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Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD

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I don't think we are far enough into the race to say who will win with any certainty... although I'd personally prefer to see Blu-Ray win out because of its higher capacity I currently don't own a player for either format & won't be buying one until one or the other comes out on top or dual-format drives hit approx $200.
 
By the time a winner is decided (about 3 years down the line) the cost of either type of players will be reasonable so it doesn't matter to me even though I have a PS3 but if HD-DVD wins I'll just get one of those players to go along with my PS3.

That said I'm really enjoying my Blu-Ray player on my PS3.
 
One thing I find annoying about this "war" is that it's not a war necessarily of quality... both formats offer the same codecs (mainly using VC-1 now since Blu-Ray finally switched over from high bitrate MPEG2) and similar features. Unlike VHS vs DVD, you don't have a war over the pure different in quality... you have a war over who can get exclusivity to what title. That makes this HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray more like a console war than anything else.
 
Originally posted by: cubby1223
Originally posted by: ChAoTiCpInOy
Originally posted by: cubby1223
Originally posted by: ChAoTiCpInOy
The sale of PS3 Blu-ray players are counted in this and they should not be because of how the people that buy the PS3 use it for. They use it for games not movies. This is going to be a long format war because of the muscle behind all of the backing both formats have. I have a $200 HD-DVD player addon for my 360 and if Blu-ray comes out in front, Microsoft probably will release a Blu-ray player addon, so win win. We will have to just wait and see.

I own zero PS3 games, 3 blu-ray movies, and 2 movies currently rented from netflix. I have been playing God of War 2 these past couple weeks. 🙂
So one out of many huh.
But you still have to admit that everyone who has a PS3 does indeed have a blu-ray movie player. And most who have neither hd-dvd or blu-ray are playing the waiting game until one format is clearly dominant.

And that right there is the other reason I'm banking on blu-ray. And if I'm wrong, I'll just take the cost hit to buy a dual format player. But my gut instincts say I won't be wrong.

i too own a PS3, however, I do own a few games. But, I have an ever increasing BD library. 14 BD's so far. 🙂
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
By the time a winner is decided (about 3 years down the line) the cost of either type of players will be reasonable so it doesn't matter to me even though I have a PS3 but if HD-DVD wins I'll just get one of those players to go along with my PS3.

That said I'm really enjoying my Blu-Ray player on my PS3.

3 years? I'm almost betting that it will come to a head by this holiday season. At any rate, I think the time for the "not-so-early-adopters" (ie: me) to buy the player will be summer '08 or thereabouts.

*shrug* Who knows?

 
Originally posted by: PhoenixOrion
I can see on Netflix, more titles in BR than HDDVD.

even though in reading that hd dvd is superior in image q.
The first releases from Sony used MPEG2 instead of a modern codec but that's no longer true.

Image quality is now the same, so the main reason to prefer blu-ray is the higher storage (25 GB vs. 15 GB per layer). And that you get a free game console with your player 🙂
 
Blu-ray is a superior technology, so it would make sense for consumers and film studios to invest in this technology. I read somewhere that Blu-ray will eventually reach the capacity of 100GB disks. Obviously the next step is dual layer ? ala 50GB disks.

I?m no fanboy, but I do hope blu-ray eventually holds the majority market share.
 
I have HD-DVD but am starting to think Blu-Ray will win. Every movie I have had any interest in lately is nowhere to be found on HD-DVD but is sitting on shelves in Blu-Ray form.
 
Blu-Ray has more industry support, more disc sold, and more players on the market.

Unless someone comes out with a super cheap HD-DVD player (I'm talking $150-200), theres really no way HD-DVD is going to take control.

Really the only downside to Blu-ray was that it cost more to produce, but if they are outselling the competition then those production cost will drop as a result.
 
Originally posted by: naldo
Unless someone comes out with a super cheap HD-DVD player (I'm talking $150-200), theres really no way HD-DVD is going to take control.

What good are cheap players if most of the movies you would like to see are on the other format???

sure, you might have access to some of the speilberg classics and jurassic park, but after that, what are you left with???
 
Originally posted by: RichUK
Blu-ray is a superior technology, so it would make sense for consumers and film studios to invest in this technology. I read somewhere that Blu-ray will eventually reach the capacity of 100GB disks. Obviously the next step is dual layer ? ala 50GB disks.

I?m no fanboy, but I do hope blu-ray eventually holds the majority market share.

dual-layer BD has been a reality for quite some time now. Quite a few movies have taken advantage of it too, and the two Pirates/Caribbean movies will be released with 2 discs, one of those being a 50gb disc strictly for the movie, with the second disc, a 25gb disc, featuring the extras.
looking forward to those 🙂
 
I think Blu-Ray is winning, I pwn neither, and I had to put that I plan to buy Blu-Ray simply because I plan on buying a PS3. I want HD-DVD to win though, for a lot of reasons - this should be a 4th poll question
 
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: RichUK
Blu-ray is a superior technology, so it would make sense for consumers and film studios to invest in this technology. I read somewhere that Blu-ray will eventually reach the capacity of 100GB disks. Obviously the next step is dual layer ? ala 50GB disks.

I?m no fanboy, but I do hope blu-ray eventually holds the majority market share.

dual-layer BD has been a reality for quite some time now. Quite a few movies have taken advantage of it too, and the two Pirates/Caribbean movies will be released with 2 discs, one of those being a 50gb disc strictly for the movie, with the second disc, a 25gb disc, featuring the extras.
looking forward to those 🙂

Ohh, I didn't know that, thanks.

I'm behind the times. 😀
 
Originally posted by: shabby
Bluray holds more porn... the desicion is simple.

I heard from Gamespy column that sony will not support the pron industry with blue-ray. unless this is false or sony changes stance, blue-ray will lose
 
Originally posted by: mooncancook
I heard from Gamespy column that sony will not support the pron industry with blue-ray. unless this is false or sony changes stance, blue-ray will lose

That's if you think porn will really decide anything. In the 80's VHS was only way to get porn in the house. Now you can get it anywhere. Cable, VHS, DVD, internet. There's no dearth in accessibility that would kill a format that didn't support it.
 
The porn industry is not going to be the factor. I think people just like the opportunity to say "porn" and sound knowledgeable.
 
Hmm.. interesting the only thing the supposed sucess of Casino Royale on Blu-ray proves is how little people care about the next generation of dvd, and hd movies in general. Out of the install base of 2 million blu ray players, including playstation 3 only 100,000 out of 2 million saw fit to purchase the movie.

The porn industry is not going to play that large of a role in this war. It is going to be about how much the studios and backers of each of the two camps is willing to spend. It is an investment and they see it as that, so both camps are going to be protecting their investments.
 
Originally posted by: ChAoTiCpInOy
Hmm.. interesting the only thing the supposed sucess of Casino Royale on Blu-ray proves is how little people care about the next generation of dvd, and hd movies in general. Out of the install base of 2 million blu ray players, including playstation 3 only 100,000 out of 2 million saw fit to purchase the movie.

The porn industry is not going to play that large of a role in this war. It is going to be about how much the studios and backers of each of the two camps is willing to spend. It is an investment and they see it as that, so both camps are going to be protecting their investments.

Uh.. that's 5%. How many people who own a DVD player do you think bought the DVD version? You also have to realize that the disks have been out for a week. Selling a new format to 5% of your install base within a week is pretty decent, I'd say.
 
Really it is a good start but the point is that the way sony brandishes these numbers touting an instant win for blu ray, its far too early to be claiming victory and the sony marketing machine, and their PR in general with blu ray has been very tacky. utilizing alot of deceptive methods.
 
Originally posted by: cubby1223
The porn industry is not going to be the factor. I think people just like the opportunity to say "porn" and sound knowledgeable.

I've explained this in great detail in the past, but nobody wanted to listen. 🙁 Everyone is just content with repeating what they've heard someone else say on the Internet, even if it's not true.
 
I don't know that either will win. As mentioned earlier, so many people buy an hdtv and hook up their dvd player and think, "hey, I've got hdtv". Everything I've read indicates that most people sit too far from their screen to tell a difference between standard definition and hi-def, so it should be interesting. I think most Americans are more about convenience now. They went to cd's and dvd's because you didn't have to rewind anymore. But then look at mp3 players. You actually take a hit in quality, but it is far more convenient than lugging around a case of cds, and average everyday joe can't tell a difference anyways. I think that compressed video is where things will go. As long as a movie looks good enough that it is comparable in quality to a current dvd (as most americans did appreiciate the quality difference between vhs and dvd), I think people will prefer a hard drive based player where they simply click the movie they want to watch, and it plays. This is of course if the movie industry learns what it appears the music industry is slowly learning, and just accept the fact that pirating will exist and just sell the stupid movies. However, drm appears to be rearing its ugly head for physical disks, so I don't know that this will provide a benefit over downloadable media or not. I'd imagine that in 3 years, it won't be that unusual to have a 50-100 mbps internet connection, which should be fast enough to stream a movie. In my opinion, moving to a new physical medium for movies is almost as pointless as moving to a new physical medium for music. Most people just can't see that much difference in the quality, and convenience is more important.

Edit:

I state compressed video but I realize current video is compressed, but I guess I mean that the size of the video file will become more important so that hard drive / flash drive based players can be used in place of removable media.
 
neither of the companies supporting these idiotic form factors get my business until there is ONE. I don't need to have a blu-ray AND an HD-DVD player just to watch a sony movie and a paramount movie. the whole thing is utterly stupid, and is not good in any way shape or form for businesses or consumers at this stage in the game.
 
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