Boehner being reported as resigning.

[HomerJS]

All indications are that Boener will remain in his role until the Republicans have committed to a replacement.

Paul Ryan's poison pill is interesting. The tea baggers are already openly criticizing it, so it's likely dead in the water.

Can't blame him and its the smart thing to do. Nobody wants this suck ass job so force me to do it, it's my way or no way. Also smart thing being public about it and making the decision theirs.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Well played Mr. Ryan your Pimp Hand is strong.

 

[MongGrel]

Then they should be against PACs and move back to party finances them.
I hate to say it but I'm starting to believe most Politicians are stupid.

That's how they connect with the average voter.

No, they are smart.

And most of them don't give a crap about probably accomplishing anything as long as they are sucking down a huge paycheck while doing nothing, more or less.

 

[K1052]

Part of why Boehner had so much trouble governing was that he was constantly in danger of being overthrown by a small handful of the most extreme members of his caucus that could use that to exert outsized influence. This change would allow the Speaker to actually lead the House.

Which is why the Freedom Caucus will never agree. They are explicitly trying to reduce the power of the speaker and the leadership not increase it.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Which is why the Freedom Caucus will never agree. They are explicitly trying to reduce the power of the speaker and the leadership not increase it.

I keep having an odd feeling that somehow the Freedom caucus will change their votes before the vote and we'll see Pelosi as speaker again. I know its a long shot but strange things happen lately.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I keep having an odd feeling that somehow the Freedom caucus will change their votes before the vote and we'll see Pelosi as speaker again. I know its a long shot but strange things happen lately.

That thought crossed my mind as well. It would be a huge FU to the tea party idiots.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

In the off chance Pelosi becomes speaker again I bet many Republicans would secretly be glad. Debt ceiling could be addressed, funding for Government could pass without them explaining why they gummed up Government to Seniors and military families and they could still complain about too much spending without having to explain why they voted for more spending.

 

[K1052]

I keep having an odd feeling that somehow the Freedom caucus will change their votes before the vote and we'll see Pelosi as speaker again. I know its a long shot but strange things happen lately.

There is open talk from GOP reps of a coalition speaker, will be a Republican but certainly a very moderate one to pick up enough D votes to be elected.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

There is open talk from GOP reps of a coalition speaker, will be a Republican but certainly a very moderate one to pick up enough D votes to be elected.

Who will be brave enough to jump on the grenade? Even this is an FU to the tea party and Republicans. They have a solid majority but are incapable of finding a leader.

 

[Blackjack200]

Which is why the Freedom Caucus will never agree. They are explicitly trying to reduce the power of the speaker and the leadership not increase it.

Exactly, they like all the power and attention their little voting block has gotten them. They don't need to play ball, they'll just scream that Ryan is trying to grab power and refuse to go along with it.

I keep having an odd feeling that somehow the Freedom caucus will change their votes before the vote and we'll see Pelosi as speaker again. I know its a long shot but strange things happen lately.

The Republicans have an internal vote before the Speaker vote comes to the floor. If they don't have 218, they'll cancel the floor vote and Boener will remain. If any of the 218 change their votes from the internal to the floor, that would be a serious betrayal. I don't believe that would happen.

There is open talk from GOP reps of a coalition speaker, will be a Republican but certainly a very moderate one to pick up enough D votes to be elected.

Dems have already said that they will not help the Republicans. All Democratic reps will vote for Pelosi.

 

[K1052]

Who will be brave enough to jump on the grenade? Even this is an FU to the tea party and Republicans. They have a solid majority but are incapable of finding a leader.

Charlie Dent seems to be beating the bushes hardest right now on this but he'd have to be making a lot of promises to the D's as while he's more centrist than the Freedom Caucus he's not ideal by any means and they'd take some flak for supporting him.

 

[K1052]

Dems have already said that they will not help the Republicans. All Democratic reps will vote for Pelosi.

I don't think a coalition speaker is a certain outcome by any means but Pelosi has indicated an openness to considering a moderate GOP compromise speaker. That's a better deal than the GOP has gotten from inside it's own party at any rate.

 

[Blackjack200]

You're right, I take that back. Looks like Pelosi changed her position over the weekend. it still seems like a longshot given that any Republican that gets elected speaker with less than 218 R votes could be seen as illegitimate.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

The Republicans have an internal vote before the Speaker vote comes to the floor. If they don't have 218, they'll cancel the floor vote and Boener will remain. If any of the 218 change their votes from the internal to the floor, that would be a serious betrayal. I don't believe that would happen.

Strange things always follow the tea party, like filibustering a bill you introduced because the President supports it. However I know its unlikely.

 

[K1052]

You're right, I take that back. Looks like Pelosi changed her position over the weekend. it still seems like a longshot given that any Republican that gets elected speaker with less than 218 R votes could be seen as illegitimate.

Doesn't matter what he's seen as if the moderate GOPs caucus with the D's. They'll be able to make deals and advance legislation. The protracted leadership fight in the midst of a what has developed into a genuine legislative crisis through inaction could compel people to do unusual things.

GOP moderates already circumvented usual House process to pass a discharge petition forcing a vote on the Ex Im bank using Dem support.

 

[fskimospy]

Doesn't matter what he's seen as if the moderate GOPs caucus with the D's. They'll be able to make deals and advance legislation. The protracted leadership fight in the midst of a what has developed into a genuine legislative crisis through inaction could compel people to do unusual things.

GOP moderates already circumvented usual House process to pass a discharge petition forcing a vote on the Ex Im bank using Dem support.

This will never happen.

One word: primaries.

 

[K1052]

This will never happen.

One word: primaries.

I'll grant that it's highly unlikely but the moderates are increasingly stuck between a rock and a hard place. Voting for the Ex Im can also be used against them in primaries but they did it anyway.

 

[Blackjack200]

Worth pointing out that a "bi-partisan" speaker may only require 30 Republican votes as Pelosi has the Democrats marching in lock step.

Also, publicly stating that they're willing to do this is great PR for the Democrats.

 

[trenchfoot]

Hmmm.......I wonder if the hard core crazies have finally overplayed their hand and are now willing to make concessions to get the ball rolling again so they may resume playing hardball with their Repub nannys.

It certainly seems like the Party has dead-ended itself with nowhere else to go except to either call a truce or ratchet up the internal war they're having to an even higher level of absurdity.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Worth pointing out that a "bi-partisan" speaker may only require 30 Republican votes as Pelosi has the Democrats marching in lock step.

Also, publicly stating that they're willing to do this is great PR for the Democrats.

No Republican would vote for Pelosi, but if the opportunity presented itself for the democrats to join moderate Republicans for a moderate Republican coalition speaker, I would be very disappointed if the democrats didn't do the responsible thing and jump at the opportunity. It would be a transcendent moment in the history of the house, and might finally reverse the hyper-partisan atmosphere that has taken hold. While a sizable faction of the house does indeed seem to be almost gleeful at the prospect of wrecking our economy by flirting with debt defaults, the democrats cannot sit idly by and let them do it just to reap the eventual political benefit.

 

[Charmonium]

Hmmm.......I wonder if the hard core crazies have finally overplayed their hand and are now willing to make concessions to get the ball rolling again so they may resume playing hardball with their Repub nannys.

It certainly seems like the Party has dead-ended itself with nowhere else to go except to either call a truce or ratchet up the internal war they're having to an even higher level of absurdity.

Nope. For them, failure is victory. They'll just try to spawn and get more teabaggers elected.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

You guys aren't sounding too confident in Ryan's bold "here are my demands, you have 72 hours to comply" campaign strategy.

 

[trenchfoot]

You guys aren't sounding too confident in Ryan's bold "here are my demands, you have 72 hours to comply" campaign strategy.

The very same guy that shepherded his famously failed "The Path to Prosperity: Restoring America's Promise" budget plans six feet deep into the ground?

That Paul Ryan?

 

[Jhhnn]

This will never happen.

One word: primaries.

Yep. Skeered half to death of the Teahadi extortionists.

So much for honor, duty, principles & values.

I really don't understand Boehner at this point. He's in a perfect position to break teatard balls, assert himself as Speaker, yet does nothing. The Repubs clearly need his leadership yet her refuses to assert it. The Speaker has enormous power that Boehner hasn't even used. Instead, he's allowed himself to be hogtied by rules he really doesn't need to follow. He can basically change the rules at will & the tards won't be able to raise enough votes to object.

He can cement his position as Speaker for as long as he wants it because they need him more than he needs them.

Shut down the govt? Bring it, fools. The teahadists don't have to answer for that in their own gerrymandered districts, but there are lots of Repubs from swing districts who won't be able to defend it or the other shit that they demand.

If Repubs can't find a way to nut up & deal with their own radical minority they'll be destroyed from within.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

^ Boehner doesn't want to get blamed for the outright split of the Republican party that would cause. Boehner's priorities are 1. His own ass 2. His party overlords 3. Tied between booze and tanning.

What everyone (well, Republicans and the media at large at least) is in denial about is the party is already split. I just don't know what more they need with not only this fiasco but Trump's primary fiasco to actually start calling it.