'em out behind the woodshed and give them some good old GOP corporal punishment on the backside, I say.

I concur he needs to grow a pair.

 

[HomerJS]

I love when Obama gets tea bagged. This is really awesome though, he'll be bleating on the television when folks are all ready for some football and all across the nation the combined sighs of "not this fuck on TV again" will be deafening.

Rick Perry says you need to resist acts of gayness. Listen to your next great white hope.

http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2011/08/25/rick-perry-says-being-gay-is-a-choice

 

[Fern]

Actually I don't think this is true. My understanding is that the Speaker's office had agreed to the date and time, then later rescinded its agreement.

You have a link for that? (No blogs pls).

It would be pretty stupid on Boehner's part to agree to the joint session knowing full well the debate was scheduled then. You can't move the debate (I'll likely address why a little later).

To schedule both at the same time sets up problems for both Boehner and Obama. Obama's polling #'s are so low I don't think he wants to risk crappy TV ratings, particularly not any that are worse than the Repub debate. There is already talk of Obama being 'irrelevant', and that's on MSNBC. Bad ratings only make him look even weaker. Boehner's problem in allowing a joint session (if he could even get it passed) is that Repub members would be angry that he allowed Obama to compete with the debate. I have little doubt they see Obama's timing as cheap political gamesmanship. Then there's the problem of some chunk of Repub candidates not being able to attend the joint session because of the debate, and the possibility that those candidates (or other Repubs) who do will later come under (Dem) attack for 'not caring about jobs more than their political aspirations' or some such.

This is the first time in history that Congress has not accepted the proposed date and time of a speech by the President.

I'd be surprised if that was indeed the case. There have been some contentious relationships between the Prez and Congress in the past.

But IMO, this speech does not warrant a joint session. The President usually only appears before a joint session for the State of the Union (as mandated by the Constitution) or some huge even like war/911. I do see where Obama already had one for his HC, and Clinton had one for his in his 1st year as Prez.

Here's a link to the schedule of joint sessions over the past 15 - 20 yrs. Other than foreign leaders and State of the Union addresses they're pretty rare. http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/reference/four_column_table/Joint_Sessions.htm

I think he wants a joint session more for PR/campaign purposes than anything. Whatever Obama wants for a jobs bill he needs to come from Boehner out of the House, pretty poor way to start IMO. Poor political acumen.

But Obama's getting his joint session. That sets up huge expectations, it better be something big. We'll see how that pans out, 'backfire' or 'awesomeness' seem the only 2 options now.

I see this as petty stupidity by Boehner, who is clearly just trying to placate the Tea Party element at the expense of basic civility. I would have preferred to see the President push back but that doesn't seem to be his style. I hope he grows some more huevos in his second term.

I doubt the TEA Party has anything to really do with this. Aren't you guys wearing out that talking point?

What "push back"? For most who aren't Ed Shultz type Obamaphiles it looks like Obama is the one being "petty" and arrogant here. His only "push back" option I see is having his speech against the Repub debate, but for reasons listed above that may not be a good idea.

Fern

 

[Fern]

Boehner thumbs his nose at Obama! This kind of blatant disrespect for the office of President is just disgusting. I can't imagine this happening in any other Administration.

Sorry there mister Prez, we really don't have time for your speach can you make it umm some other time, like maybe never?

XOXO

Love House of Republicans

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44343546/ns/politics-white_house/

Ed Shultz is that you?

So much partisan stupidity here I won't bother to address it.

Fern

 

[Fern]

-snip-
but changing the debate date would arguably be better for the country.

I've been responsible for staging large events and I don't see how moving the debate is at all plausible.

Hundreds, if not a thousand or so, have already made their plane reservations and paid for them.

Same for their hotel reservations/bills.

Same for auto and limo rentals.

The caterers have already been contracted and ordered the food etc.

The network(s) have already scheduled this stuff, the talking heads, the camera people, the sound techs, the 'roadies' who haul the gear and pull the cables etc.

Security teams have already made their plans and likely have prep teams already on location.

Exhibitors have already planned and ordered (and paid) for everything, such as their booths which are quite expensive. The booth companies may have trucks already enroute. Set up takes a few days.

Printed materials have probably already been done by the print companies. Think the date might be on there? Reprint them?

It's likely temporary infrastructure improvements are in place. E.g., additional land lines and expanded network capability for staff and the press.

I'm probably forgetting, or unaware of, 90% of the tasks. It's quite likely a fair amount of stuff is already in place. You've got to stage some of this stuff because you can't have everybody working simultaneously, they'd be all over each others' backs. Plus, not a lot of people want to work over the Holiday. Starting Tuesday morning and hoping to finish by Wednesday evening isn't enough time to get everything set up and tested.

Even if you were willing to eat all the money, time and effort that went into this, good luck pulling it altogether again before the primaries are over.

IMO, it's not a question of reschedule or not, it's a question of cancel. And I think Obama, his admin and everyone else in Washington DC knows this. Dick move on Obama's part.

Fern

 

[werepossum]

I've been responsible for staging large events and I don't see how moving the debate is at all plausible.

Hundreds, if not a thousand or so, have already made their plane reservations and paid for them.

Same for their hotel reservations/bills.

Same for auto and limo rentals.

The caterers have already been contracted and ordered the food etc.

The network(s) have already scheduled this stuff, the talking heads, the camera people, the sound techs, the 'roadies' who haul the gear and pull the cables etc.

Security teams have already made their plans and likely have prep teams already on location.

Exhibitors have already planned and ordered (and paid) for everything, such as their booths which are quite expensive. The booth companies may have trucks already enroute. Set up takes a few days.

Printed materials have probably already been done by the print companies. Think the date might be on there? Reprint them?

It's likely temporary infrastructure improvements are in place. E.g., additional land lines and expanded network capability for staff and the press.

I'm probably forgetting, or unaware of, 90% of the tasks. It's quite likely a fair amount of stuff is already in place. You've got to stage some of this stuff because you can't have everybody working simultaneously, they'd be all over each others' backs. Plus, not a lot of people want to work over the Holiday. Starting Tuesday morning and hoping to finish by Wednesday evening isn't enough time to get everything set up and tested.

Even if you were willing to eat all the money, time and effort that went into this, good luck pulling it altogether again before the primaries are over.

IMO, it's not a question of reschedule or not, it's a question of cancel. And I think Obama, his admin and everyone else in Washington DC knows this. Dick move on Obama's part.

Fern

Good points.