Still, his work. People are running around claiming a victory with CE3K saying that he's BR only. Sorry, he isn't.
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still blinded by the HD DVD rose colored glasses...why dont you go back and re-read those articles and then provide a link to claim of Spielber being blu ray only...
all of them state that Speilberg chose blu ray as the format for his first high definition movie...When the HD DVD Promotions Group made a claim earlier this year about releasing some of his work on HD DVD, they quickly retracted this statement and apolgized to Spielberg and Universal.
Straight from the horse's mouth:
The inclusion in the January 29 update of our "Coming Soon List" of three Steven Spielberg classics was an error on our part. The HD DVD Promotion Group expresses sincere apologies to Steven Spielberg, Universal Studios Home Entertainment and HD DVD fans for this mistake. We will endeavor to prevent any similar mistake and to provide accurate information.
Wonder why they did this??? Has blu ray had to issue an apology to any other producer for retracting the release date of blu ray title??? (Hint: the answer is no).
In any event, this a Warner Brother picture anyway and will be released on both formats in October...
Keep reaching there...
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I'm always fascinated by how many different POVs there are on any given subject, e.g. I've seen some BR supporters dismiss or even bash, that 300 on HD-DVD has the DVD version on the other side, and that it was a whole $5 more :rolleyes;. WTF m8? How can that be anything but a positive? I'd very much like being able to watch it on my notebook, Xbox, PC, or stand alone upscan player like that for an extra $5, when the Mrs. and/or son, is on the HDTV, instead of having to drag the PS3 to the master bedroom to watch my Blu-Ray copy.
Except CE3K was a proper Spielberg production and TZ is just something he contributed to. You don't have a leg to stand on until Jaws, CE3K, Raiders, ET, Jurassic Park, etc. appears on HD-DVD.
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the reason that is being spun for blu ray is because of the claim the HD DVD is cheaper.
All of the HD DVD supporters claimed that production costs for HD DVD disks are signficantly cheaper than blu ray (which may have been true early in the format war, but not now), yet their disks are more expensive???
However, when the studios force you to pay extra for a disk because of this combo feature, the natural reaction from the blu ray camp is to ask 'I thought HD DVD is supposed to be cheaper'...
Additionally, these combo disks are the ones that have been causing the most playback problems for HD DVD owners...the Kingodom of Men disk was notorious for having playback problems...some of these disk owners had to boil their disks in hot water to get them to play...
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WTH is kingdom of men. I've never heard of it. If you meant Kingdom of Heaven, well, I'd do worse than boil it in water!
Again, it is that kind of POV that just makes me strike "the thinker" pose. So $5 extra for the DVD version being included is "forcing it on them"? I gues I can understand that, if I was looking for something inconsequential to bitch about. With what we all paid for HDTVs and players, we aren't really the crowd to be complaining about $5, are we? It is just talking points from the propaganda disseminaters for a particular "camp" IMO. What other dual format films, particularly popular ones, has playback issues? and are these reports purely individuals posting their anecdotal evidence to message boards? Definitely the media at fault, and not the player? definitive evidence is difficult to provide for such things, and that is where the propaganda starts getting the big spin. I'm not defending any format, or trying to incite hotile/aggressive reactions by other posters. But I just don't readily accept anything overly negative *or overly positive* said about either, because so many seem to have a vested interest in promoting one over the other. Having observed the nvidia v. ATI wars for years, and finally seeing proof positive at least one was using compensated viral marketers, as I and many others had already surmised, I suspect any/all information that is heavily weighted to favor any one product over another.
"supposed to be cheaper" that is a typical talking point that can be spun by both sides, and doesn't seem like a practical point to debate, when discussing more expensive formats than DVD, which has a decided advantage over either in that area. What future costs will be, well that is all speculation, we are paying a premium for either now, so it just feels like an artifice, a talking point, not a substantial issue to my mind. I'm not saying I don't like options, and it would be better to be able to grab 300 on HD-DVD for less, without the dvd version included. However, with 3 different formats already, and the relatively low sales of either HD format compared to DVD, I certainly understand why they chose as they did.
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one of the main points that the HD DVD crowd stated at the beginning of the format war was disk production costs would be significantly cheaper for HD DVD...currently studios would not have to re-tool their facilities to produce HD DVD disks...supposed the media was cheaper as well...
Combining the lower HD DVD player costs with cheaper disk was suppposed to make HD DVD a better option.
Of course, when the combo disks come out, they are $5 on average higher than their blu ray counterparts...how would you feel if you were told at the beginning that the disks were cheaper and then you find out that they are not...
we know that the early adopters typically have more disposable income and they typically buy alot of movies (some of the posters at AVS and Highdef have over 100 movies for their chosen format)...even though that $5 doesn't make that much of a difference to them, it can add up fairly quickly...
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Originally posted by: spacejamz
one of the main points that the HD DVD crowd stated at the beginning of the format war was disk production costs would be significantly cheaper for HD DVD...currently studios would not have to re-tool their facilities to produce HD DVD disks...supposed the media was cheaper as well...
Combining the lower HD DVD player costs with cheaper disk was suppposed to make HD DVD a better option.
Of course, when the combo disks come out, they are $5 on average higher than their blu ray counterparts...how would you feel if you were told at the beginning that the disks were cheaper and then you find out that they are not... I wouldn't feel badly, because having the DVD content provides me with a very versatile range of ways to view the movie. I wish Blu-Ray could offer that, I'd pay $5 for the DVD of 300 to have been included on my disc
we know that the early adopters typically have more disposable income and they typically buy alot of movies (some of the posters at AVS and Highdef have over 100 movies for their chosen format)...even though that $5 doesn't make that much of a difference to them, it can add up fairly quickly...Agreed. That is why I do think it would have been nice to give HD-DVD owners the option of getting their films for less without the DVD content. Options are good. However, I do think that it is equitable for what is provided. Again, I'd have to pay more than $10 extra for the DVD of 300, and have seperate copies, in order to watch the film anywhere but my PS3. The feature is actually attractive to me as a consumer, I'm eyeing the 360 HD-DVD add-on I like it so much.
Nielson is in for the week. HD-DVD again got murdered 62-38 with HD-DVD having two heavy exclusives (Shaun of the Dead and Hot Fuzz). The Blu-Ray version of 300 outsold the HD-DVD version 2:1 (164k vs 86) despite all the additional features on the HD-DVD disc.
If HD-DVD couldn't pull it off this week, what hope is there?
If HD-DVD couldn't pull it off this week, what hope is there?
HD-DVD, sell your name to Blu-Ray while you can make some money off of it.
All your bases are belong to Blu-Ray.
All your bases are belong to Blu-Ray.
If you count PS3s as blu ray players then Blu Ray has a several million unit head start. 62-38 isnt that bad, looks better than the previous week of 66-34 no?
At one point a few months back it was into the 70s vs 20s for blue ray vs HD-DVD.
Why people want to declare a winner now is beyond me. This war is just starting.
Why people think they have a vested interest in the outcome of said war is also beyond me.
Personally neither interests me much atm. Ill take HD on demand over this any day of the week.
Of all those claiming a win for Bluray already, how many own a player? Also, is it a standalone or PS3?
For the record, I just bought an HD-A2. Man it's awesome. I am very happy, and can't wait to get Planet Earth tomorrow.
For the record, I just bought an HD-A2. Man it's awesome. I am very happy, and can't wait to get Planet Earth tomorrow.
Yeah, that's why Universal just restated its commitment from its top dog, Denon and Onkyo showed their new players, WB is telling other studios that they should go neutral, Toshiba just announced 3 new players with another one the way, and Amazon is going to feature the 3rd gen players as their top holiday pick. Ohh, and the rumors of a >$199 player have been confirmed.
Yeah, the "war" is over already. Doofs.
That ratio is pretty good. Many bluboys were saying it was going to be a lot more PS3 skewed since 300 was said to be a "gamer" movie. Whatever, that ratio is pretty good and the overall week was pretty good also. With HDDVD outselling the BR SAL players, almost 2:1, I have no problems.
The longer this "war" goes on the more HD DVD players are out there, the more revenue that the other studios miss, the more they'll think about going neutral.
Yeah, the "war" is over already. Doofs.
That ratio is pretty good. Many bluboys were saying it was going to be a lot more PS3 skewed since 300 was said to be a "gamer" movie. Whatever, that ratio is pretty good and the overall week was pretty good also. With HDDVD outselling the BR SAL players, almost 2:1, I have no problems.
The longer this "war" goes on the more HD DVD players are out there, the more revenue that the other studios miss, the more they'll think about going neutral.
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I still believe that HD DVD can make up lost ground very easily. The truth is that HD DVD players will be price reduced much quicker than the PS3 can.
I don't care either way. I'm sure if Blu Ray wins I will be able to pick up a boatload of cheap HD DVDs for my 360 HD DVD add on
Personally I think this one's going to stay dual format.
I don't care either way. I'm sure if Blu Ray wins I will be able to pick up a boatload of cheap HD DVDs for my 360 HD DVD add on
Personally I think this one's going to stay dual format.
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That is how I see it too. Both will have a large enough install base to warrant supporting both formats, and/or cheap "all-in-1" players will come along. Again, options are good, and we will be able to pick which format of the movie to buy, based upon personal criteria i.e. which has the additional features, price, audio quality, ect. that we want.
LG already makes one, and Samsung has a combo unit coming out soon. The bad thing about them is they cost more than buying a HD DVD and a Blu-ray player separate.
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Onkyo to make HD-DVD Players:
http://www.dailytech.com/Onkyo...HD+DVD/article8424.htm
300 BluRay edition Outselling HD-DVD edition
http://www.dailytech.com/Onkyo...HD+DVD/article8424.htm
300 BluRay edition Outselling HD-DVD edition
Exactly my point, it doesn't matter.
And those low-end 1080p sets won't show much of a difference between 1080i and 1080p, especially since they'll be smaller and lower quality in display. Considering you need a 50" tv at less than 7' to tell a difference, I am sure it doesn't matter for them. Additionally, with a lower end tv they aren't out for the top-end quality, thus they'll not be looking for the best of the best.
I wouldn't hold my breath about Samsung and LG switching, they are still in the DVD consortium. The 199 player doesn't have to be sold in WM does it?
In fact I own 2 HD-A2 players. One isn't hooked up right now, but the other is. I can take a pic of my setup if you need proof.
What's funny is that you blutards need to run into every HD DVD thread and spew crap, then when somebody tells you it's not appropriate and what you say is wrong, you call them a fanboy.
Great tactic, spew crap, get called on it, then spew more crap. Typical sonybot.
Ohhh gawd no. How will Onkyo compete with their 1,700 DV-SP1000 DVD player compared to the $29.99 COBY DVD-224s!!!
THE HORRORS! DVD WILL FAIL! ONKYO WILL GO OUT OF BUSINESS!!!ARGHHHHGHGHGHHG
FFS, haven't you ever heard of market segmentation?
This proves nothing about whether Toshiba is making or losing money on hd dvd players. All it proves is that you're going to stoop to any level possible to try and make what you think is a good point, including ignoring all marketing and economics information.
People are already salivating for this player. Why? Because they're the same people who want the best of everything and pay for it.
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