Blu-Ray versus HD-DVD (old)

[ProfJohn]

I would think that new $299 price for a HD DVD is going to make a difference.
I can see buying one at that price so I can watch HD movies on that fancy TV.

The cheapest blue-ray is still $200 more. Mentally that is a huge difference.

BTW I wish these guys could have patched things up and just put out one HD DVD system hate to think I could spend $299 on a player only to see it go belly up in a year.



BTW2 Is this the Christmas that these things go mainstream?

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I would think that new $299 price for a HD DVD is going to make a difference.
I can see buying one at that price so I can watch HD movies on that fancy TV.

The cheapest blue-ray is still $200 more. Mentally that is a huge difference.

BTW I wish these guys could have patched things up and just put out one HD DVD system hate to think I could spend $299 on a player only to see it go belly up in a year.



BTW2 Is this the Christmas that these things go mainstream?

Here's how I thought about HD-DVD losing any format war. You still have the discs you bought in a format that looks great. They can be played forever. So whats the diff? Sure, you spent some cash, but you still get benefit in perpetuity.

 

[spacejamz]

Nielsen Sales numbers for the week ending July 8 are out...

Blu ray won (as they have every week this year) again 66% to 34% which is pretty close the Year to Date figure of 67% to blu ray and 33% to HD DVD.

Blu ray had two exclusive catalog releases (Flatliners and the Patriot) while The Untouchables, The Warriors and Blood Diamond were released on both formats (the blu ray version of Blood Diamond was released on June 5).

Next week's numbers will reflect the $100 price drop of the PS3, so if blu ray disk sales increase from consumers buying movies for their new PS3's, the Nielsen figures will show this.

Next week, HD DVD will have exclusive release titles of Billy Madison, Dante's Peak, The War and The Wedding Date while Blue Planet will be released on both formats.

Nielsen Numbers are on page 2 here:
Home Media Magazine July 8-14th Edition

If anyone is interested, here are the yearly sales numbers from Nielsen (in each column, the first number is the blu ray percentage and the second number is the HD DVD percentage. YTD is Year to Date and SI is Since Inception which is April 2006 when HD DVD first came out):

Day........Week......YTD...........SI
01/07..63.3/36.7...63.3/36.7...41.2/58.8
01/14..68.2/31.8...65.7/34.3...43.2/56.8
01/21..67.8/32.2...66.4/33.6...45.1/54.9
01/28..68.8/31.2...67.0/33.0...46.7/53.3
02/04..69.0/31.0...67.4/32.6...48.1/51.9
02/11..69.6/30.4...67.7/32.3...49.3/50.7
02/18..65.0/35.0...67.4/32.6...50.3/49.7
02/25..68.5/31.5...67.4/32.6...51.5/48.5
03/04..65.7/34.3...67.2/32.8...52.2/47.8
03/11..68.7/31.3...67.9/32.1...52.8/47.2
03/18..81.7/18.3...69.2/30.8...54.3/45.7
03/25.....n/a.........70.4/29.6...55.6/44.4
04/01.....n/a.........69.9/30.1...56.2/43.8
04/08..62.4/37.6...69.4/30.6...56.4/43.6
04/15....61/39.......69/31........57/43
04/22....52/48.......68/32........57/43
04/29....71/29.......68/32........58/42
05/06....60/40.......68/32........57/43
05/13....62/38.......68/32........57/43
05/20....58/42.......67/33........57/43
05/27....69/31.......67/33........58/42
06/03....61/39.......67/33........59/41
06/10....66/34.......67/33........59/41
06/17....64/36.......67/33........59/41
06/24....70/30.......67/33........59/41
07/01....65/35.......67/33........60/40
07/08....66/34.......67/33........60/40

 

[dwell]

Made a quick chart of the SI data. My the tables have turned!

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/bbzzdd/sales.jpg

 

[spacejamz]

Originally posted by: Chris
Made a quick chart of the SI data. My the tables have turned!

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/bbzzdd/sales.jpg

a few more graphs...

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Having jumped on the Amazon PS3 deal, I began adding BR movies to my queue for BB Total Access, only to discover most are long to very long waits. Seems the rental demand outstrips the supply@the moment. BB needs to either order more copies of movies to meet demand, or I'm going to have to trial Net Flicks and see if their selection is more available. Any Net Flicks members have feedback about BR availability they can share?

 

[Yreka]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Having jumped on the Amazon PS3 deal, I began adding BR movies to my queue for BB Total Access, only to discover most are long to very long waits. Seems the rental demand outstrips the supply@the moment. BB needs to either order more copies of movies to meet demand, or I'm going to have to trial Net Flicks and see if their selection is more available. Any Net Flicks members have feedback about BR availability they can share?

I have never had a long wait for BD at netflix, right now I have 11 in q and 10 are ready to ship. The only one I am waiting on is the 300 because it's not out yet.

 

[Schadenfroh]

HDDVD has 74% marketshare in Europe

The majority market share held by HD DVD is only according to standalone player sales, which do not account for PlayStation 3 consoles

I wonder how much it would hold if they factored in the PS3?

 

[dwell]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
HDDVD has 74% marketshare in Europe

The majority market share held by HD DVD is only according to standalone player sales, which do not account for PlayStation 3 consoles

I wonder how much it would hold if they factored in the PS3?

Toshiba is a bastard when it comes to counting the PS3. For hardware sales, they exclude it to make it seem like HD-DVD stand-alone units are outselling Blu-Ray, but for software attach rates they include it to make Blu-Ray's attach rate seem much less than it is.

 

[tfinch2]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: yukichigai
Of course, keep in mind that HD DVD is backed by Microsoft; if anybody's going to pull a power play out of their ass, I'd bet on the side backed by the Evil Empire.

BluRay is backed by:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc_Association

* Apple Inc.
* Buena Vista Home Entertainment
* Dell
* Hewlett Packard
* Hitachi
* LG Electronics
* Mitsubishi Electric
* Panasonic (Matsushita Electric)
* Pioneer Corporation
* Royal Philips Electronics
* Samsung Electronics
* Sharp Corporation
* Sony Corporation
* Sun Microsystems
* TDK Corporation
* Thomson
* Twentieth Century Fox
* Walt Disney Motion Pictures Group
* Warner Home Video Inc.

You could have a million company alliance, but it comes down to who gets the first good sub-$100 dollar player on the market that everyone can afford. Sales figures are a moot point at this stage because DVD is beating both of them like a drum. Do you know why? Because everyone can afford DVD. JoeBlow Teenager can go out and buy a $30 dollar DVD player with the money he made cutting grass.

If HD-DVD sold millions of $75 dollar players in a few weeks, I guarantee the alliance would be broken, and visa-versa for BluRay.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Yreka


I have never had a long wait for BD at netflix, right now I have 11 in q and 10 are ready to ship. The only one I am waiting on is the 300 because it's not out yet.

I think it is time to switch services. Thanks for the feedback. :beer:

 

[Schadenfroh]

Blu-Ray embraces pornography

 

[Modelworks]

The nail in the coffin of hd-dvd is that sony owns several major movie companies.
By making the movies exclusive to blu-ray they are killing hd-dvd.

 

[spacejamz]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
The nail in the coffin of hd-dvd is that sony owns several major movie companies.
By making the movies exclusive to blu-ray they are killing hd-dvd.

are you referring to the studios that produce their titles exclusively on blu ray (Disney, 20 Century Fox, Lionsgate and Sony Pictures) or the studios owned by Sony (Columbia, MGM and United Artists)???

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
The nail in the coffin of hd-dvd is that sony owns several major movie companies.
By making the movies exclusive to blu-ray they are killing hd-dvd.

There is no significant difference in the amount of movies released on both formats.

http://www.dvdempire.com/Conte...&userid=99365872888873

Ironically, HD-DVD is beating BR right now on dvd empire. You see that there are 29 studios that support HD-DVD to BRs 26. There are 283 HD-DVD movies compared to BRs 290. There are 119 pre-releases compared to BR 97.

Yes, there are more major studios who are exclusively BR, but the two biggest, Fox and Disney, haven't released really any catalog titles into BR. They keep pushing them off claiming BD+ will fix that, yet even a full month after BD+, nobody has released anything of any major incremental value.

 

[Modelworks]

Its not the amount of movies that matter.
Its what movies are released.

When I talk to friends they don't say oh look theres more movies on hddvd.
Instead they say "I really wanted to get that movie, but its blu-ray only"

Thats the thing sony has going for it by controlling the studios they own.


Compare it if you want to console games.
People don't talk about I want that console because its got more games, but rather I want that console because of this game or that game.

If sony can keep the most popular titles on bluray people will flock to it.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
Its not the amount of movies that matter.
Its what movies are released.

When I talk to friends they don't say oh look theres more movies on hddvd.
Instead they say "I really wanted to get that movie, but its blu-ray only"

Thats the thing sony has going for it by controlling the studios they own.


Compare it if you want to console games.
People don't talk about I want that console because its got more games, but rather I want that console because of this game or that game.

If sony can keep the most popular titles on bluray people will flock to it.

There are good titles on each side fo the fence. A lot of people prefer Universal titles to Sony titles. A lot of people rag on each side's titles also, since some are complete gutter trash. That's personal preference and neither side has an obvious advantage.

Even those companies which are neutral can release better titles in one format or more full-featured ones. You only have to go as far as The Matrix trilogy or 300 to see that.

 

[spacejamz]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
Its not the amount of movies that matter.
Its what movies are released.

When I talk to friends they don't say oh look theres more movies on hddvd.
Instead they say "I really wanted to get that movie, but its blu-ray only"

Thats the thing sony has going for it by controlling the studios they own.


Compare it if you want to console games.
People don't talk about I want that console because its got more games, but rather I want that console because of this game or that game.

If sony can keep the most popular titles on bluray people will flock to it.

People have been flocking to it to the tune of 2:1 in disk sales all year long...

Sony is not controlling these studios...they have exclusive agreements with Fox, Disney, Lionsgate as well their own studios (Columbia, MGM and United Artists) to produce their movies on blu ray disc only...

Only one studio is exclusive to HD DVD and that is Universal...Weinstein is a smaller studio that currently only produces HD DVD disks as well..

for 2007, Universal's big movies were Evan Almighty, Knocked Up, Borne Ultimatium and Chuck and Larry...those should do well in disk salfes for HD DVD but they will pale in comparison to the blu ray exclusives of Spiderman3, Pirates of the Carribean 3, Ratitouille, Die Hard 4 and the Simpsons...

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: spacejamz

Originally posted by: Modelworks
Its not the amount of movies that matter.
Its what movies are released.

When I talk to friends they don't say oh look theres more movies on hddvd.
Instead they say "I really wanted to get that movie, but its blu-ray only"

Thats the thing sony has going for it by controlling the studios they own.


Compare it if you want to console games.
People don't talk about I want that console because its got more games, but rather I want that console because of this game or that game.

If sony can keep the most popular titles on bluray people will flock to it.

People have been flocking to it to the tune of 2:1 in disk sales all year long...

Sony is not controlling these studios...they have exclusive agreements with Fox, Disney, Lionsgate as well their own studios (Columbia, MGM and United Artists) to produce their movies on blu ray disc only...

Only one studio is exclusive to HD DVD and that is Universal...Weinstein is a smaller studio that currently only produces HD DVD disks as well..

for 2007, Universal's big movies were Evan Almighty, Knocked Up, Borne Ultimatium and Chuck and Larry...those should do well in disk salfes for HD DVD but they will pale in comparison to the blu ray exclusives of Spiderman3, Pirates of the Carribean 3, Ratitouille, Die Hard 4 and the Simpsons...

The 2:1 ratio tells me nothing. What matters is how much people are using the item the purchased to actually buy discs. If Sony sold 1bn PS3s and BD players but sold 100,000 discs while Toshiba sold 1m players and 66,000 discs, you're 2:1 ratio doesn't make any financial sense.

That's the situation we are in, sure, you can flood the market with players but if people aren't buying the one item that *MAKES* money, discs, to compensate for the loss you take to every player, you're going to lose in the long run.

 

[cubby1223]

Looks like another studio's turning Blu, guess which one?

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showp...=153360&postcount=1677

Yeah it's rumor, but it's rumor from a reliable source.

 

[spacejamz]

Oh yeah!!!

The week of Oct 30th is gonna be a very bad week for HD DVD...

Posted August 3, 2007 by Josh

Scott Hettrick (HiHD) has revealed the specs for the upcoming two-disc Blu-ray release of 'Spider-man 3', as well as some additional info about the upcoming 'Spider-man High Definition Trilogy'. 'Spider-man 3' will feature all the extras from the 2-disc DVD release, and both 'Spider-man' and 'Spider-man 2' will be single disc releases, with the SM2 featuring both versions of the film via seamless branching. Both the 'Spider-man 3' and the Spider-man box set will be available October 30th.

 

[spacejamz]

New Nielsen Numbers for the Week Ending 07/29/07 are out...

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Blu ray won 66% to 34%, keeping the streak alive that blu ray has beaten HD DVD every week this year...

For the week, HD DVD had Bourne Identity which was the best selling high def disk this week while the only exclusive release for blu ray was Weed Season 2.

If HD DVD cannot even come close with blockbuster title like Bourne against Weeds Season 2, they truly have no hope of ever catching up to blu ray...

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I may be way off, but I think HD-DVD would survive as a second place finisher. I keep reading HD-DVD is cheaper to manufacture, so I concluded that if enough HD-DVD players are sold, even if studios primarily go BR, they will turn out most flicks in HD-DVD as well. Just without all the hoopla/advertsing ect. BR will get. Heck, didn't Japan have enough laser disc players, that movies were actually released on that media there years after it went belly up here? Ebay actually has a few newer films on LD FWIW.

If walmart does turn up the rumored *still alive or refuted conclusively?* millions of inexpensive HD-DVD players come the holiday season, I think the format will survive for certain. It doesn't have to dominate, just be profitable enough to warrant encoding and distributing content in the format. Again, I may be completely off me nut.

 

[LegendKiller]

Whelp, all of the bluboys said Spielberg was going BR exclusive. Sorry suckas!


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=884063

 

[dwell]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Whelp, all of the bluboys said Spielberg was going BR exclusive. Sorry suckas!


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=884063

Am I missing something? Spielberg directed one episode of this film. Feel free to come back and troll when ET or Raiders goes red.