Black America's Real Problem is Black People

[brycejones]

This turned into a shitstorm fast.

Like it was going to go any other way. Although there has only been 1 cross burning so far in this thread.

 

[BigDH01]

This I understand about TM the lack of guidance, but let me put this more plainly; if your wife can't cook, is reminder her how bad a cook she before and after every meal going to help her become a better cook?

No. I think what you are seeing here is frustration among whites that they are being blamed for something that's not necessarily their fault. In this case, 1) even if Zimmerman wasn't justified in following or shooting TM there's no evidence to suggest that he did so because TM is black, that part is just assumed by people who feel the system is racist and 2) Zimmerman is hispanic so why is the white community the one being blamed?

Yet what we see on TV are just more insinuations that the black man can't get justice and the white man is holding him down. I'm tired of being blamed. I don't sit around and think about how to keep the black man down, frankly, I don't care. I have a fiance that can't find work and work issues and rent due, etc, etc. We all have these issues and now I'm also at fault for GZ being found not guilty? (I'm not implying you are suggesting this, but this is what a lot of white people see when they hear the complaints and see the speeches).

You can't sit here and denigrate an entire race, certainly not. For one, I'm a satisfied, married, working black man -- lead desktop admin for my company, never spend a night in jail, been working regularly in IT for 7 straight years, I have freinds who are doing the same thing, and very well.

I agree. I know lots of successful black people (and almost worked for a black professor). I confess that most of the black people I know are middle-class or better. I admire you for working with black youth. I think the problem many whites see is that more people like you aren't the spokespeople of the black community. From what I've seen, black youth need people like you telling them being born black is not a sentence to poverty and victimhood. They need to have successful people tell them they can succeed even if the cards are stacked against them.

I grew up with thugs and can tell you, most of them are smart and just need proper guidance, like a well meaning father. If you spend time around blacks, you'd see the potential these young men have.

Agreed. I think one of the issues with ghetto black culture is the complete breakdown of positive male father figures. I think it builds anger and resentment and the reason I don't like turning every conflict that occurs between white people and black people into a racial issue is that this anger and resentment is used to profit and blame white people. It could be used to work to something productive, to be something better. When my father abandoned my family there was no group of people to blame, I used the resentment to go to college and do well, to be better than my father. Giving these abandoned youths a convenient scape goat instead of their failed fathers isn't helping the situation in my opinion.

This is not to say that there aren't white people out there who blame 'the man.' The difference is that I can tell those people they are full of shit when they make shitty decisions. If I were to say that to a black person, I'd immediately get labeled a racist and have to worry the rest of my life that the DoJ might one day ask the public if I ever acted racist so they could accuse me of a hate crime.

 

[Attic]

Judging someone by the content of ones character rather than the color of their skin is all we need to do, and that's the norm of what we see today. Where that is not done we have rasicm.

Reverse racism decides that people are being judged by the color of their skin when in fact that is simply not true. Reverse rasism is an attempt at a power grab based on skin color rather than character. ie) if it didn't go they way I wanted it was because of skin color. GZ case and the race batters involved is perfect example of this.

Reverse racism is as damaging as racism, but the perpetrator role is reversed.

 

[boochi]

Blacks experience many things that disproportionately hinder their progress and chances for success.

1. Blacks are disproportionately poor at birth.
2. Blacks are disproportionately raised by single parents or no parents at all.
3. Blacks are disproportionately raised around illicit drug use.
4. Blacks are on average genetically less intelligent (smaller gene pool) than their competition in the U.S. limiting there educational and employment opportunities.
5. Many blacks have become dependent on a system of government handouts and have grown content with this form of existence.

 

[nephilim2k]

Blacks experience many things that disproportionately hinder their progress and chances for success.

4. Blacks are on average genetically less intelligent (smaller gene pool) than their competition in the U.S. limiting there educational and employment opportunities.

Whilst I cannot say anything for the other 4 points you raised...I call bullshit here.

Just because a population of people is genetically smaller in gene pool, does not mean they are less intelligent.

Take Jews for example...there are some 14 million globally. Of these...lets break it down

Approximately 20% of ALL Jews are Dr or Medical personnel
Approximately 15% of ALL Jews are Accountants or Financial advisors
Approximately 10% of ALL Jews are Lawyers or Paralegal

The remaining 55% are either religious personnel (Rabbi or other assistants to rabbis), housewives, retired, children, military or other professions.

So of the 14 million jews globally, around 6.5million have degree/postgraduate studies.

So having a small genepool don't mean shit.

 

[nephilim2k]

Also, black people are only limited by the small minded people around them. My Dr for example, grew up in the slums in Ghana, his family moved to the UK, to a predominantly African area of London where gun crime is/was high, and drug use is/was high. He was told in school he would amount to be nothing, he was a gangbanger in his youth (he freely admitted this), and now is a qualified Dr with a specialisation in neurology, and ENT.

So blacks being genetically limited again, your premise is flawed.

 

[boochi]

Whilst I cannot say anything for the other 4 points you raised...I call bullshit here.

Just because a population of people is genetically smaller in gene pool, does not mean they are less intelligent.

Take Jews for example...there are some 14 million globally. Of these...lets break it down

Approximately 20% of ALL Jews are Dr or Medical personnel
Approximately 15% of ALL Jews are Accountants or Financial advisors
Approximately 10% of ALL Jews are Lawyers or Paralegal

The remaining 55% are either religious personnel (Rabbi or other assistants to rabbis), housewives, retired, children, military or other professions.

So of the 14 million jews globally, around 6.5million have degree/postgraduate studies.

So having a small genepool don't mean shit.

The Jewish people today are all displaced peoples and breeding if you will is very diverse amongst those 14 million. Africans for thousands of years have been tribal people (closed groups in small numbers) and in-breeding was rampant . If you look at any indigenous native people regardless of color you will find lesser intelligence if the gene pool was small. Native Americans from anywhere in the Americas are less intelligent because of less diversity in the gene pool. People from closed societies or small islands are also less intelligent because of less diversity (Ireland comes to mind). When slaves were brought from Africa, they were captured from a tribe, transported as a tribe, sold as members of a tribe and for several hundred years southern slaves were isolated genetically. Now through the process of time blacks are becoming more intelligent because diversity in the pool is increasing.

The Jewish people you reference are very diverse as are the East Asian and Indian people due to massive populations and the most diverse of gene pools.

If you have the time, here is a nice long read for you.

 

[SheHateMe]

Blacks are on average genetically less intelligent(smaller gene pool) than their competition in the U.S.

Wow...

Our gene pool is so fucking small that black people come in different shades of brown and yellow. We also have different hair types and eye colors.

But, wait...I forgot that lighter skinned black women get threads in OT about whether or not they are "really black" or "considered" to be black white the mostly white posters on this forum. Other posters have also made comments about how they think black people are more attractive when they are mixed on this forum.

Man, I was so sure that whites raping their way into the African blood line in America would have made us at least a tad smarter....but alas, we're all still dumb criminals who aren't as "individualistic" and intelligent as everyone else.

Hell, I still remember cybersage talking about how both Barrack and Michelle only went to good schools during their youth and adulthood due to affirmative action.

This thread has devolved into posters making generalizations about blacks and getting away with it. Pisabird stated it was perfectly okay to profile blacks in the very first pages of the thread....now, it has devolved into a circlejerk about how much better whites are than blacks.

Like Rob said...all you folks are doing is venting (some of you) your thinly veiled racism and complaining about blacks...yet, none of you have really given any ideas for solutions....oh except the one asshole that suggested that white people just adopt black babies.

How can some of you complain about (some) blacks not being receptive to whites when you sit in your armchairs talking about how inferior we are? Wow.


I see why people don't like P&N.

 

[WelshBloke]

....now, it has devolved into a circlejerk about how much better whites are than blacks.

You sound surprised. Theres a certain proportion of people here that can only feel good about themselves by denigrating others. It doesn't necessarily matter that they are socially inept basement dwellers that can't forge meaningful relationships with others as long as they can "prove" that their self identified group is better than some other arbitrary group. Hence the negative posts about blacks, gays, Muslims, women, pretty much any group they aren't part of.

 

[SheHateMe]

Yea, but if you bring it up..they accuse you of race baiting. Hilarious.

I haven't really been active on the forum for a few weeks due to my internship, I thought I'd take a peek after the Zimmerman verdict and sure enough, there are now multiple threads about Zimmerman and black people.

I also found it a little heartbreaking that Geosurface claimed that the child who was killed by Spooner was probably a hoodlum that DID steal from him.

Black males are never NOT suspicious or guilty in the eyes of some of the posters in P&N.

 

[WelshBloke]

Yea, but if you bring it up..they accuse you of race baiting. Hilarious.

Yep. It's old ATFs behaviour. Make thinly disguised trolls and act all surprised and outraged when called out on it.

 

[nextJin]

Like Rob said...all you folks are doing is venting (some of you) your thinly veiled racism and complaining about blacks...yet, none of you have really given any ideas for solutions....oh except the one asshole that suggested that white people just adopt black babies.

How can some of you complain about (some) blacks not being receptive to whites when you sit in your armchairs talking about how inferior we are? Wow.

The people saying blacks are inferior are simply willfully ignorant or even racist. Two of the smartest individuals I work with are black and will be very successful in their life after the military.

But on the topic of complaining without giving solutions it amounts to this;

1. If white people even hint at solutions or the reasons they are immediately labeled.
2. White people complain because this problem directly affects them, yet can't speak to the contrary or they are racist.

 

[CitizenKain]

4. Blacks are on average genetically less intelligent (smaller gene pool) than their competition in the U.S. limiting there educational and employment opportunities.

Direct from Stormfront, its Boochi.

 

[boochi]

I never said that there were not some incredibly smart, intelligent and successful black people. I said on average, that black are less intelligent. Only someone trying to be PC would deny that.

I also don't claim that whites are the most intelligent people. Plenty of evidence would suggest that Asians and Indians are more intelligent.

 

[nextJin]

I never said that there were not some incredibly smart, intelligent and successful black people. I said on average, that black are less intelligent. Only someone trying to be PC would deny that.

No mother fucker you said "genetically" which is racist as hell. Social issues has nothing to do with genetics, you ignorant bitch.

 

[boochi]

No mother fucker you said "genetically" which is racist as hell. Social issues has nothing to do with genetics, you ignorant bitch.

It is not racist if it is true and you can't provide any evidence to the contrary. On the other hand there are adoption studies that prove my point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study

 

[nextJin]

It is not racist if it is true and you can't provide any evidence to the contrary. On the other hand there are adoption studies that prove my point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study

At no point did I challenge the question of adoption (moving away future inner city youth to middle class families) not being successful. Of course that is what everyone agrees with, my statement is of your absurd stance on blacks being genetically inferior. If anything your wiki entry proves otherwise. Given the same environments as anyone else they will produce the same results.

Either abandon your ignorant statement or just come right out and say you are a stormfront moderator.

 

[Doppel]

Well - there IS something inherently wrong with using facts and statistics to treat races differently. People are individuals, not groups. The fact that young black men commit crimes at very high rates (by comparison) tells me nothing about the young black man walking past my house. Let's call this young man Trayvon, assume that there are one million Americans who could be termed "young black men", and assume that 16% of young black men commit armed home invasions versus 2% for young white men. (These are all numbers pulled straight from my nether regions and intentionally slanted far worse than reality to make a point.) When Trayvon walks past my house, I know statistically that he has a 16% chance (by my made-up numbers) of being a dangerous thug. If I used that number to suspect that he is a dangerous thug, then I'm going to be wrong 92% of the time, and that 8:1 ratio isn't really going to make me any less wrong. Only if most black people were criminals would I be right more often than wrong, and even the Ku Klux Klan's Grand Pustulate in the comfort of his own 1976 single wide wouldn't make that claim.

When this mythical Trayvon walks past my house, it is one individual, not 1/1,000,000 of the homogeneous group "young black men".

I disagree. When you know nothing about a person, you need to resort to whatever you do know about what little you can observe. This is entirely logical and it is how people act even when they are not aware of it. If your doctor tells you that being fat is increasing your chance of heart disease by 50% of course he's not talking about you; you've never been studied; he's talking in general. It's possible that being fat will do nothing to you at all negative, but all things equal, it won't help. All things equal, if you know nothing whatsoever about specific individuals, all you have is generalities.

Forget race. It's night, very few people are around. You have to choose to go past two groups of people. One consists of 16-20 year olds dressed in baggy clothes, tats everywhere, they simply "look shady". The second group consists of the same number of guys in late 20's in their military dress uniforms. Which one is safer? Everybody here would have a preference.

 

[HomerJS]

http://news.yahoo.com/black-americas-real-problem-isnt-white-racism-070000529.html

In New York from January to June 2008, 83 percent of all gun assailants were black, according to witnesses and victims, though blacks were only 24 percent of the population. Blacks and Hispanics together accounted for 98 percent of all gun assailants. Forty-nine of every 50 muggings and murders in the Big Apple were the work of black or Hispanic criminals.

. . .

After researching the FBI numbers for "Suicide of a Superpower," this writer concluded: "An analysis of 'single offender victimization figures' from the FBI for 2007 finds blacks committed 433,934 crimes against whites, eight times the 55,685 whites committed against blacks. Interracial rape is almost exclusively black on white — with 14,000 assaults on white women by African Americans in 2007. Not one case of a white sexual assault on a black female was found in the FBI study."

Though blacks are outnumbered 5-to-1 in the population by whites, they commit eight times as many crimes against whites as the reverse. By those 2007 numbers, a black male was 40 times as likely to assault a white person as the reverse.

Those stats for middle class white/blacks and up level out. But I'm sure the OP excluded that by accident.

 

[nehalem256]

Forget race. It's night, very few people are around. You have to choose to go past two groups of people. One consists of 16-20 year olds dressed in baggy clothes, tats everywhere, they simply "look shady". The second group consists of the same number of guys in late 20's in their military dress uniforms. Which one is safer? Everybody here would have a preference.

This is what I don't get. Why is everyone so hung up on trayvon's race? If he had been walking around in say a suit, or heck even say a McDonald's uniform would Zimmerman have profiled him?

 

[Binarycow]

Because they don't want the people they are robbing or beating to be able to shoot them?



Or maybe black people could get ID so they could get a job?



Or maybe they could vote at the same time as white people?

he/she/it is a thorough moron. You just cant argue successfully with morons.

 

[SheHateMe]

This is what I don't get. Why is everyone so hung up on trayvon's race? If he had been walking around in say a suit, or heck even say a McDonald's uniform would Zimmerman have profiled him?

So are you saying he was profiled because of what he was wearing? The neighborhood had break-ins being committed by black males. If TM was white and wearing what he was wearing (and he was appropriately dressed, imo), do you think he would have been profiled?

 

[Attic]

So are you saying he was profiled because of what he was wearing? The neighborhood had break-ins being committed by black males. If TM was white and wearing what he was wearing (and he was appropriately dressed, imo), do you think he would have been profiled?

All else the same do you think if the break ins were committed by whites and TM was white that TM would have been profiled? In the profile how many situational characteristics can you name and in what order would you rate their importance?

 

[frowertr]

Who cares if he was profiled or not. He attacked GZ. Plain and simple...

Tired of that whole "Thug life" bull shit. Maybe this will be a lesson to them but I doubt it.

 

[SheHateMe]

All else the same do you think if the break ins were committed by whites and TM was white that TM would have been profiled?

Sure I do.


I was just waiting on somebody to stop being dishonest and admit that TM's race had something to do with why he was followed. It wasn't just what he was wearing or that he was cutting between houses.

In the profile how many situational characteristics can you name and in what order would you rate their importance?

1. Black
2. Nighttime
3. Cutting between houses


What this tells me is that you'd better be privy to whats going on in the neigbhorhood you're walking through or else. People have already said in this thread that they just don't trust certain blacks because they don't know which one is "the one". So, to that I say...if you're a black male, you need to watch it.