What they are doing is both dumb and sad imo. If everyone did what these people are doing when my parents came to this country for the first time, there is no way they could have had a successful business and provided for my education.
JEDIYoda
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You are attempting to make a mountain out of a mohill.....Sure it is wrong to shop at store solely because you don`t want to support the black owned or asian owned store down the street.
But in the end people can shop wherever they feel the most comfortable.
What is there to discuss?? It`s true!
But in the end people can shop wherever they feel the most comfortable.
What is there to discuss?? It`s true!
I grew up in rural midwest which was nearly completely white. There were only a handful of Indians. My parents put food on the table b/c white people came to get medical care from my parents b/c of their skill level and not b/c of their melanin level. I will be honest; we did get bricks thrown through our window that had notes attached that said "Go home, this is our neighborhood" but most people welcomed us b/c they could see we were people just like them. If they all had the attitude this black couple had "We are not hurting these Indians, we are just helping other white people," my parents would not have made it.
The simple truth is that we are all one species with same origin point. There is far more than connects all of us than separates us. Indulging our desire for tribalism via religion, nationalism, skin color, etc will not bring either prosperity or peace imo to everyone.
The irony I see here is that this couple's action will probably have a for more negative effect than positive one for them at the bare minimum. There will obviously be people who will treat them as they treat others, and choose not to use their services since the colors don't match up.
SP33Demon
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And the couple is 100% racist because they're discriminating their purchases purely based on the color of someone's skin.
Answer these questions please:
1) What if a store owner is only half/third/quarter/tenth black? At what "skin tone" do you draw the line? Should shop owners carry around a family tree or DNA sample so these morans will want to shop there?
2) What if their heritage is black but they appear white and go to a black Church?
3) What if a shop owner is actually white, goes to a black Church, and donates to black charities?
4) What about an interracial couple and the white spouse is running the business?
You say "many of you don't get the idea of supporting your community", and I say how about freaking supporting your country and leaving the racially motivated divisive BS at home? You act like a fcking community is an island, newsflash: it's not. 98.564% of businesses are hurting in this recession, take the blinders off already and help each other out for fck's sake.
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There's a difference between the ruling majority supporting itself, and a minority group supporting itself. The correct analogy would be you supporting the businesses of the handful of other Indians. That would be compensating for the whites who threw rocks and wouldn't support those businesses based on prejudice.
Your family was able to support itself despite prejudice, but not everyone can. You must realize that if a competing white business opened near yours (with the same medical care), you would have been in trouble. Competing businesses did open near black ones after integration, and the black businesses were in trouble.
You think that only shopping at black businesses causes discrimination, I see it as the remedy to it. If a segment of the population won't go to black-owned businesses, but blacks will shop at all businesses, doesn't that put black-owned businesses at an inherent disadvantage? You faced that disadvantage, but met it with better quality. That's commendable, but we shouldn't expect that from others.
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If someone identifies as black, I go with that. I'm only half-black myself, but I'm treated no better than if I were all black. In fact, most people with both black parents have some European blood in them. Black is more than ancestry, it's culture.
Many people identify with groups smaller than the country. I bet you don't complain about (white) people who have a greater allegiance to their state than the US. Or wealthy liberals who buy all their produce from local farms. Blacks and many other minority groups identify with their community more than their country because our country isn't all that accepting. People of color are often invisible. Have you noticed that TV shows and movies that take place in New York City often contain no PoC? Or shows with many PoC actors have white leads?
BTW, Blacks were hit the hardest in this recession. Text
AreaCode707
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My in-laws are Russian immigrants (refugee status before the fall of the iron curtain) and they largely stay within their community, as you suggest. However, their goals in the closed-community they live in are to deliberately avoid Americans; it is VERY segregated deliberately, and they do it out of a sense of superiority, not to be "contaminated" by us. You should have seen the dust up there was when their son married me, a non-Russian.
Segregation for any reason and by any means eventually leads to demonizing or rejecting anybody who isn't like you. It's not good and it's not healthy. It is, however, our right as part of a free country. You can shop where you like and think how you like and say what you want as long as you don't cross into the hate crime or hate speech realm. It's damaging to society and to you as a person, but up to a certain point, that is your right.
SP33Demon
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First: you linked to a website about the unemployment of black men rising. Why aren't they including black women and averaging them as a whole? Maybe b/c they wouldn't have a story then. Link to something relevant, like black businesses (only the topic of this thread) please. Either way most businesses are product driven, of course there will be a small % of racists but it's insignificant. Maybe if black businesses are the worst off, they need to improve their products and stop pulling the race card and pitying themselves.
TV shows in NYC? Nice strawman argument, I can do the same and use ER (you know, the second longest running TV drama ever) that's based in Chicago that has more than a few PoC. Or other popular shows like The Office, Scrubs, Family Guy, Simpsons, so on and so forth that do have PoC.
Third, how is our country not accepting of blacks? Over half the country (56%) voted in a black president when blacks only comprise 13% of the population. 404 argument not found.
Last, you failed to refute my point that people can claim "black culture" and not be black. I'd love to hear what the racist shoppers from the video qualify someone as being a part of "black culture" or "black enough to buy from". I listen to LL Cool J but I'm not black (but I am a minority), does that qualify me? Would they (racist black couple) buy from my store if I told them I loved Mama Said Knock You Out or Around the Way girl? One of my best friends was black growing up, does that make me "black cultured" enough for them to shop at my store? Do I have to hang a sign in my window that says "black friendly" so they know I'm ok to buy from? Do I have to go their church? It's a slippery slope that is subjective for everyone, just like the "Is Obama black enough" arguments by blacks that plagued the country during the election. It's one thing to feel more comfortable being a racist, but at least admit it. I would prefer that everyone evolve mentally but hey, evolution is slow, I'm a realist and can admit that there are some people out there who can't think critically and have to resort to the lowest common denomination: our skin color to make our decisions for us.
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No. This couple is trying to better the black community. They think that blacks are disadvantaged in society, so they're doing their part to correct that.
Support for one group doesn't imply disapproval for others.
This is no different than shopping American, because you want to support the American economy. That doesn't imply hatred for China, but I'm sure some people who shop American hate China.
AreaCode707
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No, thinking that they are better than others because of their genetic makeup as displayed by skin color would make them supremacists. This just makes them discriminatory.
I don't think I've ever stopped to think what color skin the owner of a business I shopped at was. I went in because they sold something I wanted. I don't give a damn if aliens from Jupiter own the place. If they have what I want at a fair price, I'll buy it from them.
Purposly shopping at a business because it is owned by a particular race IS racist.
Like the 1st or 2nd reply said, if this was a white couple only shopping at white owned stores, we would be hearing the outrage of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and the pres on such horrible people behaving this way and that we have a black president and should be beyond such things.
Purposly shopping at a business because it is owned by a particular race IS racist.
Like the 1st or 2nd reply said, if this was a white couple only shopping at white owned stores, we would be hearing the outrage of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and the pres on such horrible people behaving this way and that we have a black president and should be beyond such things.
I believe it's racial, without the animosity and hate that traditionally has gone along with racism. So, it's not racist.
rac·ism [rey-siz-uhm] ?noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
Yes it is discrimination but without malicious intent. If anything it is an attempt to show that there is no difference in the performance of businesses operated by different ethnicities. They don't denounce other races nor do they make any indication they believe blacks are superior.
It's easy to knee jerk this one and cry 'racist!' but I think upon further inspection it's clear that this is a different race issue.
I only eat mexican food at one restaurant owned and operated only by mexicans? Why do I do it? It is more expensive than any other restaurant in town but I spend money there because they get less business for employing only legal immigrants who drive up their price. Carnitas are also delicious. Yes, there are other Mexican restaurants in town with non-illegals but I prefer this one as it provides an honest entryway with immigrants. I want to support their efforts.
Is that racist? No. Is it racial? I would say it is.
rac·ism [rey-siz-uhm] ?noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
Yes it is discrimination but without malicious intent. If anything it is an attempt to show that there is no difference in the performance of businesses operated by different ethnicities. They don't denounce other races nor do they make any indication they believe blacks are superior.
It's easy to knee jerk this one and cry 'racist!' but I think upon further inspection it's clear that this is a different race issue.
I only eat mexican food at one restaurant owned and operated only by mexicans? Why do I do it? It is more expensive than any other restaurant in town but I spend money there because they get less business for employing only legal immigrants who drive up their price. Carnitas are also delicious. Yes, there are other Mexican restaurants in town with non-illegals but I prefer this one as it provides an honest entryway with immigrants. I want to support their efforts.
Is that racist? No. Is it racial? I would say it is.
I am white, IF I believe that white people are at a disadvantage because of affirmative action, is it ok for me to only purchase from white owned stores, or would I be racist?
I believe the couple in question are making racist decisions. They are making a decision completely based on the color of skin that is to the detriment of another group of people based on the color of their skin. However, it is a minor form of racism that has no real bad effect like other forms we have seen in our countries past.
You tell me the plausible, typical motive for white shoppers who choose to have a policy to shop only at white-owned shops, then. You really need to learn how to make an argument.
I thought racism had to do with believing one race or the other to be superior. Doesn't sound like they necessarily believe that, so no. Seems illogical and unfair, though.
nope. it happens in many communities.
who do you think buys those dried-up penises sold at Chinese herb shops ? not Caucasians.
OK well maybe that's not the greatest examples. that's what i get for shopping in Chinatown. so i'm a Caucasian person who shops in Chinatown.
another example, orthodox Jewish folks shopping at stores owned by other people in their community. not just for Kosher food.
it just happens. it's normal. wouldn't worry about it.
Jesus. i wish i hadn't walked into that Chinese herb store.
Ok, so we have established that it is ok for a black to do it because, but not for a white. The reason being the different situations that the two races are in.
If: Subject A believes group 1, that subject A is a part of, is disadvantaged, is he allowed to avoid transactions with group 2? Which leads to a strange problem for me, I can stick white male in for subject A, and it is not ok, but I can insert a black male for subject A, and it is ok.
Being a white male myself, I find it impossible to understand the point of view of a group that is discriminated against, however I believe that whether or not an act is racist depends on the beliefs and motivations of the person committing the act. If a white man does the exact same thing as a black man, for the exact same reasons, and with the exact same belief, even if that belief is misguided and foolish, that both men should be judged by the same standards. Just because in reality black people face a harder struggle does not mean that their actions are not racist, they may be more moral or justifiable, but they are just as racist.
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