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Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: joshsquall

Now they can compete based on price. They can upgrade tech as well. BR changed the codec they were using recently to improve image quality.
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You don't need two standards to compete on price. Multiple manufacturers will compete on price. Like... DVD. The other codecs aren't new, they were part of the Blu-Ray standard when the first player was released (as well as the HD-DVD standard - they use the same codecs).

Having two competing standards is bad for a few reasons. Among them are:
- Many people are going to be left with a big paperweight eventually. Possibly a big paperweight and a bunch of coasters.
- Consumers will decide which standard "wins." That's bad. Consumers will choose based on the wrong reasons. i.e. HD-DVD has DVD in the name, so it's more familiar. People don't like Sony. People do like Sony. Movie X is only available on format Y. Etc.
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Actually I don't agree with the paperweight assessment. I can't speak for the Blu-Ray players, but part of the reason I purchased my HD-DVD unit was for it's upconversion capabilities. The toshiba HD-DVD players are considered very good upconverting players for standard dvds. So even if HD-DVD fails, at least I have my current HD-DVD collection, and my regular dvd items to fall back on.
 
Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Originally posted by: irishScott
Holographic Disks FTW!

Better seek times and 30x the capacity of Blu-ray, just slightly larger then a ZIP disk. They'll be pooping up around 2010. Just read about in Popular Science. Google it.
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You can read a lot of crap in Popular Science! Weren't we supposed to have super soldiers wearing robotic suits last year?
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Given that a company already sells them for corporate archiving (although they are currently extremely expensive), I think it's more likely to materialize than not.
 
DVDs are... but between HD-DVD and Blu-Ray? Currently I would say a tie. Neither is winning. Sure HD-DVD was winning for awhile, then Blu-Ray, but overall the "war" has just gotten started.
 
Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: joshsquall

Now they can compete based on price. They can upgrade tech as well. BR changed the codec they were using recently to improve image quality.
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You don't need two standards to compete on price. Multiple manufacturers will compete on price. Like... DVD. The other codecs aren't new, they were part of the Blu-Ray standard when the first player was released (as well as the HD-DVD standard - they use the same codecs).

Having two competing standards is bad for a few reasons. Among them are:
- Many people are going to be left with a big paperweight eventually. Possibly a big paperweight and a bunch of coasters.
- Consumers will decide which standard "wins." That's bad. Consumers will choose based on the wrong reasons. i.e. HD-DVD has DVD in the name, so it's more familiar. People don't like Sony. People do like Sony. Movie X is only available on format Y. Etc.
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Actually I don't agree with the paperweight assessment. I can't speak for the Blu-Ray players, but part of the reason I purchased my HD-DVD unit was for it's upconversion capabilities. The toshiba HD-DVD players are considered very good upconverting players for standard dvds. So even if HD-DVD fails, at least I have my current HD-DVD collection, and my regular dvd items to fall back on.
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That HD-XA2 is simply awesome for upconversion.
 
I won't buy either. There is nothing wrong with current DVD technology.

If Blu-Ray or HD-DVD can overtake regular DVD's then you better believe that Netflix and BlockBuster will pass along the increased costs to us. And a bad movie will still be a bad movie only you get to pay 5x as much for it. No thanks.
 
Originally posted by: irishScott
Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Originally posted by: irishScott
Holographic Disks FTW!

Better seek times and 30x the capacity of Blu-ray, just slightly larger then a ZIP disk. They'll be pooping up around 2010. Just read about in Popular Science. Google it.
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You can read a lot of crap in Popular Science! Weren't we supposed to have super soldiers wearing robotic suits last year?
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Given that a company already sells them for corporate archiving (although they are currently extremely expensive), I think it's more likely to materialize than not.
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They use robotic suits for archiving?
 
Originally posted by: Conky
I won't buy either. There is nothing wrong with current DVD technology.

If Blu-Ray or HD-DVD can overtake regular DVD's then you better believe that Netflix and BlockBuster will pass along the increased costs to us. And a bad movie will still be a bad movie only you get to pay 5x as much for it. No thanks.
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They won't cost 5x as much to rent
 
I kinda wish I could just buy a Blu-Ray add-on for my XBOX 360. Then I wouldn't have to look at a BR movie and go "aww I'd like to get that... is it on HD-DVD... nope... is it worth me buying a PS3 for... :laugh:" Personally, I do like the difference of HD vs ED when it comes to DVDs, but the fact that I can't just go to the store and pick up a new movie in the format I want is irritating.
 
Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Originally posted by: Blurry
HD-DVD will win..the name itself matters the most.
For most people, they will naturally get HD-DVD cuz it sounds like DVD, except its HD.
(Think about it.. HDTV plus DVD = HD-DVD for the average joe)
(Blu-ray = ...WTF????)
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Yep, exactly. When Joe Schmoe goes into his local electronics store to purchase an HD Player to go along with his HDTV, which name is he going to relate to?

And honestly, Blu-Ray's sales aren't that great. They have the hardware advantage with the PS3, and still haven't outsold HD-DVD by a significant margin. The fact that the PS3 sales have sucked in the US haven't helped, either.
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Still haven't outsold them by a significant margin? As of February, sales were at over a million BR players to around 200,000 HD-DVD players. Having 5x the number of players is pretty significant. Add to that every month in the US, the PS3 is selling the same amount as at least half of the entire HD-DVD owners.
 
Originally posted by: cubby1223
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: cubby1223
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Competition is always good. In the end, both formats will be better and cheaper for having had a competitor, regardless of which (or if) one wins.
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Nope.

And I can't stand people who say that.
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You're not too bright, are you?
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Only when one line is quoted from a longer argument. Obviously.
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Oh I read your whole "argument." Format competition is bad for consumers. There should be entities that mandate all common specifications and protocols, then business should only be allowed to compete on their implementations of the pre-determined standards. *yawn*

I'm sorry, but your post reeks of ignorance of the history and working of the free-market enterprise. It's the market that drives true innovation, not bureaucratic entities that sit in towers and philosophize about the way they think things should be. Sure, it's not always perfect, and you may get sometimes have superior technologies get lost and abandoned in a cloud of marketing hype, but the OP was right, competition *is* good for consumers.

Oh noes, now that I've said it, you'll "hate" me too. :roll:
 
You should really add "Whatever format wins!" to your final poll. I have no intention of buying what could become the next 8 Track or Divx DVD player. 🙂
 
Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Originally posted by: irishScott
Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Originally posted by: irishScott
Holographic Disks FTW!

Better seek times and 30x the capacity of Blu-ray, just slightly larger then a ZIP disk. They'll be pooping up around 2010. Just read about in Popular Science. Google it.
Click to expand...

You can read a lot of crap in Popular Science! Weren't we supposed to have super soldiers wearing robotic suits last year?
Click to expand...

Given that a company already sells them for corporate archiving (although they are currently extremely expensive), I think it's more likely to materialize than not.
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They use robotic suits for archiving?
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According to past issues of Popular Science, we should all have flying cars, cold fusion, and a base on Mars by now. Their projections are a wee bit optimistic 🙂
 
I don't understand why anyone would want a HD-DVD drive over a Blu-Ray. In terms of storage space it seems to me that BR should be a hands down winner. BR disks are already at 25 gig and with the possibility of that expanding to possibly 50-100gig makes it a must have for anyone with a need for more storage space.

I have nothing against the HD-DVD format, but if the only difference between the 2 formats is that 1 has more storage space I'm opting for higher storage capacity.
 
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Originally posted by: Blurry
HD-DVD will win..the name itself matters the most.
For most people, they will naturally get HD-DVD cuz it sounds like DVD, except its HD.
(Think about it.. HDTV plus DVD = HD-DVD for the average joe)
(Blu-ray = ...WTF????)
Click to expand...

Yep, exactly. When Joe Schmoe goes into his local electronics store to purchase an HD Player to go along with his HDTV, which name is he going to relate to?

And honestly, Blu-Ray's sales aren't that great. They have the hardware advantage with the PS3, and still haven't outsold HD-DVD by a significant margin. The fact that the PS3 sales have sucked in the US haven't helped, either.
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Still haven't outsold them by a significant margin? As of February, sales were at over a million BR players to around 200,000 HD-DVD players. Having 5x the number of players is pretty significant. Add to that every month in the US, the PS3 is selling the same amount as at least half of the entire HD-DVD owners.
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I meant software sales over hardware. Plus, how many ps3 owners are actually using their blu-ray player? Or even bought their ps3 for the use of it? Not easy things to measure.
 
Originally posted by: Arkitech
I don't understand why anyone would want a HD-DVD drive over a Blu-Ray. In terms of storage space it seems to me that BR should be a hands down winner. BR disks are already at 25 gig and with the possibility of that expanding to possibly 50-100gig makes it a must have for anyone with a need for more storage space.

I have nothing against the HD-DVD format, but if the only difference between the 2 formats is that 1 has more storage space I'm opting for higher storage capacity.
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The storage arguement is irrelevant as the winner is decided by the movie makers...not the computer geeks wanting a disc to hold 100gigs of porn vs. 25gigs of porn.

 
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