PricklyPete
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So if I own a business...its my money, my time...but I certainly can not only hire white employees...because that is racist. Explain to me how this is different?
So if I own a business...its my money, my time...but I certainly can not only hire white employees...because that is racist. Explain to me how this is different?
I think I almost threw up on this one....
Whites do it: Hate for blacks
Blacks do it: OK, as long as there is some bigger social reasoning behind it
:laugh:
@OP: The world is not blacks and whites only. If I stop by a non-chain liquor store or some gas stations, it is likely to be an Arab or Asian who own the place.
At least here in Socal, most nail shops are owned by Vietnamese. Although the big chain mexican restaraunts are corporate and white, there are many smaller places that are run by Mexicans (and coincidentally have the best food).
If you think about race enough to find out who owns stores, and shop/avoid certain stores due to skin color, you are racist. It doesnt matter who does it. There is no justification based on past acts by past generations.
If Craig is white, he has some major white-guilt going on. Maybe a trip to a shrink would help this.
If he is another race, he has some major racial prejudice towards white people.
its racist... in a stupid way... they miss out on best selection, freshness, and price.
I shop at asian market for rice and asian stuff
mexican market for freshest fruits
albertson for diary, refreshements, etc
= receive best food for least price
I shop at asian market for rice and asian stuff
mexican market for freshest fruits
albertson for diary, refreshements, etc
= receive best food for least price
mugs
Lifer
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I think Craig was trying to bring up the difference between choosing TO shop somewhere vs choosing NOT TO shop somewhere.
If I say I would rather shop at stores owned by black people, I'm leaving open the possibility of shopping at stores owned by white people (or other races) if a black-owned store is unavailable. It's not that I have anything against white people, I'd just rather help out black people. That is not racial bigotry.
If I say I won't ever shop at a store owned by white people, it's pretty clear that I dislike white people because of their race. That's clearly racial bigotry.
Craig did not put that idea into words, but I think that was his intention. He can correct me if I'm wrong.
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Lifer
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So...if I choose to shop at stores owned by white people as I would rather help them out...then that's not bigotry?
I think it has more to do with comfort level;
Where I live it is majority Hispanic, it seems they are far more comfortable shopping at places with Spanish names, I think it makes them feel that the store is for them.
For example we have two major malls one has a Spanish name and one has an English name, the one with the Spanish names gets 10x more customers. We have had most of the major car dealers change their name to Spanish names and put Hispanic faces in their commercials because it sells better.
We have some grocery stores with everything labeled in Spanish, one near my house that I go to every once in a while when I am heading home from that direction is particularly entertaining. Because when I go in there both the employees and customers look at me like WTF are you doing in our store!
It is why Wal-Mart is opening Hispanic stores;
Wal-Mart to Open Hispanic-Focused Supermarkets
Where I live it is majority Hispanic, it seems they are far more comfortable shopping at places with Spanish names, I think it makes them feel that the store is for them.
For example we have two major malls one has a Spanish name and one has an English name, the one with the Spanish names gets 10x more customers. We have had most of the major car dealers change their name to Spanish names and put Hispanic faces in their commercials because it sells better.
We have some grocery stores with everything labeled in Spanish, one near my house that I go to every once in a while when I am heading home from that direction is particularly entertaining. Because when I go in there both the employees and customers look at me like WTF are you doing in our store!
It is why Wal-Mart is opening Hispanic stores;
Wal-Mart to Open Hispanic-Focused Supermarkets
Modelworks
Lifer
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If they favor one races stores over another because that owner is having money issues then I don't see anything wrong with it, which is what that story is about. Watched it on the tv.
If they go to only black owned businesses and the only reason is because they don't want to give money to white people, that is racist.
Really doesn't bother me. I'm not racist. I hate everyone equally.
If they go to only black owned businesses and the only reason is because they don't want to give money to white people, that is racist.
Really doesn't bother me. I'm not racist. I hate everyone equally.
I think it all depends on your definition of what "racist" is, which seems to be what most are arguing in this thread.
According to dictionary.com:
This doesn't seem to be a case of Adj 1. or noun 1. definitions, but it may very well fall under Adj 2.
The entry on "Discriminatory" is long and I won't clutter up the post with all of it, but here are some highlights:
Anyway, you can semantic it to death, it is a matter of opinion.
In my opinion, I feel that the act of finding out the race of the owner of an establishment (with intent to refuse them business) is, in and of itself, a racist act.
For full disclosure, I am a white male with a Hawaiian wife and we have three children that would probably be considered "mixed race" for whatever *that* means. We will shop at any establishment that has the goods or service that we are looking for at the price that we are willing to pay. The race, color, ethnicity, religion, specie or anything else of the ownership never even crosses our minds. Though we have encountered racism against us because I am a white skinned man married to a brown skinned woman, and the majority of it has *not* been from white skinned people, which completely shocked my sensibilities.
According to dictionary.com:
This doesn't seem to be a case of Adj 1. or noun 1. definitions, but it may very well fall under Adj 2.
The entry on "Discriminatory" is long and I won't clutter up the post with all of it, but here are some highlights:
Anyway, you can semantic it to death, it is a matter of opinion.
In my opinion, I feel that the act of finding out the race of the owner of an establishment (with intent to refuse them business) is, in and of itself, a racist act.
For full disclosure, I am a white male with a Hawaiian wife and we have three children that would probably be considered "mixed race" for whatever *that* means. We will shop at any establishment that has the goods or service that we are looking for at the price that we are willing to pay. The race, color, ethnicity, religion, specie or anything else of the ownership never even crosses our minds. Though we have encountered racism against us because I am a white skinned man married to a brown skinned woman, and the majority of it has *not* been from white skinned people, which completely shocked my sensibilities.
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Lifer
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SP33Demon
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Your analogy is wrong: the Japanese were originally a victim of racist policy and were being paid back. The correct analogy would be if ALL races were persecuted into internment camps and only the Japanese received reparations. I.e. Blacks can choose to shop anywhere, but choose only black establishments. It's definitely "racist" by definition but to what degree depends on their motive.
Are pro-black people considered "racist"? Most would say yes and many would agree that it depends on whether they are so proud of their race that it causes them to hate whites (true racist in every sense of the term) or only be proud of their race and their accomplishments (racist by definition but not a true racist). Take some pro-black rappers, e.g. Talib Kweli who usually only celebrate black culture BUT has been known to refer to whites as devils. Ice Cube, a true racist, listen to Amerikkka's Most Wanted. Erykah Badu and Common are pro-black without the hate, by definition racist but not really true racist. My .02
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Don't many of you say that blacks need to "pull themselves up from their bootstraps?" Don't you say that it's up to blacks to help the black community? If you think about it, this couple is just being protectionist. I prefer to buy goods made in the US than those made overseas, and I bet many of you do as well. If any of you live in an ethnic neighborhood, I bet you prefer to shop at a local store run by a member of the community than a shop ran by an outsider, or a large chain. The couple is practicing affirmative action (I know many consider that racist and discriminatory), not negative action. They aren't threatening white-, Asian-, Hispanic- or whatever-owned businesses. Let me repeat: I have nothing wrong with whites only shopping at white-owned businesses. Millions already do.
I think many of you don't get the idea of supporting your community, because your community doesn't need supporting. I can't say that I'll only shop at black-owned businesses (the couple is obviously making a political statement), but when I see one I like to go to it. I'm also half-Jewish, so I try to go to Jewish-owned places as well.
I think many of you don't get the idea of supporting your community, because your community doesn't need supporting. I can't say that I'll only shop at black-owned businesses (the couple is obviously making a political statement), but when I see one I like to go to it. I'm also half-Jewish, so I try to go to Jewish-owned places as well.
mugs
Lifer
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You'd think that a fan of Michael Savage would know all about bigotry... no, that's not bigotry. A preference for people like you is not bigotry. Intolerance of people who are not like you is bigotry.
Edit: I will add that if your desire to "help" white businesses is motivated by dislike of other races, that is racial bigotry. Most white people don't find that their race interferes with the growth of their business, which is not true of some other races in this country. That is why it would be unusual for a person to choose to support a business solely because the owners were white.
Maybe they go to a restaurant for other cultural dishes? Maybe they don't like those dishes and aren't missing out? Maybe their black owned store has an ethnic section? Either way, they aren't racists for shopping at the black owned store.
Originally posted by: Robor
Maybe they go to a restaurant for other cultural dishes? Maybe they don't like those dishes and aren't missing out? Maybe their black owned store has an ethnic section? Either way, they aren't racists for shopping at the black owned store.
Actually, if there is a non-black owned store that is closer, same quality, same service..and they drive out of thier way due to skin color....that is about as racist as it gets.
It means you dont try and hide the fact that you make decisions based on skin color. You also dont attack people of other backgrounds from doing the same thing.
So you are consistant at least.
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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: Robor
Maybe they go to a restaurant for other cultural dishes? Maybe they don't like those dishes and aren't missing out? Maybe their black owned store has an ethnic section? Either way, they aren't racists for shopping at the black owned store.
Actually, if there is a non-black owned store that is closer, same quality, same service..and they drive out of thier way due to skin color....that is about as racist as it gets.
No, it's not. Instead of arguing semantics, lets talk about impact. Getting your car searched because you were DWB is worse than that. Getting a loan to start a business denied because of the bank's prejudice is worse than that. Getting followed around in stores (this happens to me very often) is worse than that.
No white-, or Indian- or Arab- or European- or Asian- or Native American- or Hispanic-businesses are threatened by this practice. That's the difference between racial and racist.
Okay, then we are arguing over degree. I can accept that.
By the way, if there happens to be a store in your nieghborhood that isn't owned by someone of the racial background that you prefer, is it reasonable to think that they still employ people from that neighborhood?
If you drive out of your direct area to shop because you dont like the race of the owner, arent you hurting local jobs?
The best way for people to vote has always been with their pocketbooks. I go to a certain meat market because it is owned by people who are members of my Church. They also sell a wide selection of meat that is always fresh, unlike some larger stores that you do not know if you can trust or not. So there is nothing wrong with supporting people from your community of friends that you know that may happen to belong to your race or ethnic group. This is kind of like a Jew shopping at a market which sells Coshure (Spell) meat. It is all a matter of choice. This is what freedom is all about.
There should be enough Black people in a Black neighborhood to keep a typical shop run by black people in business. However, they still have to sell things black people want.
Just go to a Golf equipment supply shop and see how many black guys are in there???
There should be enough Black people in a Black neighborhood to keep a typical shop run by black people in business. However, they still have to sell things black people want.
Just go to a Golf equipment supply shop and see how many black guys are in there???
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It's not "not liking the race of the owner [here]," it's "liking the race of the owner [there]." There's a huge difference between those two ideas.
Supporting a black-operated, non-black-owned business is different because for most stores or restaurants, the employees are making low wages, when the owner takes in a lot more. Supporting the Walgreens that has black employees is maintaining the system that we're trying to end. I wish more American blacks had the opportunities in life you and I have had, that's what this is really about.
JEDIYoda
Lifer
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I would dare say most of us shop at a given buisness because they provide a service or have an item we desire to purchase.
I for one have never ever shopped someplace because of the owners color.
I do believe in supporting local buisnesses as oppossed tothe chain stores!
I for one have never ever shopped someplace because of the owners color.
I do believe in supporting local buisnesses as oppossed tothe chain stores!
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