Boehner being reported as resigning.

[Gonad the Barbarian]

The very same guy that shepherded his famously failed "The Path to Prosperity: Restoring America's Promise" budget plans six feet deep into the ground?

That Paul Ryan?

Maybe he would have had a better response if he had written it with cut out newspaper and magazine letters.

 

[VRAMdemon]

I don't see the Freedom Caucus allowing the demands made by Ryan -Their seats are safe and they just usurped both John Boehner and his heir apparent Kevin McCarthy...why then now would they neuter the power they've just achieved and be shackled with an agreement that gives them even less control than they had.

Obviously Ryan doesn't want the job. He likes the job he has and wants to keep it. So, he's setting up the conditions under which he will accept the job he doesn't want. And they can take it or leave it. Ryan walks away intact, and he can go on to defend his seat at home, which should be easy enough (presumably, it is a House seat and district voting.)

Only the Tea Party would miss the irony that they are complaining about someone making demands and stating non-negotiable conditions.

 

[Charmonium]

Trump will abolish Congress. What do those losers know about getting shit done. So it's all a moot point.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Majority of freedom caucus just endorsed Ryan.

Can't say I saw that coming.

 

[Jhhnn]

^ Boehner doesn't want to get blamed for the outright split of the Republican party that would cause. Boehner's priorities are 1. His own ass 2. His party overlords 3. Tied between booze and tanning.

What everyone (well, Republicans and the media at large at least) is in denial about is the party is already split. I just don't know what more they need with not only this fiasco but Trump's primary fiasco to actually start calling it.

The Teahadis can't split. They'd lose their hostage taking position & all their leverage. Even if they do, Repubs will maintain a plurality or majority in the HOR.

Boehner *IS* the Speaker. He doesn't need 218 votes to keep that. Any successor needs those votes to take his place & nobody can come up with them.

He has the power to put bills up for vote regardless of their objections, bills that Dems & sensible Repubs will pass if they get to the floor. If he twists the rules doing it, there's not a fucking thing they can do about it other than whine because he'll get backing across party lines.

Boehner is in the perfect position to pull all the heat down on himself & come out a hero.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

^ And yet he's not...

Majority of freedom caucus just endorsed Ryan.

Can't say I saw that coming.

Hmm, maybe not exactly an endorsement.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ryan-freedom-caucus

Members of the House Freedom Caucus -- the conservative hardliners who have been roiling GOP leadership in recent weeks -- emerged from a meeting Wednesday on Rep. Paul Ryan's speaker candidacy willing to give him their "support" as a group. In a caucus vote, about two-thirds of the members said they were comfortable supporting Ryan as speaker, according to those present. However, they did not reach the 80 percent support line that the caucus requires to give its endorsement. After the meeting members also said the group would not concede to the conditions Ryan has given publicly to accept the speakership.

"We are sending the message to the conference and Paul Ryan that he has our support, but that we will continue to ask for the changes that we are asking for," said Rep. Raul Labrador (R-ID) told reporters.

Edit: Article updated, Ryan responded, apparently it's enough. Insert "It's a Trap" pic.

 

[JEDI]

Majority of freedom caucus just endorsed Ryan.

Can't say I saw that coming.

majority meaning 2/3s.
ryan wanted the whole freedumb caucus to back him as a group block.

now we're back at a stale mate.

After the vote, ryan said he doesn't have the full backing of all the groups.
and the freedumb caucus said the ball's in Ryan's court now.

the freedumb caucus are idiots.
Ryan doesn't have to accept.
he's perfecting happy to stay as chair of the powerful Ways and Means committee and skip the headache of being Speaker w/childish wacko ultra-right wingnuts.

 

[Bitek]

Well his speakership is off to a fine start!

 

[Blackjack200]

Ryan: I'll be speaker, but only if you guys are not allowed to hold a gun to my head the entire time.
Teabaggers: No.
Ryan: Okay, I'll be speaker anyway.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

^ Clearly the right stuff for SotH.

 

[JEDI]

Ryan: I'll be speaker, but only if you guys are not allowed to hold a gun to my head the entire time.
Teabaggers: No.
Ryan: Okay, I'll be speaker anyway.

I will not run. if elected, I will not serve (if all my conditions aren't met).

guess 67% of the freedumb caucus is close enuf?

 

[UberNeuman]

I will not run. if elected, I will not serve (if all my conditions aren't met).

guess 67% of the freedumb caucus is close enuf?

Ryan was never very good with numbers.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Just heard this described as two people talking each other into a relationship but neither intends to be faithful and both know the relationship will end in tears.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Then why not just man up and simply say, 'Thank you for your consideration, but I don't want the job'. Seems odd to me, but I'm no politician - thank God.

I don't see the Freedom Caucus allowing the demands made by Ryan -Their seats are safe and they just usurped both John Boehner and his heir apparent Kevin McCarthy...why then now would they neuter the power they've just achieved and be shackled with an agreement that gives them even less control than they had.

Obviously Ryan doesn't want the job. He likes the job he has and wants to keep it. So, he's setting up the conditions under which he will accept the job he doesn't want. And they can take it or leave it. Ryan walks away intact, and he can go on to defend his seat at home, which should be easy enough (presumably, it is a House seat and district voting.)

Only the Tea Party would miss the irony that they are complaining about someone making demands and stating non-negotiable conditions.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Then why not just man up and simply say, 'Thank you for your consideration, but I don't want the job'. Seems odd to me, but I'm no politician - thank God.

Think of yourself. You're pretty happy at your current job but a guy wants to recruit you for his business. Similar position but more responsibility and an angry office culture. The potential new employer tells you that you're one of the only qualified people in the area that can do the job.
I know I'd ask for a large pay increase, more time off and duties delegated off to keep the pissed off people away. I'd even ask for an employment guarantee. This is essentially what Ryan is asking for. He knows his value is high for the speaker position.

 

[FerrelGeek]

That's a better response than I hoped for, given the crowd that posts here. I get your point, but if I was happy enough in my current job, I tell said recruiter, 'I'm flattered that you think that way about me, but I'm good where I'm at'. There are some jobs that simply aren't worth it.

Also, I think it's a dangerous thing to eliminate the method to recall a speaker. The cesspool that is DC politics should be a more that sufficient example of how power corrupts. Don't give anyone more power by eliminating the threat that said person can't be dethroned. Yes, representatives are voted on every 2 years, but it's pretty tempting to keep YOUR representative in office when they have a lot of power. Remember the adage, people hate congress, but love there congressperson.

Think of yourself. You're pretty happy at your current job but a guy wants to recruit you for his business. Similar position but more responsibility and an angry office culture. The potential new employer tells you that you're one of the only qualified people in the area that can do the job.
I know I'd ask for a large pay increase, more time off and duties delegated off to keep the pissed off people away. I'd even ask for an employment guarantee. This is essentially what Ryan is asking for. He knows his value is high for the speaker position.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

That's a better response than I hoped for, given the crowd that posts here. I get your point, but if I was happy enough in my current job, I tell said recruiter, 'I'm flattered that you think that way about me, but I'm good where I'm at'. There are some jobs that simply aren't worth it.

Also, I think it's a dangerous thing to eliminate the method to recall a speaker. The cesspool that is DC politics should be a more that sufficient example of how power corrupts. Don't give anyone more power by eliminating the threat that said person can't be dethroned. Yes, representatives are voted on every 2 years, but it's pretty tempting to keep YOUR representative in office when they have a lot of power. Remember the adage, people hate congress, but love there congressperson.

I kind of agree with the confidence vote for the speaker however its become like the filibuster its being used to threaten things and essentially slowing work down. I don't think that was the idea when it was created and I don't think its a good use of power so I understand Ryan's point and its pretty smart.

 

[dank69]

People are already labeling Ryan a hypocrite for demanding more family time since the GOP of course opposes mandatory paid family leave.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

People are already labeling Ryan a hypocrite for demanding more family time since the GOP of course opposes mandatory paid family leave.

People are but unfortunately nobody cares

 

[michal1980]

People are already labeling Ryan a hypocrite for demanding more family time since the GOP of course opposes mandatory paid family leave.

by people, you mean people like you?


And if you libs are as smart as you claim, you should be able to tell the difference between an employee asking his employer for something vs government mandating something. But seeing as how you are ripping on Ryan, it seems that you really are not smart.

 

[Blackjack200]

by people, you mean people like you?

And if you libs are as smart as you claim, you should be able to tell the difference between an employee asking his employer for something vs government mandating something. But seeing as how you are ripping on Ryan, it seems that you really are not smart.

People should only get to spend time with their families if they operate at senior levels of leadership or have substantial leverage over their employers. Got it.

 

[dank69]

by people, you mean people like you?


And if you libs are as smart as you claim, you should be able to tell the difference between an employee asking his employer for something vs government mandating something. But seeing as how you are ripping on Ryan, it seems that you really are not smart.

I'm his employer. I don't see him asking me for extra family leave.

 

[Jhhnn]

Ryan: I'll be speaker, but only if you guys are not allowed to hold a gun to my head the entire time.
Teabaggers: No.
Ryan: Okay, I'll be speaker anyway.

Eventually, Repubs will either have to lurch further towards the abyss by adopting the Teahad agenda or they'll have to change the rules to deny leverage to extreme minorities within the Party.

Adopting that agenda will damage them severely at the national level because it really is a minority position & a toxic one at that.

Defending govt shutdowns over PP or the debt ceiling are sure losers in swing districts of which there are many. It is an obvious & profound failure to govern.

Not defending them means that Teahad extortionists will carry out their threats which will only accomplish the same damage in a different way, sending the Party further right.

In their zeal to create a legislative majority thru gerrymandering Repub leaders created their own nightmare in the Tea Party whose radical billionaire backers have plenty of money & organization to cause this ruckus. They can be beaten back but it'll require some courage & sacrifice by the leadership to do so, something they haven't shown at all.

The Teahad didn't come to Washington to run the govt but rather to break it. It's hard to imagine that the majority of Americans want that.

 

[michal1980]

People should only get to spend time with their families if they operate at senior levels of leadership or have substantial leverage over their employers. Got it.

Or they find work that lets them do so? give up cable/ fancy cell phone/ etc.

having choice does not mean everything is going to be easy.

I dont see a problem here.

 

[Blackjack200]

Or they find work that lets them do so?

I dont see a problem here.

Of course you don't.