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Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD

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Originally posted by: Mellman
neither of the companies supporting these idiotic form factors get my business until there is ONE. I don't need to have a blu-ray AND an HD-DVD player just to watch a sony movie and a paramount movie. the whole thing is utterly stupid, and is not good in any way shape or form for businesses or consumers at this stage in the game.
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Competition is always good. In the end, both formats will be better and cheaper for having had a competitor, regardless of which (or if) one wins.
 
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Competition is always good. In the end, both formats will be better and cheaper for having had a competitor, regardless of which (or if) one wins.
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Nope.

And I can't stand people who say that.

Standards.

There is a reason why they are good.

What if the different electric companies had different power outlets? PITA. What if different car companies used different gasolines? PITA. In the computer industry, look at how f'd up building web pages were when Netscape & IE were very different in what they supported. Major PITA.

It's best to create one standard, then let the companies compete over their implementations of the standards.
 
Originally posted by: CorCentral
Remember, Sony does'nt want another BetaMax bomb! They will do everything they can to manipulate the numbers.
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Kinda hard to do when Nielsen VideoScan is the one releasing the numbers.
 
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: CorCentral
Remember, Sony does'nt want another BetaMax bomb! They will do everything they can to manipulate the numbers.
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Kinda hard to do when Nielsen VideoScan is the one releasing the numbers.
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Strong with the force Influence is.
I just can't see Blu Ray doing well, even after all the PS3 hub bub!

 
none of them are winning. DVD still is.

i fail to find a reason to upgrade until the technology is at least 3 years old and I have my own place.
 
Originally posted by: cubby1223
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Competition is always good. In the end, both formats will be better and cheaper for having had a competitor, regardless of which (or if) one wins.
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Nope.

And I can't stand people who say that.

Standards.

There is a reason why they are good.

What if the different electric companies had different power outlets? PITA. What if different car companies used different gasolines? PITA. In the computer industry, look at how f'd up building web pages were when Netscape & IE were very different in what they supported. Major PITA.

It's best to create one standard, then let the companies compete over their implementations of the standards.
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Standards are made from a list of choices. It's not like that was the only option available. The BR/HD battle is the same. It's a list of choices, albeit a short list, which will have a winner eventually that will become standard. The competition before the standard is what improves the eventual standard.
 
Sure DVD is winning now, but when you look in the long run, with the industry moving away from analog sources and more and more people being able to purchase a HDTV, people are going to want to see content that is in HD. The competition is goood because both camps will keep trying to 1up each other and bring the purchase price lower and lower. That is why it is good for consumers. However, it is not good because it will always create two different camps that people will have to choose which camp to support because of the high prices as of now.

DVD is crap compared to HD-DVD. If you think an upconverted DVD can touch a HD-DVD, think again.
 
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Standards are made from a list of choices. It's not like that was the only option available. The BR/HD battle is the same. It's a list of choices, albeit a short list, which will have a winner eventually that will become standard. The competition before the standard is what improves the eventual standard.
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So in another sense it only becomes good for the consumer when the competition returns to a monopoly. If we had true healthy competition, both formats would be around for a long time. So while we're at it, let's just go ahead and throw into the mix that EVD format from Chinese manufacturers.

It's bad enough we have to buy 3 gaming consoles just to enjoy the games that easily could all be handled on one console. I don't need 3 dvd players just to enjoy watching movies on my tv.
 
Originally posted by: cubby1223
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Standards are made from a list of choices. It's not like that was the only option available. The BR/HD battle is the same. It's a list of choices, albeit a short list, which will have a winner eventually that will become standard. The competition before the standard is what improves the eventual standard.
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So in another sense it only becomes good for the consumer when the competition returns to a monopoly. If we had true healthy competition, both formats would be around for a long time. So while we're at it, let's just go ahead and throw into the mix that EVD format from Chinese manufacturers.

It's bad enough we have to buy 3 gaming consoles just to enjoy the games that easily could all be handled on one console. I don't need 3 dvd players just to enjoy watching movies on my tv.
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And here's the thing: If you only EVER had one choice, why would they set the price at say $99? If there's no other option, why not charge $149? $199? Why develop some of the finer features? Competition helps because manufacturers fight for market share with price and value added features.
 
Originally posted by: cubby1223
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Competition is always good. In the end, both formats will be better and cheaper for having had a competitor, regardless of which (or if) one wins.
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Nope.

And I can't stand people who say that.
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You're not too bright, are you?

 
Even though the formats are really small compared to DVD, Blu-Ray is currently winning, hands down. It also has the best technological standpoint and the most supporters (plus the PS3 will help it).

It's too early to say what will win though. Blu-Ray looks to be the possible winner so far, but we still have a while to go.

BTW: People need to stop making posts about this.
 
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: cubby1223
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Competition is always good. In the end, both formats will be better and cheaper for having had a competitor, regardless of which (or if) one wins.
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Nope.

And I can't stand people who say that.

Standards.

There is a reason why they are good.

What if the different electric companies had different power outlets? PITA. What if different car companies used different gasolines? PITA. In the computer industry, look at how f'd up building web pages were when Netscape & IE were very different in what they supported. Major PITA.

It's best to create one standard, then let the companies compete over their implementations of the standards.
Click to expand...

Standards are made from a list of choices. It's not like that was the only option available. The BR/HD battle is the same. It's a list of choices, albeit a short list, which will have a winner eventually that will become standard. The competition before the standard is what improves the eventual standard.
Click to expand...

We're long past the point of competition between Blu-Ray and HD-DVD being good for consumers. That turning point was before they were released the the general public. Competition may have improved them before release, but now that there are players available to the public the standards don't change. Now it is detrimental to consumers to have two competing standards.
 
Holographic Disks FTW!

Better seek times and 30x the capacity of Blu-ray, just slightly larger then a ZIP disk. They'll be pooping up around 2010. Just read about in Popular Science. Google it.
 
HD-DVD will win..the name itself matters the most.
For most people, they will naturally get HD-DVD cuz it sounds like DVD, except its HD.
(Think about it.. HDTV plus DVD = HD-DVD for the average joe)
(Blu-ray = ...WTF????)
 
Seriously, though people need to stop speculating and just buy on what you want to watch. Look at the studios that are backing each format and buy the format that release the movies you like to watch. We cannot speculate when we do not know all of the information and when we all know that this is going to be a long war. And holographic disks are not the future, the future is digital distribution over the internet.
 
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: cubby1223
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Competition is always good. In the end, both formats will be better and cheaper for having had a competitor, regardless of which (or if) one wins.
Click to expand...
Nope.

And I can't stand people who say that.

Standards.

There is a reason why they are good.

What if the different electric companies had different power outlets? PITA. What if different car companies used different gasolines? PITA. In the computer industry, look at how f'd up building web pages were when Netscape & IE were very different in what they supported. Major PITA.

It's best to create one standard, then let the companies compete over their implementations of the standards.
Click to expand...

Standards are made from a list of choices. It's not like that was the only option available. The BR/HD battle is the same. It's a list of choices, albeit a short list, which will have a winner eventually that will become standard. The competition before the standard is what improves the eventual standard.
Click to expand...

We're long past the point of competition between Blu-Ray and HD-DVD being good for consumers. That turning point was before they were released the the general public. Competition may have improved them before release, but now that there are players available to the public the standards don't change. Now it is detrimental to consumers to have two competing standards.
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Now they can compete based on price. They can upgrade tech as well. BR changed the codec they were using recently to improve image quality.
 
Originally posted by: joshsquall
And here's the thing: If you only EVER had one choice, why would they set the price at say $99? If there's no other option, why not charge $149? $199? Why develop some of the finer features? Competition helps because manufacturers fight for market share with price and value added features.
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I never said you'd have just one choice. You can have either hd-dvd or blu-ray as the lone standard, then the competition is between Toshiba, Sony, Samsung, Pioneer, etc. to provide the best quality player at a low price to us. That's how you can have the competition built on a single standard.

The dvd was the standard by itself for so many years, and prices of players dropped to $30 and movies can be had for as little as $5.
 
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: cubby1223
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Competition is always good. In the end, both formats will be better and cheaper for having had a competitor, regardless of which (or if) one wins.
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Nope.

And I can't stand people who say that.
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You're not too bright, are you?
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Only when one line is quoted from a longer argument. Obviously.
 
Originally posted by: irishScott
Holographic Disks FTW!

Better seek times and 30x the capacity of Blu-ray, just slightly larger then a ZIP disk. They'll be pooping up around 2010. Just read about in Popular Science. Google it.
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You can read a lot of crap in Popular Science! Weren't we supposed to have super soldiers wearing robotic suits last year?
 
Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Originally posted by: irishScott
Holographic Disks FTW!

Better seek times and 30x the capacity of Blu-ray, just slightly larger then a ZIP disk. They'll be pooping up around 2010. Just read about in Popular Science. Google it.
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You can read a lot of crap in Popular Science! Weren't we supposed to have super soldiers wearing robotic suits last year?
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Phasers are this year 😛
 
Originally posted by: Blurry
HD-DVD will win..the name itself matters the most.
For most people, they will naturally get HD-DVD cuz it sounds like DVD, except its HD.
(Think about it.. HDTV plus DVD = HD-DVD for the average joe)
(Blu-ray = ...WTF????)
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Yep, exactly. When Joe Schmoe goes into his local electronics store to purchase an HD Player to go along with his HDTV, which name is he going to relate to?

And honestly, Blu-Ray's sales aren't that great. They have the hardware advantage with the PS3, and still haven't outsold HD-DVD by a significant margin. The fact that the PS3 sales have sucked in the US haven't helped, either.
 
Originally posted by: joshsquall

Now they can compete based on price. They can upgrade tech as well. BR changed the codec they were using recently to improve image quality.
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You don't need two standards to compete on price. Multiple manufacturers will compete on price. Like... DVD. The other codecs aren't new, they were part of the Blu-Ray standard when the first player was released (as well as the HD-DVD standard - they use the same codecs).

Having two competing standards is bad for a few reasons. Among them are:
- Many people are going to be left with a big paperweight eventually. Possibly a big paperweight and a bunch of coasters.
- Consumers will decide which standard "wins." That's bad. Consumers will choose based on the wrong reasons. i.e. HD-DVD has DVD in the name, so it's more familiar. People don't like Sony. People do like Sony. Movie X is only available on format Y. Etc.
 
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