Black Couple Only Shopping at Black-owned Businesses

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: daishi5

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: daishi5

I am white, IF I believe that white people are at a disadvantage because of affirmative action, is it ok for me to only purchase from white owned stores, or would I be racist?

I believe the couple in question are making racist decisions. They are making a decision completely based on the color of skin that is to the detriment of another group of people based on the color of their skin. However, it is a minor form of racism that has no real bad effect like other forms we have seen in our countries past.

If you believe that whites are disadvantaged in society, then you are a fool.

Ok, so we have established that it is ok for a black to do it because, but not for a white. The reason being the different situations that the two races are in.

If: Subject A believes group 1, that subject A is a part of, is disadvantaged, is he allowed to avoid transactions with group 2? Which leads to a strange problem for me, I can stick white male in for subject A, and it is not ok, but I can insert a black male for subject A, and it is ok.

Being a white male myself, I find it impossible to understand the point of view of a group that is discriminated against, however I believe that whether or not an act is racist depends on the beliefs and motivations of the person committing the act. If a white man does the exact same thing as a black man, for the exact same reasons, and with the exact same belief, even if that belief is misguided and foolish, that both men should be judged by the same standards. Just because in reality black people face a harder struggle does not mean that their actions are not racist, they may be more moral or justifiable, but they are just as racist.

I agree with the bolded text, but I don't think that there are many whites who honestly feel disadvantaged because of their race. There are tons who resent Affirmative Action, but I don't think many could honestly say, "Were I black, my life would be easier."

I think to judge couple's lifestyle, we must answer this question: If one racial group is disadvantaged, is it racist to specifically help the disadvantaged group?

If social justice is the goal, then that seems like a better plan than the alternative idea, that if you treat everyone equal they'll become equal. I don't think that does anything to help struggling communities.

 

[sapiens74]

In Hawaii we don't have to worry about white or black

We shop Japanese or Chinese

 

[Starbuck1975]

You tell me the plausible, typical motive for white shoppers who choose to have a policy to shop only at white-owned shops, then. You really need to learn how to make an argument.

White people are not some hive mind entity of racists...we also splinter along various ethnic and cultural lines...I know plenty of European cultures, not part of the early 20th century wave of immigrants from Europe, that give their business to people of their own culture...eastern and southern European cultures particularly.

They are technically "white", but are from cultures that did not have a sizeable footprint in America during the era of slavery, or even segregation for that matter.

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

You tell me the plausible, typical motive for white shoppers who choose to have a policy to shop only at white-owned shops, then. You really need to learn how to make an argument.

White people are not some hive mind entity of racists...we also splinter along various ethnic and cultural lines...I know plenty of European cultures, not part of the early 20th century wave of immigrants from Europe, that give their business to people of their own culture...eastern and southern European cultures particularly.

They are technically "white", but are from cultures that did not have a sizeable footprint in America during the era of slavery, or even segregation for that matter.

I'm pretty sure craig isn't against Italian Americans shopping at Italian American-owned businesses, or any other cultural or national groups. They, and the black couple, are practicing affirmative action, in the literal sense. Craig is thinking of white Americans (who do not consider themselves members of other groups) shopping at white American stores, to support the white American community. Well, the white American community is the vast majority of America, and it doesn't need support. Thus, he assumes white Americans who decide to only buy from white American-owned businesses are doing it as an act of exclusion. This is further supported by the reality of the world. To only patronize black-owned businesses, the couple had to go to great lengths. A white couple who wanted to do the same would have to change a couple companies, maybe none.

 

[SP33Demon]

More self pity "woe is me I'm/we're black/my life is tougher b/c I'm black" by the OP, sad. I'm sure Obama would agree as well as the 43% of our population who aren't black who voted for him, /snicker.

Funny how you couldn't respond to my post because the truth hurts: basing purchases strictly based off skin color is racist. Oh, and I'm waiting for statistics that prove black owned businesses are doing the worst, and by how much compared to other minorities. I bet it's <5%, but hell it's a good opportunity to play your violin so why not create a thread about it?

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: n yusef

I think to judge couple's lifestyle, we must answer this question: If one racial group is disadvantaged, is it racist to specifically help the disadvantaged group?

When you take it to the extreme of doing business ONLY with your same race and then promote the idea to others, then yes, it is racist.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: n yusef

I think to judge couple's lifestyle, we must answer this question: If one racial group is disadvantaged, is it racist to specifically help the disadvantaged group?

When you take it to the extreme of doing business ONLY with your same race and then promote the idea to others, then yes, it is racist.

Yes, I see it's macro time for those who can't read too well.

Whether it's racist, IMO, is affected by accounting for economic disparity between whites and blacks.

If whites only shop at white places, it's likely because of a hate for blacks. If blacks only shop at black places, it might be hate and racist - or might be because of inequities.

If it's the latter, it's not racist, IMO - it's actually responding to, correcting, the racism of the past that created inequity...

Racist doesn't mean 'based on race'. It refers to the animosity, the disrespect, for a race as the motive.

You can be racist and not take any action at all.

Taking action based on race is not necessarily racist.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
More self pity "woe is me I'm/we're black/my life is tougher b/c I'm black" by the OP, sad. I'm sure Obama would agree as well as the 43% of our population who aren't black who voted for him, /snicker.

Funny how you couldn't respond to my post because the truth hurts: basing purchases strictly based off skin color is racist. Oh, and I'm waiting for statistics that prove black owned businesses are doing the worst, and by how much compared to other minorities. I bet it's <5%, but hell it's a good opportunity to play your violin so why not create a thread about it?

Yes, I see it's macro time for those who can't read too well.

Whether it's racist, IMO, is affected by accounting for economic disparity between whites and blacks.

If whites only shop at white places, it's likely because of a hate for blacks. If blacks only shop at black places, it might be hate and racist - or might be because of inequities.

If it's the latter, it's not racist, IMO - it's actually responding to, correcting, the racism of the past that created inequity...

Racist doesn't mean 'based on race'. It refers to the animosity, the disrespect, for a race as the motive.

You can be racist and not take any action at all.

Taking action based on race is not necessarily racist.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

You tell me the plausible, typical motive for white shoppers who choose to have a policy to shop only at white-owned shops, then. You really need to learn how to make an argument.

White people are not some hive mind entity of racists...we also splinter along various ethnic and cultural lines...I know plenty of European cultures, not part of the early 20th century wave of immigrants from Europe, that give their business to people of their own culture...eastern and southern European cultures particularly.

They are technically "white", but are from cultures that did not have a sizeable footprint in America during the era of slavery, or even segregation for that matter.

You did not answer the question by creating some manufactured niche situation. Clearly, the context of my statement is average white American in average, diverse American city.

So I'll repeat it:

You tell me the plausible, typical motive for (typical) white shoppers to have a policy to shop only at white - not specific ethnicities of white, but white - shops, then.

 

[gingermeggs]

It's racial preference, everybody has a natural preference to their own "breed/tribe", if that wasn't the case we would all speak the same lingo.

In the end those who mix it up get a leg up on the rest and their stagnate gene pools.
look at tiger woods or obama!

 

[cultgag]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: n yusef
Don't many of you say that blacks need to "pull themselves up from their bootstraps?" Don't you say that it's up to blacks to help the black community? If you think about it, this couple is just being protectionist. I prefer to buy goods made in the US than those made overseas, and I bet many of you do as well. If any of you live in an ethnic neighborhood, I bet you prefer to shop at a local store run by a member of the community than a shop ran by an outsider, or a large chain. The couple is practicing affirmative action (I know many consider that racist and discriminatory), not negative action. They aren't threatening white-, Asian-, Hispanic- or whatever-owned businesses. Let me repeat: I have nothing wrong with whites only shopping at white-owned businesses. Millions already do.

I think many of you don't get the idea of supporting your community, because your community doesn't need supporting. I can't say that I'll only shop at black-owned businesses (the couple is obviously making a political statement), but when I see one I like to go to it. I'm also half-Jewish, so I try to go to Jewish-owned places as well.

And the couple is 100% racist because they're discriminating their purchases purely based on the color of someone's skin.

Answer these questions please:

1) What if a store owner is only half/third/quarter/tenth black? At what "skin tone" do you draw the line? Should shop owners carry around a family tree or DNA sample so these morans will want to shop there?
2) What if their heritage is black but they appear white and go to a black Church?
3) What if a shop owner is actually white, goes to a black Church, and donates to black charities?
4) What about an interracial couple and the white spouse is running the business?

You say "many of you don't get the idea of supporting your community", and I say how about freaking supporting your country and leaving the racially motivated divisive BS at home? You act like a fcking community is an island, newsflash: it's not. 98.564% of businesses are hurting in this recession, take the blinders off already and help each other out for fck's sake.

If someone identifies as black, I go with that. I'm only half-black myself, but I'm treated no better than if I were all black. In fact, most people with both black parents have some European blood in them. Black is more than ancestry, it's culture.

Many people identify with groups smaller than the country. I bet you don't complain about (white) people who have a greater allegiance to their state than the US. Or wealthy liberals who buy all their produce from local farms. Blacks and many other minority groups identify with their community more than their country because our country isn't all that accepting. People of color are often invisible. Have you noticed that TV shows and movies that take place in New York City often contain no PoC? Or shows with many PoC actors have white leads?

BTW, Blacks were hit the hardest in this recession. Text

So, is this a black and white thing only?

Anywho, let's go with argument on helping your "community." Let's say a white person of the same community with no advantages except that the person is white, for your argument sake, opens a store next to a black person's store. You're saying if the majority of the community is black, it's right to shop only at the black person's store because s/he is black? That doesn't sound racist to you?

You speak as if communities are divided by color but it's not. There might be a majority of color be it white, black, yellow, brown or whatever, there will always be a "minority" in the community as well. Who will help them?

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
More self pity "woe is me I'm/we're black/my life is tougher b/c I'm black" by the OP, sad. I'm sure Obama would agree as well as the 43% of our population who aren't black who voted for him, /snicker.

Funny how you couldn't respond to my post because the truth hurts: basing purchases strictly based off skin color is racist. Oh, and I'm waiting for statistics that prove black owned businesses are doing the worst, and by how much compared to other minorities. I bet it's <5%, but hell it's a good opportunity to play your violin so why not create a thread about it?

Yes, I see it's macro time for those who can't read too well.

Whether it's racist, IMO, is affected by accounting for economic disparity between whites and blacks.

If whites only shop at white places, it's likely because of a hate for blacks. If blacks only shop at black places, it might be hate and racist - or might be because of inequities.

If it's the latter, it's not racist, IMO - it's actually responding to, correcting, the racism of the past that created inequity...

Racist doesn't mean 'based on race'. It refers to the animosity, the disrespect, for a race as the motive.

You can be racist and not take any action at all.

Taking action based on race is not necessarily racist.

1) Enroll in an EASL class, get yourself a dictionary, and learn what the actual definition of racist is. It's not only what you think it means.

2) Look like an idiot by telling us that strictly basing purchases off skin color is a good idea and not destructive to our country, especially in a recession when we should be helping everyone and not one race out.

3) Tell us that an black inequity still exists after 43% of non blacks in this country voted for a black to be the most powerful man in the world and watch everyone laugh.

4) Provide statistics that black businesses are in fact hurt the most by the recession, and by how much (something the OP epically failed to do). Facts speak louder than your words.

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
More self pity "woe is me I'm/we're black/my life is tougher b/c I'm black" by the OP, sad. I'm sure Obama would agree as well as the 43% of our population who aren't black who voted for him, /snicker.

Funny how you couldn't respond to my post because the truth hurts: basing purchases strictly based off skin color is racist. Oh, and I'm waiting for statistics that prove black owned businesses are doing the worst, and by how much compared to other minorities. I bet it's <5%, but hell it's a good opportunity to play your violin so why not create a thread about it?

Yes, I see it's macro time for those who can't read too well.

Whether it's racist, IMO, is affected by accounting for economic disparity between whites and blacks.

If whites only shop at white places, it's likely because of a hate for blacks. If blacks only shop at black places, it might be hate and racist - or might be because of inequities.

If it's the latter, it's not racist, IMO - it's actually responding to, correcting, the racism of the past that created inequity...

Racist doesn't mean 'based on race'. It refers to the animosity, the disrespect, for a race as the motive.

You can be racist and not take any action at all.

Taking action based on race is not necessarily racist.

1) Enroll in an EASL class, get yourself a dictionary, and learn what the actual definition of racist is. It's not only what you think it means.

2) Look like an idiot by telling us that strictly basing purchases off skin color is a good idea and not destructive to our country, especially in a recession when we should be helping everyone and not one race out.

3) Tell us that an black inequity still exists after 43% of non blacks in this country voted for a black to be the most powerful man in the world and watch everyone laugh.

4) Provide statistics that black businesses are in fact hurt the most by the recession, and by how much (something the OP epically failed to do). Facts speak louder than your words.

I am by no means required to educate you. The tone of your posts is rude, and you ignored or couldn't understand the one post I did write to you.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
More self pity "woe is me I'm/we're black/my life is tougher b/c I'm black" by the OP, sad. I'm sure Obama would agree as well as the 43% of our population who aren't black who voted for him, /snicker.

Funny how you couldn't respond to my post because the truth hurts: basing purchases strictly based off skin color is racist. Oh, and I'm waiting for statistics that prove black owned businesses are doing the worst, and by how much compared to other minorities. I bet it's <5%, but hell it's a good opportunity to play your violin so why not create a thread about it?

Yes, I see it's macro time for those who can't read too well.

Whether it's racist, IMO, is affected by accounting for economic disparity between whites and blacks.

If whites only shop at white places, it's likely because of a hate for blacks. If blacks only shop at black places, it might be hate and racist - or might be because of inequities.

If it's the latter, it's not racist, IMO - it's actually responding to, correcting, the racism of the past that created inequity...

Racist doesn't mean 'based on race'. It refers to the animosity, the disrespect, for a race as the motive.

You can be racist and not take any action at all.

Taking action based on race is not necessarily racist.

1) Enroll in an EASL class, get yourself a dictionary, and learn what the actual definition of racist is. It's not only what you think it means.

2) Look like an idiot by telling us that strictly basing purchases off skin color is a good idea and not destructive to our country, especially in a recession when we should be helping everyone and not one race out.

3) Tell us that an black inequity still exists after 43% of non blacks in this country voted for a black to be the most powerful man in the world and watch everyone laugh.

4) Provide statistics that black businesses are in fact hurt the most by the recession, and by how much (something the OP epically failed to do). Facts speak louder than your words.

I am by no means required to educate you. The tone of your posts is rude, and you ignored or couldn't understand the one post I did write to you.

Of course you think it's rude, most people who are told the TRUTH and can't accept it will have that natural reaction. Man up and face the facts. I didn't ignore anything in your post, scroll up.

First: you linked to a website about the unemployment of black men rising. Why aren't they including black women and averaging them as a whole? Maybe b/c they wouldn't have a story then. Link to something relevant, like black businesses (only the topic of this thread) please. Either way most businesses are product driven, of course there will be a small % of racists but it's insignificant. Maybe if black businesses are the worst off, they need to improve their products and stop pulling the race card and pitying themselves.

TV shows in NYC? Nice strawman argument, I can do the same and use ER (you know, the second longest running TV drama ever) that's based in Chicago that has more than a few PoC. Or other popular shows like The Office, Scrubs, Family Guy, Simpsons, so on and so forth that do have PoC.

Third, how is our country not accepting of blacks? Over half the country (56%) voted in a black president when blacks only comprise 13% of the population. 404 argument not found.

Last, you failed to refute my point that people can claim "black culture" and not be black. I'd love to hear what the racist shoppers from the video qualify someone as being a part of "black culture" or "black enough to buy from". I listen to LL Cool J but I'm not black (but I am a minority), does that qualify me? Would they (racist black couple) buy from my store if I told them I loved Mama Said Knock You Out or Around the Way girl? One of my best friends was black growing up, does that make me "black cultured" enough for them to shop at my store? Do I have to hang a sign in my window that says "black friendly" so they know I'm ok to buy from? Do I have to go their church? It's a slippery slope that is subjective for everyone, just like the "Is Obama black enough" arguments by blacks that plagued the country during the election. It's one thing to feel more comfortable being a racist, but at least admit it. I would prefer that everyone evolve mentally but hey, evolution is slow, I'm a realist and can admit that there are some people out there who can't think critically and have to resort to the lowest common denomination: our skin color instead of our brain to make our decisions for us.

That was a long post in response to yours. Then again, I don't expect people with a baseless argument to counter my rational thoughts with logic.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: Deeko
Of course they're racially discriminating. The real question is, who the hell cares?

Exactly. Talk about a complete non-issue. :roll:

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
More self pity "woe is me I'm/we're black/my life is tougher b/c I'm black" by the OP, sad. I'm sure Obama would agree as well as the 43% of our population who aren't black who voted for him, /snicker.

Funny how you couldn't respond to my post because the truth hurts: basing purchases strictly based off skin color is racist. Oh, and I'm waiting for statistics that prove black owned businesses are doing the worst, and by how much compared to other minorities. I bet it's <5%, but hell it's a good opportunity to play your violin so why not create a thread about it?

Yes, I see it's macro time for those who can't read too well.

Whether it's racist, IMO, is affected by accounting for economic disparity between whites and blacks.

If whites only shop at white places, it's likely because of a hate for blacks. If blacks only shop at black places, it might be hate and racist - or might be because of inequities.

If it's the latter, it's not racist, IMO - it's actually responding to, correcting, the racism of the past that created inequity...

Racist doesn't mean 'based on race'. It refers to the animosity, the disrespect, for a race as the motive.

You can be racist and not take any action at all.

Taking action based on race is not necessarily racist.

1) Enroll in an EASL class, get yourself a dictionary, and learn what the actual definition of racist is. It's not only what you think it means.

You're an idiot. And welcome to page 1 or 2 of the thread where the issue of the different definitions of racist and why I picked this one as the relevant one were covered.

2) Look like an idiot by telling us that strictly basing purchases off skin color is a good idea and not destructive to our country, especially in a recession when we should be helping everyone and not one race out.

Look like an idiot with your lack of reading comprehension that I did not say anything about whether it's a good idea, but you say otherwise.

3) Tell us that an black inequity still exists after 43% of non blacks in this country voted for a black to be the most powerful man in the world and watch everyone laugh.

OK, black inequity still exists. We spent a century - even after slavery ended - of white families increasing their wealth and education from generation to generation while blacks did not get the same chances, and the effects of that did not magically get changed whenequal access became the law. See the facts of wealth distribution by race, of the concentration of poverty, the quality of education in school districts by race today.

4) Provide statistics that black businesses are in fact hurt the most by the recession, and by how much (something the OP epically failed to do). Facts speak louder than your words.

Reading comprehension again. I never saif that.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

It's racially based, but the commonly understood meaning of racist implies hate. Since the couple is doing it to support blacks who are typically not as well established as their white counterparts, this doesn't fall into that category. If the motivation had been because they hate whites, then it's racist in the common sense.

Consider, that it's entirely possible that there are white people who might wish to do business with minorities for the very same reason, and it would be rather silly to think that they were doing so because they were racist against themselves.

It's entirely a matter of intent.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: n yusef

I think to judge couple's lifestyle, we must answer this question: If one racial group is disadvantaged, is it racist to specifically help the disadvantaged group?

When you take it to the extreme of doing business ONLY with your same race and then promote the idea to others, then yes, it is racist.

Yes, I see it's macro time for those who can't read too well.

Whether it's racist, IMO, is affected by accounting for economic disparity between whites and blacks.

If whites only shop at white places, it's likely because of a hate for blacks. If blacks only shop at black places, it might be hate and racist - or might be because of inequities.

If it's the latter, it's not racist, IMO - it's actually responding to, correcting, the racism of the past that created inequity...

Racist doesn't mean 'based on race'. It refers to the animosity, the disrespect, for a race as the motive.

You can be racist and not take any action at all.

Taking action based on race is not necessarily racist.

On this issue, your whole logic process can be condensed into a macro. They are discriminating based on race, ergo it's racist. Is it the same as racism based only on hate? No, not even close, but it still is encouraging people to make decisions based on nothing but race.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Craig234
Reading comprehension again. I never saif that.

Let's cut through the semantical BS and answer the main question: Is basing purchases strictly on skin color ok? And if someone does it, is it racist because they're purchasing based off skin color?

I'm not saying that blacks aren't exactly even with whites, but the "woe is me" BS is getting old. The election proved my point and I guarantee you most in here would agree that pulling the race card is a weak, overplayed excuse for lack of ambition.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: n yusef

I think to judge couple's lifestyle, we must answer this question: If one racial group is disadvantaged, is it racist to specifically help the disadvantaged group?

When you take it to the extreme of doing business ONLY with your same race and then promote the idea to others, then yes, it is racist.

Yes, I see it's macro time for those who can't read too well.

Whether it's racist, IMO, is affected by accounting for economic disparity between whites and blacks.

If whites only shop at white places, it's likely because of a hate for blacks. If blacks only shop at black places, it might be hate and racist - or might be because of inequities.

If it's the latter, it's not racist, IMO - it's actually responding to, correcting, the racism of the past that created inequity...

Racist doesn't mean 'based on race'. It refers to the animosity, the disrespect, for a race as the motive.

You can be racist and not take any action at all.

Taking action based on race is not necessarily racist.

On this issue, your whole logic process can be condensed into a macro. They are discriminating based on race, ergo it's racist. Is it the same as racism based only on hate? No, not even close, but it still is encouraging people to make decisions based on nothing but race.

His definition is still valid but he is completely rejecting this definition even though it's in the dictionary. A common flaw among people who will only accept what they want to believe and reject all other arguments b/c they cannot be wrong.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows
On this issue, your whole logic process can be condensed into a macro. They are discriminating based on race, ergo it's racist. Is it the same as racism based only on hate? No, not even close, but it still is encouraging people to make decisions based on nothing but race.

You are not showing any comprehension of what's been posted. It's like water off a duck's back.

Since you aren't getting it, I'll make a much simpler point, just to see if there's any hope even for one bit of the point to get through.

Let's get literal with what you said:

"They are discriminating based on race, ergo it's racist."

So, if I approach people to learn about the heritage of people whose ancestors are from Africa, and I only ask black people the questions, I'm racist. I discriminated by race.

So, if I select an actor to play a black slave in a movie, and I only invite black actors to try out, I'm racist. I discriminated by race.

So, if there were some disease that only affects black people, and I only distribute medicine to blacks, I'm racist. I discriminated by race.

Oh, but, but, but, you sputter that's not what you meant? (Or maybe you did, even worse) Too bad, it's what you said.

If you can start to get the definition not being the simplistic one you use in terms of the context of the discussion of "is it racist" in the sense of the word that's condemned - the same sense of the word that refers to ssegregation as racist - then you are starting to get it, otherwise, I'm wasting my time.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: n yusef

I think to judge couple's lifestyle, we must answer this question: If one racial group is disadvantaged, is it racist to specifically help the disadvantaged group?

When you take it to the extreme of doing business ONLY with your same race and then promote the idea to others, then yes, it is racist.

Yes, I see it's macro time for those who can't read too well.

Whether it's racist, IMO, is affected by accounting for economic disparity between whites and blacks.

If whites only shop at white places, it's likely because of a hate for blacks. If blacks only shop at black places, it might be hate and racist - or might be because of inequities.

If it's the latter, it's not racist, IMO - it's actually responding to, correcting, the racism of the past that created inequity...

Racist doesn't mean 'based on race'. It refers to the animosity, the disrespect, for a race as the motive.

You can be racist and not take any action at all.

Taking action based on race is not necessarily racist.

On this issue, your whole logic process can be condensed into a macro. They are discriminating based on race, ergo it's racist. Is it the same as racism based only on hate? No, not even close, but it still is encouraging people to make decisions based on nothing but race.

His definition is still valid but he is completely rejecting this definition even though it's in the dictionary. A common flaw among people who will only accept what they want to believe and reject all other arguments b/c they cannot be wrong.

He's afraid of the word, but you are counting the angels dancing on the head of a pin.

Here is how it is. If you go in many inner cities, you are going to find it's an area of poverty relative to surrounding white communities. If you need statistics to get that, then find them.

I occasionally work in that setting, and I don't care for the "The Man owes me" attitude I sometimes hear. You know what though? Life sucks, and more for them economically. Hey, GO GET A FRIGGIN JOB!!

Oh wait, there aren't many businesses there, and those which are are run by blacks.

Let's see how this works.

There aren't jobs for blacks, so blacks don't have jobs unless in the black community blacks own businesses and put them to work. Black business close their doors if they don't have black customers, and blacks are unemployed again. So someone decides to support black businesses who employ black people so you don't have to fork out for their welfare checks.

And you have a problem with this?

Hey, if you want to call it racist, I'll play along. I'm racist, and I support this kind of racism.

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
And the couple is 100% racist because they're discriminating their purchases purely based on the color of someone's skin.

Answer these questions please:

1) What if a store owner is only half/third/quarter/tenth black? At what "skin tone" do you draw the line? Should shop owners carry around a family tree or DNA sample so these morans will want to shop there?
2) What if their heritage is black but they appear white and go to a black Church?
3) What if a shop owner is actually white, goes to a black Church, and donates to black charities?
4) What about an interracial couple and the white spouse is running the business?

You say "many of you don't get the idea of supporting your community", and I say how about freaking supporting your country and leaving the racially motivated divisive BS at home? You act like a fcking community is an island, newsflash: it's not. 98.564% of businesses are hurting in this recession, take the blinders off already and help each other out for fck's sake.

If someone identifies as black, I go with that. I'm only half-black myself, but I'm treated no better than if I were all black. In fact, most people with both black parents have some European blood in them. Black is more than ancestry, it's culture.

Many people identify with groups smaller than the country. I bet you don't complain about (white) people who have a greater allegiance to their state than the US. Or wealthy liberals who buy all their produce from local farms. Blacks and many other minority groups identify with their community more than their country because our country isn't all that accepting. People of color are often invisible. Have you noticed that TV shows and movies that take place in New York City often contain no PoC? Or shows with many PoC actors have white leads?

BTW, Blacks were hit the hardest in this recession. Text

First: you linked to a website about the unemployment of black men rising. Why aren't they including black women and averaging them as a whole? Maybe b/c they wouldn't have a story then. Link to something relevant, like black businesses (only the topic of this thread) please. Either way most businesses are product driven, of course there will be a small % of racists but it's insignificant. Maybe if black businesses are the worst off, they need to improve their products and stop pulling the race card and pitying themselves.
TV shows in NYC? Nice strawman argument, I can do the same and use ER (you know, the second longest running TV drama ever) that's based in Chicago that has more than a few PoC. Or other popular shows like The Office, Scrubs, Family Guy, Simpsons, so on and so forth that do have PoC.

Third, how is our country not accepting of blacks? Over half the country (56%) voted in a black president when blacks only comprise 13% of the population. 404 argument not found.

Last, you failed to refute my point that people can claim "black culture" and not be black. I'd love to hear what the racist shoppers from the video qualify someone as being a part of "black culture" or "black enough to buy from". I listen to LL Cool J but I'm not black (but I am a minority), does that qualify me? Would they (racist black couple) buy from my store if I told them I loved Mama Said Knock You Out or Around the Way girl? One of my best friends was black growing up, does that make me "black cultured" enough for them to shop at my store? Do I have to hang a sign in my window that says "black friendly" so they know I'm ok to buy from? Do I have to go their church? It's a slippery slope that is subjective for everyone, just like the "Is Obama black enough" arguments by blacks that plagued the country during the election. It's one thing to feel more comfortable being a racist, but at least admit it. I would prefer that everyone evolve mentally but hey, evolution is slow, I'm a realist and can admit that there are some people out there who can't think critically and have to resort to the lowest common denomination: our skin color to make our decisions for us.

Do you see what I bolded? I responded to your argument, but you ignored that.

Did you see what I italicized? You never responded to that argument, probably because you couldn't.

Do you see what I underlined? I specifically mentioned shows with many PoC on them almost always have white leads. You provided examples of that!

Honestly, I was offended by your assertion of blackness because you listen to LL Cool J. That you think of blackness in symbols, like hip-hop and church demonstrates your ignorance. I have no desire to educate you, and I won't respond to another of your posts.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: nobodyknows
On this issue, your whole logic process can be condensed into a macro. They are discriminating based on race, ergo it's racist. Is it the same as racism based only on hate? No, not even close, but it still is encouraging people to make decisions based on nothing but race.

You are not showing any comprehension of what's been posted. It's like water off a duck's back.

Since you aren't getting it, I'll make a much simpler point, just to see if there's any hope even for one bit of the point to get through.

Let's get literal with what you said:

"They are discriminating based on race, ergo it's racist."

So, if I approach people to learn about the heritage of people whose ancestors are from Africa, and I only ask black people the questions, I'm racist. I discriminated by race.

So, if I select an actor to play a black slave in a movie, and I only invite black actors to try out, I'm racist. I discriminated by race.

So, if there were some disease that only affects black people, and I only distribute medicine to blacks, I'm racist. I discriminated by race.

Oh, but, but, but, you sputter that's not what you meant? (Or maybe you did, even worse) Too bad, it's what you said.

If you can start to get the definition not being the simplistic one you use in terms of the context of the discussion of "is it racist" in the sense of the word that's condemned - the same sense of the word that refers to ssegregation as racist - then you are starting to get it, otherwise, I'm wasting my time.

Here's the problem, you frankly don't understand english. You clearly don't know that racist is not only a noun (what you are describing) but an adjective (what I'm describing). The peopel in the story ARE racist. Just like people can be "annoying" (another adjective btw), these blacks are racist. READ THE DICTIONARY AGAIN.

racist

adjective
1. based on racial intolerance; "racist remarks"
2. discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion

noun
1. a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others

Jesus, what school system are you a product of? I don't mean to be rude but this is ridiculous, have you gone all your life thinking that racist is only a noun? Shall I start teaching you the definition of other words as well?

While we're at it, respond to my other post and tell me that these people are not racist. Let's end this once and for all for fck's sake:

Let's cut through the semantical BS and answer the main question: Is basing purchases strictly on skin color ok? And if someone does it, is it racist because they're purchasing based off skin color?

I'm not saying that blacks aren't exactly even with whites, but the "woe is me" BS is getting old. The election proved my point and I guarantee you most in here would agree that pulling the race card is a weak, overplayed excuse for lack of ambition.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

He's afraid of the word, but you are counting the angels dancing on the head of a pin.

Here is how it is. If you go in many inner cities, you are going to find it's an area of poverty relative to surrounding white communities. If you need statistics to get that, then find them.

I occasionally work in that setting, and I don't care for the "The Man owes me" attitude I sometimes hear. You know what though? Life sucks, and more for them economically. Hey, GO GET A FRIGGIN JOB!!

Oh wait, there aren't many businesses there, and those which are are run by blacks.

Let's see how this works.

There aren't jobs for blacks, so blacks don't have jobs unless in the black community blacks own businesses and put them to work. Black business close their doors if they don't have black customers, and blacks are unemployed again. So someone decides to support black businesses who employ black people so you don't have to fork out for their welfare checks.

And you have a problem with this?

Hey, if you want to call it racist, I'll play along. I'm racist, and I support this kind of racism.

My response to that?

A) Get good grades in school
B) Get a good scholarship and loans if you need it for college
C) Succeed further than your parents' generation.

I did it, anyone can do it. My mother was a single mother (first gen Asian immigrant) of 3 kids and worked for pennies. To reiterate, the woe is me BS is getting old from blacks when a black president just proved anyone can do it from any race.

As far as blacks who are too old to go to/back to school, yes it's a shame but they do get help from the government. Hopefully they will instill/have instilled the right values in their kids so the next generation isn't impoverished. I've probably seen more poverty than you can shake a stick at. Do you know what it's like to live in the winter without electricity? No phone? Eating Pb&j and rice to get by? Selling drugs to pay rent? See, I can play the woe is me card as well but I like to think it made me resilient enough to succeed in life and get my sht together to actually appreciate what I have now.