Black America's Real Problem is Black People

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Who cares if he was profiled or not. He attacked GZ. Plain and simple...

Tired of that whole "Thug life" bull shit. Maybe this will be a lesson to them but I doubt it.

are you kidding? have you not watched the "demonstrations"? have you not heard what sharpton and other vocal black leaders (including obama) have said about the trial?

this is fuel for them to push their racial agenda even more. this incident upgrades their race card to platinum status, even when facts of the trial clearly show that TM was the racist.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Possibly, and it makes sense; it is logical to treat a person based on how they willingly present themselves. Clothes serve a function, but also a form and the latter is dictated by how we want to be perceived.

All of this profile stuff completely misses the point of course. It doesn't matter why GZ identified--CORRECTLY--TM as a potential miscreant (let's not forget that he correctly identified a person with a history of violence and criminal activity). What matters is he was assaulted.

The black community is doing itself a massive disservice holding TM up on a pedestal because it tells everybody else that his behavior was normal and acceptable. When people say "I am Trayvon", they are saying "I am a delinquent with a history of criminality who was on the fast path to a life in prison". Is this the message they intend to send?

who doesn't profile based on clothing?

a black guy in normal jeans and a tshirt, clean cut and shaven vs the same black guy with jeans hanging by his knees, tshirt 5 sizes too big for him, a big gold chain hanging around his neck and a comb stuck in his 'fro or a doorag on.

who's likelier to be the thug?

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Possibly, and it makes sense; it is logical to treat a person based on how they willingly present themselves. Clothes serve a function, but also a form and the latter is dictated by how we want to be perceived.

All of this profile stuff completely misses the point of course. It doesn't matter why GZ identified--CORRECTLY--TM as a potential miscreant (let's not forget that he correctly identified a person with a history of violence and criminal activity). What matters is he was assaulted.

The black community is doing itself a massive disservice holding TM up on a pedestal because it tells everybody else that his behavior was normal and acceptable. When people say "I am Trayvon", they are saying "I am a delinquent with a history of criminality who was on the fast path to a life in prison". Is this the message they intend to send?

Ding ding ding. Winner.

Rob M is hands down the most hilarious poster here.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Simple question for all the racecard freaks:

Look up the definition of racist - because obviously you're missing it when I bring up this point: Why is there something wrong with Black people and white people? Read that again slowly....

Why is it not "Why is there something wrong with black people, mexicans, asians, AND white people?". Racism is defined as someone who finds THEIR RACE to be superior. Racism IS NOT someone who finds 1 race to be be factually/statistically criminally less trustable as a culture. Please explain that to me.

 

[Whiskey16]

Racism IS NOT someone who finds 1 race to be be factually/statistically criminally less trustable as a culture.

You f***'n racist.

Generalised prejudicial marginalisation and discrimination against a targeted group.

The black population -- as a whole is targeted blamed and held responsible. Segregation is alive and well in the USA. Zero recognition of social issues varied and shared amongst varying demographics nor of the responsibility of the society in general for the long standing prejudices and breakdown of social structures and standards. If reason is raised it's dismissed and the prejudicial hate repeated. Discussion is discouraged here. Blacks are the problem... It's prejudicially simple to blame the darkies. Bigotry is blatant and strong.

Such bigotry is commonly expressed here against blacks, Muslims, homosexuals, women, etc..... Racism and misogyny. It is par-de-course and the expected displayed norm for the P&N (aka a Stormfront wannabe as presented above and b many others). A zero tolerance against racist agendas [1] [2] and the cleaning of house is warranted.

This AnandTech P&N attracts and retains such bigoted extremists. Such P&N regulars flock together, massing in circle jirks of brownshirt rants, repelling reasonable people from engaging within the P&N, and thereby disproportionately misrepresent this AnandTech forum as an anti-social and extremist entity.

A forum to discuss Politics & News need not be this way. Fence the troublemakers off into a new sandbox.

 

[CitizenKain]

You f***'n racist.

Generalised prejudicial marginalisation and discrimination against a targeted group.

The black population -- as a whole is targeted blamed and held responsible. Segregation is alive and well in the USA. Zero recognition of social issues varied and shared amongst varying demographics nor of the responsibility of the society in general for the long standing prejudices and breakdown of social structures and standards. If reason is raised it's dismissed and the prejudicial hate repeated. Discussion is discouraged here. Blacks are the problem... It's prejudicially simple to blame the darkies. Bigotry is blatant and strong.

Such bigotry is commonly expressed here against blacks, Muslims, homosexuals, women, etc..... Racism and misogyny. It is par-de-course and the expected displayed norm for the P&N (aka a Stormfront wannabe as presented above and b many others). A zero tolerance against racist agendas [1] [2] and the cleaning of house is warranted.

This AnandTech P&N attracts and retains such bigoted extremists. Such P&N regulars flock together, massing in circle jirks of brownshirt rants, repelling reasonable people from engaging within the P&N, and thereby disproportionately misrepresent this AnandTech forum as an anti-social and extremist entity.

A forum to discuss Politics & News need not be this way. Fence the troublemakers off into a new sandbox.

Its allowed and approved of my the mods. So it will never change.

 

[Agent11]

There are problems with the black community. It's only racist if you attribute it all to biology, while I think it is obvious that it is largely cultural.

Either way, statistics do not lie. There is a problem. To ignore it and try to pin anyone who recognizes it as a racist is absurd, and to blame all of the problems on institutional racism is equally absurd.

Drugs and gangs are a part of the problem, as is squandering educational opportunities, but there is also a cultural tolerance to crime and rejection of the justice system that is very serious, and very pervasive.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

You f***'n racist.

Oh look, someone else who refuses factual statistics 🙄

Deny it all you want - there are plenty right along side of you that love to stick your heads in sand all day long while watching I Dream of Genie. Don't you have some more irrational and ill-informed protests to attend that deny facts? I think you do. Go join your brotherhood of stupidity with Al Sharpton et. all while the rest of this nation that graduated high school rolls their eyes and for once in their lives feel shameful to call themselves 'American'.

 

[waggy]

There are problems with the black community. It's only racist if you attribute it all to biology, while I think it is obvious that it is largely cultural.

Either way, statistics do not lie. There is a problem. To ignore it and try to pin anyone who recognizes it as a racist is absurd, and to blame all of the problems on institutional racism is equally absurd.

Drugs and gangs are a part of the problem, as is squandering educational opportunities, but there is also a cultural tolerance to crime and rejection of the justice system that is very serious, and very pervasive.

/this

but you can't disuse the situation honestly without people getting mad and throwing around the "racist" accusation.

 

[waggy]

who doesn't profile based on clothing?

a black guy in normal jeans and a tshirt, clean cut and shaven vs the same black guy with jeans hanging by his knees, tshirt 5 sizes too big for him, a big gold chain hanging around his neck and a comb stuck in his 'fro or a doorag on.

who's likelier to be the thug?

this.

 

[Doppel]

Its allowed and approved of my the mods. So it will never change.

It's called politics and news. Both of them can, if discussed honestly, consist of uncomfortable views. Wedge issues cannot be discussed without pissing some people off.

 

[justoh]

You f***'n racist.

Generalised prejudicial marginalisation and discrimination against a targeted group.

The black population -- as a whole is targeted blamed and held responsible. Segregation is alive and well in the USA. Zero recognition of social issues varied and shared amongst varying demographics nor of the responsibility of the society in general for the long standing prejudices and breakdown of social structures and standards. If reason is raised it's dismissed and the prejudicial hate repeated. Discussion is discouraged here. Blacks are the problem... It's prejudicially simple to blame the darkies. Bigotry is blatant and strong.

Such bigotry is commonly expressed here against blacks, Muslims, homosexuals, women, etc..... Racism and misogyny. It is par-de-course and the expected displayed norm for the P&N (aka a Stormfront wannabe as presented above and b many others). A zero tolerance against racist agendas [1] [2] and the cleaning of house is warranted.

This AnandTech P&N attracts and retains such bigoted extremists. Such P&N regulars flock together, massing in circle jirks of brownshirt rants, repelling reasonable people from engaging within the P&N, and thereby disproportionately misrepresent this AnandTech forum as an anti-social and extremist entity.

A forum to discuss Politics & News need not be this way. Fence the troublemakers off into a new sandbox.

Interesting comments, especially the part about the community discouraging meaningful contribution, although perhaps you expect too much from a tech forum. 90% of the content in here is worthless nonsense, so if it was fenced off then not much would be left (plus you'd risk excluding something good, inadvertently, however unlikely that may be).

 

[CitizenKain]

It's called politics and news. Both of them can, if discussed honestly, consist of uncomfortable views. Wedge issues cannot be discussed without pissing some people off.

If your wedge issue is "black people are genetically inferior, here is a racist website telling people so" then what exactly do you think that person will bring to the forum?

 

[Agent11]

If your wedge issue is "black people are genetically inferior, here is a racist website telling people so" then what exactly do you think that person will bring to the forum?

No reasonable person is saying that black people are inferior.

What we are saying is that the black community is having serious issues, it needs to come to terms with it's problems rather than passing all responsibility by blaming institutional racism without taking substantive actions to address the real problems from within themselves.

Attacking people that open dialog on the subject, even other black people isn't helping either. Bill Cosby tried to open dialog on this subject and was shouted down. If a beloved tv icon is so treated how do you figure anything is going to get done?

 

[Doppel]

If your wedge issue is "black people are genetically inferior, here is a racist website telling people so" then what exactly do you think that person will bring to the forum?

Race is a wedge issue.

Whiskey is a great example of an individual who cannot discuss issues like this intelligently, though. Look at his last post--180--instead of actually saying anything meaningful at all he flails about throwing out insults. It's his MO on all topics like this. Some people can discuss controversial issues without spazzing and throwing insults, others can't.

 

[Whiskey16]

Race is a wedge issue.

Whiskey is a great example of an individual who cannot discuss issues like this intelligently, though.

Your dishonestly is the defence of explicit racists and dismiss the quoted content that I directly have responded to.

In the end, you are defending a racist agenda to specifically segregate from the rest of the population, condemn and marginalise an entire group of identifiable people -- blacks.

 

[SheHateMe]

No reasonable person is saying that black people are inferior.

Blacks are on average genetically less intelligent(smaller gene pool) than their competition in the U.S.

Oh, maybe you missed the comments about how we have a smaller gene pool, we should just be adopted by whites (obviously, to save us), and that we don't value anything.

Or maybe you missed this thread by one of our resident racis..I mean "racial realists":Race, genetics, and crime which attempts to explain how blacks are genetically predisposed to crime. We have a "Thug Gene" that whites do not have that makes us angry and violent. Not only that, but a comment by Geo in which he states "this is going to sound really outrageous to say but I think something like 80%+ of blacks in the USA are worthless criminals, whereas the percentage of whites who are worthless criminals is something more like 15%." He won't discuss that comment with you, but that came from his mind.

That is the kind of stuff that is allowed to be said here on AT, baby Stormfront. Anand and the mods have been fostering this kind of rhetoric for a long time it seems.

I haven't been here long, but during my time here, I have seen more than enough "Do you consider her to be black?" threads (in OT) where AT's mostly white posters attempt to discuss how black or not black an attractive light skinned or mixed race woman is (that identifies as black! no way)...including comments about how these guys think black people are more attractive when they are mixed (great, so, if I have more white genes, I'm beautiful, if not...I'm unattractive), threads about what black people's problem is, and the obsession on mostly reporting only minority crimes and discussion who is a thug and who isn't while white crimes skirt away, not discussed....because we all know that that stuff just doesn't happen every single day. Again, when you challenge these kinds of things, you are either race baiting (because of course, you are the first person to bring up race in a thread where the OP is about race...ha) or too "emotional"


P&N is hardly full of reasonable people. If someone of color tries to engage in yet another race thread (and funny since they always accuse others of race baiting), by trying to discuss some of the ignorant statements being said here, they get passed off as being too close to the issue or too emotionally attached.

I am really tired of having to stomach some of the veiled racism on this forum that gets passed off as meaningful discussion. Some of you make me sick and the mods sit back and allow it. Maybe Eaglekeeper can't read, but some of this crap has been said on his watch when he was participating in the thread.


Most of the people here are white, I think Rob M and I are the only two brown people here, and you see the kinds of things we have to sit here and read being said about us. No way are we going to be allowed into the debate because we are the subject matter, and as such...anything we say will be passed off as gobbledygook.

 

[Exterous]

IMO the problem is not blacks, whites or African Americans, Anglo Americans, Martian Americans or any other group. Its that, collectively, racism sells. As a country we love to get all riled up over things and racism covers a huge swath of Americans. Those who are racist get to deride their 'inferiors'. It allows people to feel indignant about using American's history as a reason because they weren't there. We get to gather in large groups of confirmation bias. It allows many to feel superior to others because they know that they 'get it' while the others are just 'ignorant' (And we so love looking down or being better than someone else) and - most of all - it pays well. Oh - the viewership ratings! Such wonderful numbers of Americans will tune in to hear about the trial and that ad revenues just rolls in. Books sell, people get TV time to further their public image and there is a chance to deride other public figures on gafs!

I am not sure how to dismantle the Racism Industry but I think we can start in two areas: Drugs and Education.

I say drugs not because blacks are all drug users but because dealing drugs are a get rich quick scheme for many in poor areas. Poor affects latinos, blacks, whites etc. I think legalizing marijuana would go a long way towards removing a gang and prison culture. I have wondered if something would replace it but the marijuana culture seems so ingrained among high schoolers (its 'safe' and everyone knows a couple of dealers) I think it would help.

Next - we need to get them a quality education. There are a ton of facets to this but many struggle in schools that spend more time on classroom management than actual education which leaves them ill prepared for opportunities. Just for starters: Poor areas (at least around here) pay their teachers shit so all the teachers worth anything end up moving out. Sure the 'I want to make a difference' ones stay a while but most burn out. If the pay is higher you also need higher barriers to entry and harsher teacher reviews. But to keep those teachers from burning out you need much stricter and enforced classroom rules, attendance policies and a wider latitude for teachers to manage the classroom

 

[Exterous]

NM

 

[Doppel]

Your dishonestly is the defence of explicit racists and dismiss the quoted content that I directly have responded to.

In the end, you are defending a racist agenda to specifically segregate from the rest of the population, condemn and marginalise an entire group of identifiable people -- blacks.

Thanks for cementing my point. You responded precisely as expected.

 

[Doppel]

Most of the people here are white, I think Rob M and I are the only two brown people here, and you see the kinds of things we have to sit here and read being said about us. No way are we going to be allowed into the debate because we are the subject matter, and as such...anything we say will be passed off as gobbledygook.

Classy is black, Artitech is of some mixed race. Beyond this, I assure you the forums are full of non-whites; Indians, Asians, surely other Blacks, Hispanics, etc. Surely the majority are white but there are plenty of minorities here.

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Exterous is right about racism selling. This is why I said it's a wedge issue. Everybody has an opinion on it and many people cannot talk about it without going totally insane. It's the perfect issue to rile people up over.

 

[Oldgamer]

You f***'n racist.

Generalised prejudicial marginalisation and discrimination against a targeted group.

The black population -- as a whole is targeted blamed and held responsible. Segregation is alive and well in the USA. Zero recognition of social issues varied and shared amongst varying demographics nor of the responsibility of the society in general for the long standing prejudices and breakdown of social structures and standards. If reason is raised it's dismissed and the prejudicial hate repeated. Discussion is discouraged here. Blacks are the problem... It's prejudicially simple to blame the darkies. Bigotry is blatant and strong.

Such bigotry is commonly expressed here against blacks, Muslims, homosexuals, women, etc..... Racism and misogyny. It is par-de-course and the expected displayed norm for the P&N (aka a Stormfront wannabe as presented above and b many others). A zero tolerance against racist agendas [1] [2] and the cleaning of house is warranted.

This AnandTech P&N attracts and retains such bigoted extremists. Such P&N regulars flock together, massing in circle jirks of brownshirt rants, repelling reasonable people from engaging within the P&N, and thereby disproportionately misrepresent this AnandTech forum as an anti-social and extremist entity.

A forum to discuss Politics & News need not be this way. Fence the troublemakers off into a new sandbox.

Sooooo agree with you my man.. excellent post.. true to the core

 

[SheHateMe]

Surely the majority are white but there are plenty of minorities here.

...but not in this conversation.

That is the problem...and the reason why I think people in P&N are allowed to spew the kind of tripe I was talking about. There is nobody to challenge some of this behavior. The mods have stated time and again, that they have made P&N something of a free-for-all. Say what you want...just don't threaten to kill anyone.

We have all these minorities, but where are they? Why don't they post in some of these race threads? We are not welcomed here. The material is about us. We can't discuss ourselves because we are too close to the issue.

How do I challenge a thread that says I have a special "Thug Gene" that makes me violent? How do I challenge a thread with posters saying that because I grew up in a poor neighborhood, I'm probably a bad person? I'm uneducated? A criminal? etc.

Its really the same as the anti-muslims threads from Incorruptible (and other posters as well, but I believe he has the most) and some of the comments agreeing with him. How can you vilify a entire group of people? Do we have any Muslims on AT to defend themselves against some of the things being said about there here? I've never seen it. Attempting to discuss THAT behavior is deemed "anti-christian".

Its saddening.

 

[Doppel]

...but not in this conversation.

That is the problem...and the reason why I think people in P&N are allowed to spew the kind of tripe I was talking about. There is nobody to challenge some of this behavior. The mods have stated time and again, that they have made P&N something of a free-for-all. Say what you want...just don't threaten to kill anyone.

We have all these minorities, but where are they? Why don't they post in some of these race threads? We are not welcomed here. The material is about us. We can't discuss ourselves because we are too close to the issue.

How do I challenge a thread that says I have a special "Thug Gene" that makes me violent? How do I challenge a thread with posters saying that because I grew up in a poor neighborhood, I'm probably a bad person? I'm uneducated? A criminal? etc.

Its really the same as the anti-muslims threads from Incorruptible and some of the comments agreeing with him. How can you villify a entire group of people? Do we have any Muslims on AT to defend themselves against some of the things being said about there here? I've never seen it. Its saddening.

I am guessing some post in these threads as a minority but do not advertise the fact. Strictly speaking, ideally, we need not be part of a particular group to properly understand it.

The mods are far away but they are not gone. I'm pretty sure P&N is extremely tame to some forums online. You'll note there is not much tolerance for racial slurs. It does seem that, in some cases, other words serve as a proxy. Some started saying savage as a proxy for black and that word is now not allowed and people will be insta-vacationed. In some cases thug is being used in the same manner and I wouldn't be surprised if it follows suit.

I get your point on Muslims. I am not fan of that religion but, since there are few (none?) Muslims on these boards I acknowledge those threads tend to serve little point except a big circle jerk.

 

[Exterous]

I am really tired of having to stomach some of the veiled racism on this forum that gets passed off as meaningful discussion. Some of you make me sick and the mods sit back and allow it. Maybe Eaglekeeper can't read, but some of this crap has been said on his watch when he was participating in the thread.

Well - no offense but you don't 'have' to stomach it. No one is forcing you to view P&N or certain posts. I don't have anyone on Ignore but there are quite a few I just scroll past without reading as I know its not worth my time. To be fair about the moderating its not like they only let only certain groups be profiled or singled out on here. Muslims, Christians, Atheists, Homosexuals, Europeans, Mexicans, Republicans, Democrats, Floridians (etc etc) all deal with their own 'anti-' threads and posts. They are strict on outright racism and racial slurs (or sexism, domestic violence etc) but you still need a thick skin to deal with the narrow-mindedness. To be honest I somewhat appreciate their approach as it helps remind me how many people are not interested in learning about or accepting people, ideas or facts