Black Couple Only Shopping at Black-owned Businesses

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Craig234
If whites only shop at white places, it's likely because of a hate for blacks.

Wow. That's incredibly prejudiced.

ZV

You tell me the plausible, typical motive for white shoppers who choose to have a policy to shop only at white-owned shops, then. You really need to learn how to make an argument.

Perhaps *you* should demonstrate which white shoppers "choose to have a policy to shop only at white-owned shops".

BTW, please note that your first quote conveniently left out the "choose to" part.

 

[teclis1023]

Who cares about personal definitions?

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1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
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According to the video, they're not choosing this because they believe there are inherent differences or because they have hatred or intolerance of white people. However, they are abiding by a 'policy' of discrimination.

So yeah, it's technically racist according to the dictionary.

 

[her209]

Is it racist if you only want to attend a "black" church?

 

[OrByte]

commenting on the OP

the black couple is acting discriminatory, which is largely associated with racism. But they are not racist, unless they only shop at black owned stores because they "hate whitey"

is that the case?

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: OrByte
commenting on the OP

the black couple is acting discriminatory, which is largely associated with racism. But they are not racist, unless they only shop at black owned stores because they "hate whitey"

is that the case?

Yes, I think that motivation is important here. If your second cousin owns a hardware store, you'll probably go there over competing stores. If your neighbor runs a restaurant, you'll probably eat there instead of other, similar restaurants. If you need a lawyer, you might go to your country club to find someone you know. You aren't supporting the people you know and love, your community, because you dislike or feel superior to others. Community support comes from a sense of unity and solidarity.

Would people here say that connecting with a lawyer at one's country club, which almost guarantees that the lawyer is a white man, is racist or sexist? As a society, we are so uncomfortable with the discussion of race that it's explicit mention often prevents a nuanced view of the situation.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Madwand1

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Chaotic42
My point is that we need to stop identifying ourselves as black, hispanic, Italian, German, white, and start identifying ourselves as Americans. We need to stop this whole notion of only supporting black businesses or only supporting Italian businesses or only supporting Southern businesses.

Obviously we all have genetic differences, but we need to stop thinking of ourselves as white and black and southern and northern and start thinking of ourselves as a nation. See my point?

I think it's racist when you only ask "ethnic" people to change. Do you consider white American "ethnic"? Usually, white Americans and Western Europeans are not treated as "ethnic." "Ethnic" food, for instance, is foreign in origin. Your usage of "ethnic" may white Americans and Western Europeans, but I assume it does not.

If my assumption is correct, I find your statements troublesome. You demand that "ethnic" people, who have American citizenship just like you, change. You ask people to conform to your image, which is an implicit claim of superiority. If my assumption about your usage of "ethnic" is correct, your statement is racist and nationalist.

If my assumption about your usage of "ethnic" is incorrect, then I apologize.

I think you owe him an apology on already-present grounds. Chaotic42 has a good point, and I agree with its gist, although I'd quibble about the nationalism if that implied some sort of substitute chauvinism. But I can take nationalism in this context to just refer to a greater community, and drop my quibble.

I see that, but, by and large, white Americans do their best to ignore race and only identify as American. Racial and ethnic identity is more important to those outside of the mainstream, so his post attacks us more. He is still saying, "be like me," and I think that's problematic.

How in the world do you ever expect to be part of "the mainstream" if your ethnicity is more important to you then identifying yourself as an American??

You want to have your cake and eat it too.

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Madwand1

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Chaotic42
My point is that we need to stop identifying ourselves as black, hispanic, Italian, German, white, and start identifying ourselves as Americans. We need to stop this whole notion of only supporting black businesses or only supporting Italian businesses or only supporting Southern businesses.

Obviously we all have genetic differences, but we need to stop thinking of ourselves as white and black and southern and northern and start thinking of ourselves as a nation. See my point?

I think it's racist when you only ask "ethnic" people to change. Do you consider white American "ethnic"? Usually, white Americans and Western Europeans are not treated as "ethnic." "Ethnic" food, for instance, is foreign in origin. Your usage of "ethnic" may white Americans and Western Europeans, but I assume it does not.

If my assumption is correct, I find your statements troublesome. You demand that "ethnic" people, who have American citizenship just like you, change. You ask people to conform to your image, which is an implicit claim of superiority. If my assumption about your usage of "ethnic" is correct, your statement is racist and nationalist.

If my assumption about your usage of "ethnic" is incorrect, then I apologize.

I think you owe him an apology on already-present grounds. Chaotic42 has a good point, and I agree with its gist, although I'd quibble about the nationalism if that implied some sort of substitute chauvinism. But I can take nationalism in this context to just refer to a greater community, and drop my quibble.

I see that, but, by and large, white Americans do their best to ignore race and only identify as American. Racial and ethnic identity is more important to those outside of the mainstream, so his post attacks us more. He is still saying, "be like me," and I think that's problematic.

How in the world do you ever expect to be part of "the mainstream" if your ethnicity is more important to you then identifying yourself as an American??

You want to have your cake and eat it too.

First, I never claimed any desire to be part of the mainstream. Second, I didn't claim that ethnic identity is more important American identity, I said that ethnic identity is more important to those outside the mainstream culture than those inside it. It's fair to say that my black and Carribean heritage (from my mother), and my Jewish culture (from my father) are more important to me than ethnicity is to most white middle class Americans. This is a direct product of your representation in the mainstream. You can take your identity for granted because it is constantly depicted, and depicted favorably by the media.

I identify as American, and I supplement that with other identities. I am queer, and I'm sure my queer identity is more important to me than your heterosexual identity. This is a natural product of being nonmainstream, and I accept and rejoice that.

 

[AndrewR]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Craig234
If whites only shop at white places, it's likely because of a hate for blacks.

Wow. That's incredibly prejudiced.

ZV

You tell me the plausible, typical motive for white shoppers who choose to have a policy to shop only at white-owned shops, then. You really need to learn how to make an argument.

Perhaps a white person feels on the short end of the stick with regard to government incentives which appear to favor minority businesses -- contracting quotas, favorable tax benefits (not intimately familiar with them, but I've heard of them here and there), and said white person decides to patronize only white-owned businesses to counteract a perceived bias in favor of minority owned businesses.

Or, what if a white person sees reporting on this black owned patronage idea and wants to counteract the effect by shopping at white owned businesses exclusively?

By your yardstick, neither of those instances are racist, but I would suspect that popular opinion of those actions would consider them to be racist.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: n yusef
I see that, but, by and large, white Americans do their best to ignore race and only identify as American. Racial and ethnic identity is more important to those outside of the mainstream, so his post attacks us more. He is still saying, "be like me," and I think that's problematic.

Wow, man. Unless I just completely failed at making my point, and since at least one other person got it, I don't think I did, we have nothing more to discuss. I have never seen someone twist words like you do. I don't know if it's on purpose.

Either way, I wish you good luck and hapiness.

 

[Phokus]

Lol @ the white persecution complex in this thread. You'd be a liar if any of you would say you would trade being white and having to suffer the socio-economic persecution that blacks face every day.

Enjoy the privilege society has bestowed upon you, and stop whining, retards

 

[CADsortaGUY]

lol at the racists and racism apologists in this thread. Usually these people are trying to find hidden racism wherever they can but suddenly when it's right there in their face they don't see it or try to make excuses for it.

blind retards...

 

[KlokWyze]

Originally posted by: Phokus
Lol @ the white persecution complex in this thread. You'd be a liar if any of you would say you would trade being white and having to suffer the socio-economic persecution that blacks face every day.

Enjoy the privilege society has bestowed upon you, and stop whining, retards

I thank the lord every day for being white. Good thing he was looking out for me! :laugh:

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: KlokWyze

Originally posted by: Phokus
Lol @ the white persecution complex in this thread. You'd be a liar if any of you would say you would trade being white and having to suffer the socio-economic persecution that blacks face every day.

Enjoy the privilege society has bestowed upon you, and stop whining, retards

I thank the lord every day for being white. Good thing he was looking out for me! :laugh:

Republicans.txt

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
lol at the racists and racism apologists in this thread. Usually these people are trying to find hidden racism wherever they can but suddenly when it's right there in their face they don't see it or try to make excuses for it.

blind retards...

So, what do you think about that study n yusef posted that showed white felons were able to find jobs easier than blacks without any criminal history?

Let me guess:

1) "oh, well, you can 'find' racism if you look hard enough"

2) <free market bullshit about how we're all born equal with equal chances at success>

3) <indifference at the injustice in unequal opportunities that whites have over blacks>

Republicans want a society where government can't interfere with the free market's efficient ability to keep whites in power and blacks in poverty. But you can't say that in public.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
lol at the racists and racism apologists in this thread. Usually these people are trying to find hidden racism wherever they can but suddenly when it's right there in their face they don't see it or try to make excuses for it.

blind retards...

So, what do you think about that study n yusef posted that showed white felons were able to find jobs easier than blacks without any criminal history?

Let me guess:

1) "oh, well, you can 'find' racism if you look hard enough"

2) <free market bullshit about how we're all born equal with equal chances at success>

3) <indifference at the injustice in unequal opportunities that whites have over blacks>

Republicans want a society where government can't interfere with the free market's efficient ability to keep whites in power and blacks in poverty. But you can't say that in public.

So are you really trying to justify blatant racism because this study claims there is racism out there? Read the bolded part of my post

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Republicans want a society where government can't interfere with the free market's efficient ability to keep whites in power and blacks in poverty. But you can't say that in public.

Wow. Do you actually believe that the free market keeps blacks in poverty? Pretty sad.

What is it, pray tell, that keeps whites in poverty?

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Phokus

Republicans want a society where government can't interfere with the free market's efficient ability to keep whites in power and blacks in poverty. But you can't say that in public.

Wow. Do you actually believe that the free market keeps blacks in poverty? Pretty sad.

What is it, pray tell, that keeps whites in poverty?

There's no such thing as being born into equal opportunity. Genetics and your environment determine a lot about one's future. If you win the vagina lottery and are born into a white wealthy family, your chance to continue your tradition of success is greatly enhanced. In fact, between the wealth or education of the parents, the biggest factor in the success of children, statistically speaking, is wealth (i will dig up this link later and post a thread about this, this is a recent study).

And race has a lot to do with how easy it is for you to be even employed. How is it justice when white ex-cons have an easier time finding employment than blacks with clean records?

http://findarticles.com/p/arti...is_2_108/ai_n15681393/

Or having a 'black sounding name' can disqualify you from even being considered for an interview?

http://findarticles.com/p/arti...5/is_2_48/ai_97873146/

Conservatives who say that we all have an equal opportunity for success are either a) willfully ignorant or b) racists who want to keep the white power structure intact (this is never mentioned publicly of course)

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Madwand1

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Chaotic42
My point is that we need to stop identifying ourselves as black, hispanic, Italian, German, white, and start identifying ourselves as Americans. We need to stop this whole notion of only supporting black businesses or only supporting Italian businesses or only supporting Southern businesses.

Obviously we all have genetic differences, but we need to stop thinking of ourselves as white and black and southern and northern and start thinking of ourselves as a nation. See my point?

I think it's racist when you only ask "ethnic" people to change. Do you consider white American "ethnic"? Usually, white Americans and Western Europeans are not treated as "ethnic." "Ethnic" food, for instance, is foreign in origin. Your usage of "ethnic" may white Americans and Western Europeans, but I assume it does not.

If my assumption is correct, I find your statements troublesome. You demand that "ethnic" people, who have American citizenship just like you, change. You ask people to conform to your image, which is an implicit claim of superiority. If my assumption about your usage of "ethnic" is correct, your statement is racist and nationalist.

If my assumption about your usage of "ethnic" is incorrect, then I apologize.

I think you owe him an apology on already-present grounds. Chaotic42 has a good point, and I agree with its gist, although I'd quibble about the nationalism if that implied some sort of substitute chauvinism. But I can take nationalism in this context to just refer to a greater community, and drop my quibble.

I see that, but, by and large, white Americans do their best to ignore race and only identify as American. Racial and ethnic identity is more important to those outside of the mainstream, so his post attacks us more. He is still saying, "be like me," and I think that's problematic.

How in the world do you ever expect to be part of "the mainstream" if your ethnicity is more important to you then identifying yourself as an American??

You want to have your cake and eat it too.

First, I never claimed any desire to be part of the mainstream. Second, I didn't claim that ethnic identity is more important American identity, I said that ethnic identity is more important to those outside the mainstream culture than those inside it. It's fair to say that my black and Carribean heritage (from my mother), and my Jewish culture (from my father) are more important to me than ethnicity is to most white middle class Americans. This is a direct product of your representation in the mainstream. You can take your identity for granted because it is constantly depicted, and depicted favorably by the media.

I identify as American, and I supplement that with other identities. I am queer, and I'm sure my queer identity is more important to me than your heterosexual identity. This is a natural product of being nonmainstream, and I accept and rejoice that.

You have confirmed exactly what I accused you of, wanting to have your cake and eat it too.

I identify as "breadwinner" with all the responsibilities and privileges that come with. Being American comes second to being breadwinner and is really only useful in being able to identify and cooperate with other Americans in my attempt to fulfill my primary responsibility of being breadwinner.

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows
You have confirmed exactly what I accused you of, wanting to have your cake and eat it too.

I identify as "breadwinner" with all the responsibilities and privileges that come with. Being American comes second to being breadwinner and is really only useful in being able to identify and cooperate with other Americans in my attempt to fulfill my primary responsibility of being breadwinner.

You continue to misunderstand me. I never claimed primary or secondary identification. I don't think that there is an inherent hierarchy in identities. I can identify as American, and as other things without placing them in a list. If you are unable to do this, then that reflects on you, not me or anyone else.

 

[CanOWorms]

I have to question whether this movement is meant to target Asian and Hispanic businesses in predominantly black neighborhoods. There is a history of anti-Asian and anti-Hispanic sentiment due to their shops in these neighborhoods.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: nobodyknows
You have confirmed exactly what I accused you of, wanting to have your cake and eat it too.

I identify as "breadwinner" with all the responsibilities and privileges that come with. Being American comes second to being breadwinner and is really only useful in being able to identify and cooperate with other Americans in my attempt to fulfill my primary responsibility of being breadwinner.

You continue to misunderstand me. I never claimed primary or secondary identification. I don't think that there is an inherent hierarchy in identities. I can identify as American, and as other things without placing them in a list. If you are unable to do this, then that reflects on you, not me or anyone else.

Speaking of lists, you (and others like you) are the ones promoting businesses which are black owned over those which aren't, not me.

 

[spittledip]

It does smack of racism I think. They can go where they want with their money.. but why should they care about what color the people are who get their money? The people who get my money are good businessmen. I dont give a crap about what color a person is . As long as they provide good service/goods, why should I care about anything else? If they are trying to counter any racism that would prevent white people from shopping at black owned stores, they are guilty of the very thing they are working against.

Also, that greasy woman needs to wash her face.

 

[beyoku]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Madwand1

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Chaotic42
My point is that we need to stop identifying ourselves as black, hispanic, Italian, German, white, and start identifying ourselves as Americans. We need to stop this whole notion of only supporting black businesses or only supporting Italian businesses or only supporting Southern businesses.

Obviously we all have genetic differences, but we need to stop thinking of ourselves as white and black and southern and northern and start thinking of ourselves as a nation. See my point?

I think it's racist when you only ask "ethnic" people to change. Do you consider white American "ethnic"? Usually, white Americans and Western Europeans are not treated as "ethnic." "Ethnic" food, for instance, is foreign in origin. Your usage of "ethnic" may white Americans and Western Europeans, but I assume it does not.

If my assumption is correct, I find your statements troublesome. You demand that "ethnic" people, who have American citizenship just like you, change. You ask people to conform to your image, which is an implicit claim of superiority. If my assumption about your usage of "ethnic" is correct, your statement is racist and nationalist.

If my assumption about your usage of "ethnic" is incorrect, then I apologize.

I think you owe him an apology on already-present grounds. Chaotic42 has a good point, and I agree with its gist, although I'd quibble about the nationalism if that implied some sort of substitute chauvinism. But I can take nationalism in this context to just refer to a greater community, and drop my quibble.

I see that, but, by and large, white Americans do their best to ignore race and only identify as American. Racial and ethnic identity is more important to those outside of the mainstream, so his post attacks us more. He is still saying, "be like me," and I think that's problematic.

How in the world do you ever expect to be part of "the mainstream" if your ethnicity is more important to you then identifying yourself as an American??

You want to have your cake and eat it too.

First, I never claimed any desire to be part of the mainstream. Second, I didn't claim that ethnic identity is more important American identity, I said that ethnic identity is more important to those outside the mainstream culture than those inside it. It's fair to say that my black and Carribean heritage (from my mother), and my Jewish culture (from my father) are more important to me than ethnicity is to most white middle class Americans. This is a direct product of your representation in the mainstream. You can take your identity for granted because it is constantly depicted, and depicted favorably by the media.

I identify as American, and I supplement that with other identities. I am queer, and I'm sure my queer identity is more important to me than your heterosexual identity. This is a natural product of being nonmainstream, and I accept and rejoice that.

:thumbsup:

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: nobodyknows
You have confirmed exactly what I accused you of, wanting to have your cake and eat it too.

I identify as "breadwinner" with all the responsibilities and privileges that come with. Being American comes second to being breadwinner and is really only useful in being able to identify and cooperate with other Americans in my attempt to fulfill my primary responsibility of being breadwinner.

You continue to misunderstand me. I never claimed primary or secondary identification. I don't think that there is an inherent hierarchy in identities. I can identify as American, and as other things without placing them in a list. If you are unable to do this, then that reflects on you, not me or anyone else.

Speaking of lists, you (and others like you) are the ones promoting businesses which are black owned over those which aren't, not me.

No comment??

I'd like to see your rationalization as to why it's OK for blacks to be promoting shopping at only black owned stores (if that isn't a list I don't know what is?) yet you attempt to smear me by claiming I have to catagorize everything in a list. As I have said twice now, you want to have your cake and eat it too.

You sir are a hypocrite.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Phokus

Republicans want a society where government can't interfere with the free market's efficient ability to keep whites in power and blacks in poverty. But you can't say that in public.

Wow. Do you actually believe that the free market keeps blacks in poverty? Pretty sad.

What is it, pray tell, that keeps whites in poverty?

There's no such thing as being born into equal opportunity. Genetics and your environment determine a lot about one's future. If you win the vagina lottery and are born into a white wealthy family, your chance to continue your tradition of success is greatly enhanced. In fact, between the wealth or education of the parents, the biggest factor in the success of children, statistically speaking, is wealth (i will dig up this link later and post a thread about this, this is a recent study).

And race has a lot to do with how easy it is for you to be even employed. How is it justice when white ex-cons have an easier time finding employment than blacks with clean records?

http://findarticles.com/p/arti...is_2_108/ai_n15681393/

Or having a 'black sounding name' can disqualify you from even being considered for an interview?

http://findarticles.com/p/arti...5/is_2_48/ai_97873146/

Conservatives who say that we all have an equal opportunity for success are either a) willfully ignorant or b) racists who want to keep the white power structure intact (this is never mentioned publicly of course)

Wait - the first study sent *13* applicants on *3,500* interviews? That's a very small control group to use to try to extrapolate any meaningful data from. With any sort of even distribution, there about 3 of each group: white, black, ex-com, clean record. IMHO, all it would take is one of those either tremendously standing out or intentionally tanking to totally skew the data. I'm presuming the study coordinators weren't on the interviews with the individuals, so how do we even know what transpired?

Anyway, though, what does this have to do with my statement that you quoted?

Do you actually believe that the free market keeps blacks in poverty?