Black America's Real Problem is Black People

[Whiskey16]

They have bred themselves into this position and they don't give a shit about it.

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Should I be fearful of every black person? No, just as I am not fearful of every muslim person, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't think about it and wonder, is this the one? And take precautions.

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Being self-aware is not a bad thing.

Prejudicial bigotry to a 't'. Fearful and marginalising prejudicial preconceptions applied to be ready and act against the possible 'one.' Socially destabilising bigotry.

Such racism. You people are shocking.

This forum is overtly representative of the USA, and that is a state holding particularly sordid history of racial prejudice. Sadly, a social and cultural regressive that was overtly tardy upon repealing slavery, then segregation, and on to far too common acts of lynching happening far past the practiced expiry date in most other civilised states. Pride for a practicing social and civilised leader is often ungrounded, and only that of empty words.

To compound presented matters -- this is the AnandTech P&N, an exceptionally vile cesspool, where sadly, disproportionate to the general society, bullying extremists feel welcome with an impunity to express their lunacy by repelling and discouraging reasonable discussion. Due to the regular bigotry, often a Stormfront comparison is raised. Not an equal of such all-encompassing filth, but there are a vocal rabble here who regularly work hard to earn a comparison. Prejudicial marginalisation upon the targeted group-of-hour is endemic.

It's not even worth quoting the remaining horrible prejudice here as a reasonable condemnation will simply get drowned out by the expected lot of brownshirts who try their best to bully a thread and will cry out with ironic complaints of bigotry upon those who are intolerant upon this expressed prejudicial marginalisation of today's targeted group (be it blacks, Muslims, homosexuals etc.....).

I just want the mods to know I am deliberately not participating in this thread, other than to make this post!

Yes, this thread lured you in. You are the author and proponent of another infamously bigoted multi-paged thread of AnandTech P&N infamy, 'Race, genetics, and crime.' As this piece, a prejudicially agenda driven thread to hold an entire visible group (black people) for the fault of disproportionate crimes, and base homogenised responsible blame for such crimes down to the identifying factor of race.

This agenda, as supported by LegendKiller (quoted above), is to promote and incite prejudicial marginalisation and fear against all strangers who happen to appear black.

 

[ivwshane]

It's obvious to must but you're never going to see it. You cannot consistently label other people as being filled with hate when you really have nothing to back it up except for your own prejudices.

Have fun with your life.

Yeah, except I don't need evidence as he freely admitted to it so...

 

[ivwshane]

So we have a thread that's turned into denigration of the black community, and amidst all the complaining and racial insensitive comments, not one (presumably all-white or at least non-black) single poster offered a way they can personally contribute to solve the problem -- just airing dirty laundry and clear anti-black commentary.

The question is: what are any of you prepared to do to fix the situation and improve the overall quality of racial harmony in the US?

All you are doing is complaining, as you accuse blacks of, and racebaiting, but not even a single attempt to offer yourself to fix the issue you clearly see is causing problems.

No, I am not asking you to fix their issues, but if you're going to complain, do something or shut up.

I must be on your ignore list as I have posted several things that can help change the situation, all at the personal level too.

 

[LegendKiller]

Prejudicial bigotry to a 't'. Fearful and marginalising prejudicial preconceptions applied to be ready and act against the possible 'one.' Socially destabilising bigotry.



This agenda, as supported by LegendKiller (quoted above), is to promote and incite prejudicial marginalisation and fear against all unknown black people.

Sorry, admittedly I used the word "bred" very carelessly, I didn't mean it is a genetic problem, far from it, especially if you look at the rest of my post. I meant it as a societal shift as a result of the initial problems that have reinforced the problems and caused more. Where did it begin?

It seems to have become far worse, but why? When and how was family de-emphasized? Why has it become more acceptable for rampant unprotected sex?

I really don't know, but I do see the attitudes being reinforced by a decent portion of the population and it is telling in how they see themselves.

I think the most frustrating part for me is for somebody to tell my friend he is "too white". Why is that? can't he just be a guy trying to scratch out a life? Why does he have to be seen as one or another?

 

[drebo]

Yes, if you use facts and statistics as justification for treating people of different races differently when you know nothing else about the person you are treating differently, I would consider that racism.

So then affirmative action, the goals behind it, and the methodology by which it is implemented are all racist in your eyes?

I agree!

 

[Carfax83]

Well, why complain then? It will only widen the divide and cause more division and this "mindset" will only deepen because after reading this thread, whites are looking like hateful racists.

Why complain? Because many people are tired of blacks being hypocritical (like Muslims) by making a terrible fuss when a white, or non black man kills a black youth or man, but turn a blind eye to the out of control black on black violence

Of course it's up to them, but you can help this mindset by showing you care about the community and race is no longer an issue in America.

I don't think race is the issue here. It's mindset and beliefs. Nothing separates one person from another, more than mindset and belief.

Despite the fact that you are a black American male, you have more in common with a white American like werepossum than you do with a black person from say the Sudan, who speaks a different language and has a radically different worldview than you.

Also, many morally upstanding, hard working blacks are also fed up with not only the rampant black on black violence, but the black victim mentality being perpetuated by race bait pimps like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton..

The root of this mindset is blacks still think the white system is against them, and after reading this horrible, bigoted thread, blacks are still violent thugs in the eyes of many.

So because the white system is against them, they kill each other by the score, have irresponsible sex with as many women as they can get, have no respect for law and order, think it's cool to be uneducated and unintelligent (as long as you're good at sports who cares about school?), and the list goes on and on..

Your theory makes no sense, and cannot be pinned or blamed on whites.

The true root of this mindset, is the terrible, and systematic breakdown in the African American family unit and lack of moral guidance in the community at large.

 

[Carfax83]

So I can't really condemn "black culture" for what blacks say about whites because it would equally condemn white culture.

While there are certainly racists in every culture, I think white Americans are much more diverse and individualistic in their mindset than African Americans, who tend to be more uniform and race oriented..

For example, look how many white Americans voted for Barrack Obama. Obama could not have won the White House without a sizeable percentage of white Americans voting for him.

Then look at the overwhelming vote he got from African Americans, to the tune of over 90% if I recall.

If you break things down via Political Party, you'll see the same thing. Whites show much more diversity in who they vote for, compared to African Americans.

All of this is a reflection on their mental state, which to me shows a large degree of uniformity, and anyone familiar with the history of this country will understand why that uniformity exists.

Still, it's not really a good thing because it will make the problem that much harder to solve.

 

[drebo]

White people spent a couple hundred years controlling how black people lived, and another hundred trying to do pretty much the same thing with less power. That wasn't particularly a good time for blacks, from what I understand. Black people aren't children, for us to fix, and as Legendkiller points out many if not most of the problems faced by blacks are self-inflicted. I think we should keep removing those white-caused barriers still in place as well as helping black people over barriers put in place by other blacks, but the solution to this problem largely has to come from blacks yourselves.

One concrete example: education. If one is trapped in a failing school system being operated as a jobs program and power base rather than as an educational resource it's very difficult to get a decent education no matter one's color. We don't seem to have the will to make urban schools work, but we can at least offer vouchers so that caring parents can take on more trouble to get their children a better education. Another thing is taking the top 10% of every class into state universities; that's a great idea, but many times kids from inner-city schools are not prepared for college. One-on-one mentoring and resource-intensive remedial/prep classes are probably another good idea. But again, none
of this has value except for those who want to take the opportunity, and has nothing to do with race except that statistically blacks are more likely to be in such situations by the luck of the draw.


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Well, but we whites do have to get over our guilt and stop encouraging African Americans to behave this way.

If we don't treat them as equals (i.e. giving them special treatment), they won't treat themselves as equals to us.

 

[buckshot24]

Well, but we whites do have to get over our guilt and stop encouraging African Americans to behave this way.

If we don't treat them as equals (i.e. giving them special treatment), they won't treat themselves as equals to us.

Exactly this!

 

[WelshBloke]

Isn't it more of a "growing up poor in a ghetto with no real chance of personal advancement" problem than an "you're black therefore criminal" problem?
There's a certain segment of the white population that shares the same anti intellectual, don't rise up above your peers attitude. Funnily enough they share the same economic bracket as well.

 

[Agent11]

Yes, many whites blame all their troubles on 'the man' as well.

Isn't productive, I don't recommend it.

 

[justoh]

So we have a thread that's turned into denigration of the black community.

It started as denigration of blacks. Unlike simply using the a word these people actually think that blacks are inherently inferior - the definition of racism!

 

[justoh]

While there are certainly racists in every culture, I think white Americans are much more diverse and individualistic in their mindset than African Americans, who tend to be more uniform and race oriented..

For example, look how many white Americans voted for Barrack Obama. Obama could not have won the White House without a sizeable percentage of white Americans voting for him.

Then look at the overwhelming vote he got from African Americans, to the tune of over 90% if I recall.

If you break things down via Political Party, you'll see the same thing. Whites show much more diversity in who they vote for, compared to African Americans.

All of this is a reflection on their mental state, which to me shows a large degree of uniformity, and anyone familiar with the history of this country will understand why that uniformity exists.

Still, it's not really a good thing because it will make the problem that much harder to solve.

Yeah, the alarming and telling part isn't that half of white people didn't vote for him, or a third party candidate. Do you recall who the GOP contenders were? You'd have be a stupid white racist to have voted for stupid white racists, and most black people simply aren't stupid or white enough. Otherwise, excellent points.

 

[StrangerGuy]

logical arguments

Don't you get it, discussing such things automatically makes you a racist.

 

[Retro Rob]

So now you are saying that they are no smarter than kids and that we should be condescending in how we treat them?

I am not coddled in my life. I know failure, I have had my own setbacks, I have been shown how "stupid" I have been and I have paid for my mistakes. My parents told me to not act like a moron and were very strict. I have my father to thank for pretty much my entire career, he showed me that hard work pays off and he called me out on my BS when I was young.

Trayvon was almost a full grown man. His own father effectively said he couldn't control him if his FB posts are to be believed (let alone being able to read/understand them). Somebody needed to take him aside and tell him to stop doing drugs, acting like a thug and going in the wrong direction and then offer to help him. However, even with that it might have been too late. His parents failed him before that.

They are adults and they need to be shown the errors of their ways by the people they consider leaders. Somebody like Dick Parsons needs to step up, along with Oprah, Cosby, Raines, Powell...etc, business leaders, educated people, military leaders, people who have been successful the hard way. They need to show them the problems and point to ways to fix them. Presenting a united front is the only way as a single man/woman will get tossed aside as "anti-black".

This I understand about TM the lack of guidance, but let me put this more plainly; if your wife can't cook, is reminder her how bad a cook she before and after every meal going to help her become a better cook?

You can't sit here and denigrate an entire race, certainly not. For one, I'm a satisfied, married, working black man -- lead desktop admin for my company, never spend a night in jail, been working regularly in IT for 7 straight years, I have freinds who are doing the same thing, and very well.

I grew up with thugs and can tell you, most of them are smart and just need proper guidance, like a well meaning father. If you spend time around blacks, you'd see the potential these young men have.

I have spent a good chuck of my life with these people, and I am we'll aware of some of the issues contributing to their plight.

Have you?

 

[Vaux]

While there are certainly racists in every culture, I think white Americans are much more diverse and individualistic in their mindset than African Americans, who tend to be more uniform and race oriented..

For example, look how many white Americans voted for Barrack Obama. Obama could not have won the White House without a sizeable percentage of white Americans voting for him.

Then look at the overwhelming vote he got from African Americans, to the tune of over 90% if I recall.

If you break things down via Political Party, you'll see the same thing. Whites show much more diversity in who they vote for, compared to African Americans.

All of this is a reflection on their mental state, which to me shows a large degree of uniformity, and anyone familiar with the history of this country will understand why that uniformity exists.

Still, it's not really a good thing because it will make the problem that much harder to solve.

It is interesting that you keep referring to blacks as african americans, but refer to whites as whites. Why are blacks not allowed to be called blacks but whites are allowed to be whites?

Is black insulting? Is white insulting? Should we start referring to whites as european americans now or is there a double standard?

 

[WelshBloke]

It is interesting that you keep referring to blacks as african americans, but refer to whites as whites. Why are blacks not allowed to be called blacks but whites are allowed to be whites?

Is black insulting? Is white insulting? Should we start referring to whites as european americans now or is there a double standard?

Your outrage would be more effective if he hadn't referred to "white Americans" throughout his post.

 

[Vaux]

Your outrage would be more effective if he hadn't referred to "white Americans" throughout his post.

No outrage. And the equal of "white americans" would be "black americans" and that is what he kept avoiding.

And it is just not his post. It is becoming more common to avoid saying black male, it's always african american male. But white male is totally fine.

I have even seen people refer to blacks in the UK as african americans because it seemed they didn't know what else to call them.

 

[WelshBloke]

No outrage. And the equal of "white americans" would be "black americans" and that is what he kept avoiding.

And it is just not his post. It is becoming more common to avoid saying black male, it's always african american male. But white male is totally fine.

Really? This bothers you? Feel free to use European American if you want although people seem happier to use Scottish American or Irish American.

I have even seen people refer to blacks in the UK as african americans because it seemed they didn't know what else to call them.

That's just silly though, unless the person in question is from the US.

Edit: your sure that you don't mean Afro- Caribbean? We use that on forms sometimes, the British bit is implied by the context.

 

[klinc]

Such racism. You people are shocking.

Definer racism for me. None of the definitions of racism explains behavior. Racist hate people, They want to exterminate. Not feed and educate.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I really don't know, but I do see the attitudes being reinforced by a decent portion of the population and it is telling in how they see themselves.

I think the most frustrating part for me is for somebody to tell my friend he is "too white". Why is that? can't he just be a guy trying to scratch out a life? Why does he have to be seen as one or another?

I've been told some of the same things by my black and hispanic neighbors, many very seldom if ever visit the neighborhoods they grew up in due to being told they act too white, sold out to the man. These same neighbors do not allow their teens to dress gangsta or cholo style. One told his son if his wanted to dress like a cholo to leave his house and not to come back until he knew how to dress/act.

 

[brandonb]

If I live in a 98% white community. I feel safe.
When I lived in an area that is 50% black. I did not feel safe.

No physical harm came to me or my family in either situation.
I prefer to live in a white community.
Does that mean I'm racist?

Some might say so.

The way I look at it is this: When I'm in a white community I never had a group of (young) people come up to the house I was living in. Help themselves to the porch. Drink some 40oz beers. Refuse to leave until the cops were called. I never had to deal with groups of thugs walking down the streets at all times of the night up to no good where I feared my car would be broken into almost nightly. Drug houses across the street, and who knows what else. (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Pope...t,+Minneapolis,+Minnesota+55408-3025&t=m&z=15, https://maps.google.com/maps?q=45.013178,-93.286206&hl=en&num=1&t=m&z=15)

When I lived in an apartment, these people would be bumping their music and having parties every single night of the week in some apartment around me. When I had to work, this was very hard for me to cope. Someone called the cops, and the next morning had a threat taped to my door about how us "white people" called the cops on them, and they'd get us back some day, even though we never called the cops. But we got blamed for it, because we were white no less. (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=phea...New+Hope,+Hennepin+County,+Minnesota&t=m&z=14)

Some might say if these people had jobs, they wouldn't be dong this. But others think they don't want jobs and prefer to do this, including me.

Does that mean I'm racist if I choose not to live in that type of culture?

Maybe its the unemployment, but I'm more convinced it has nothing to do with economics. In white communities, whites have a better tendency to self police. If someone is up to no good, they call the cops or do something about it themselves (go up to the persons door and tell them to quiet down). Most of the time white people are generally respectful to their neighbors. 1 out of 100 may not be, and maybe some young kids might have a party at certain times, but general, things are better behaved. Take poor white areas like trailer homes, and while they have higher drug/alcohol problems, they are still generally much safer than black communities.

Do we focus on the minority and say "They are not all like that!" If 50 out of 100 pit bulls attack. Do we go around saying "But not all pit bulls are like that! I once knew a pit bull that did not attack." Or do we assume there is going to be an attack at some point and avoid the dog all together? Is the black community doing anything here to change this perception? This is the perception. If they don't like it, they need to do something to change it.

Is it racist to want to avoid it?

Bottom line. Until the black community wants to do some self policing. I don't see white flight ever going away. Until white flight ends we will continue to have poor inner cities, and rich suburbs. Whites have the money and they don't want to be around blacks. So of course none of that money will end up with the blacks if we have cultural boundaries.

Take away selling drugs, blacks would have no wealth to speak of. Which means we will continue to have gangs and the sale of drugs in the inner cities. Which means crime and the cycle repeats. Honestly, their only option is gangs and drugs. Because their culture has approved of it, and has not attempted to fix or change it, except for a small minority of their people who fight against that culture, but are in general, ignored by the rest.

The government continues to dump money into inner cities to rejuvenate the areas and hope whites move back. But almost in every instance, it fails and ends up being a waste of money. Whites don't want to be part of that culture. And are avoiding it. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brookdale_Mall)

The funny this is this: I don't honestly know of any white racists. The whites I know who avoid blacks or talk negatively about them has everything to do with the black culture, and nothing to do with their skin color.

Whatever the case may be, this is a black problem that they need to fix.

 

[Carfax83]

No outrage. And the equal of "white americans" would be "black americans" and that is what he kept avoiding.

Throughout this thread, I've used terms like blacks, and African Americans, although I prefer to use the latter because it's more specific.

African Americans are culturally distinct from other black people, say African immigrants, or black people from the Caribbean or Latin America.

And it is just not his post. It is becoming more common to avoid saying black male, it's always african american male. But white male is totally fine.

It's been like that for decades now. The term African American doesn't make much sense though if you ask me, as American blacks are so far removed from their African origin as to be much closer to white Americans in their beliefs and mindset.

I have even seen people refer to blacks in the UK as african americans because it seemed they didn't know what else to call them.

Well those people probably aren't very bright if they do that. I believe blacks in the U.K are typically of either African or Caribbean descent, and not African American.

 

[Carfax83]

Isn't it more of a "growing up poor in a ghetto with no real chance of personal advancement" problem than an "you're black therefore criminal" problem?
There's a certain segment of the white population that shares the same anti intellectual, don't rise up above your peers attitude. Funnily enough they share the same economic bracket as well.

Economics definitely plays a large role in this phenomena, but the systematic breakdown of the African American family unit and the prevalence and embracement of the "thug mindset" in the African American culture amplify and worsen the effect greatly to the point where economics isn't the lead factor.

 

[nextJin]

If I live in a 98% white community. I feel safe.
When I lived in an area that is 50% black. I did not feel safe.

No physical harm came to me or my family in either situation.
I prefer to live in a white community.
Does that mean I'm racist?

Some might say so.

The way I look at it is this: When I'm in a white community I never had a group of (young) people come up to the house I was living in. Help themselves to the porch. Drink some 40oz beers. Refuse to leave until the cops were called. I never had to deal with groups of thugs walking down the streets at all times of the night up to no good where I feared my car would be broken into almost nightly. Drug houses across the street, and who knows what else. (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Pope...t,+Minneapolis,+Minnesota+55408-3025&t=m&z=15, https://maps.google.com/maps?q=45.013178,-93.286206&hl=en&num=1&t=m&z=15)

When I lived in an apartment, these people would be bumping their music and having parties every single night of the week in some apartment around me. When I had to work, this was very hard for me to cope. Someone called the cops, and the next morning had a threat taped to my door about how us "white people" called the cops on them, and they'd get us back some day, even though we never called the cops. But we got blamed for it, because we were white no less. (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=phea...New+Hope,+Hennepin+County,+Minnesota&t=m&z=14)

Some might say if these people had jobs, they wouldn't be dong this. But others think they don't want jobs and prefer to do this, including me.

Does that mean I'm racist if I choose not to live in that type of culture?

Maybe its the unemployment, but I'm more convinced it has nothing to do with economics. In white communities, whites have a better tendency to self police. If someone is up to no good, they call the cops or do something about it themselves (go up to the persons door and tell them to quiet down). Most of the time white people are generally respectful to their neighbors. 1 out of 100 may not be, and maybe some young kids might have a party at certain times, but general, things are better behaved. Take poor white areas like trailer homes, and while they have higher drug/alcohol problems, they are still generally much safer than black communities.

Do we focus on the minority and say "They are not all like that!" If 50 out of 100 pit bulls attack. Do we go around saying "But not all pit bulls are like that! I once knew a pit bull that did not attack." Or do we assume there is going to be an attack at some point and avoid the dog all together? Is the black community doing anything here to change this perception? This is the perception. If they don't like it, they need to do something to change it.

Is it racist to want to avoid it?

Bottom line. Until the black community wants to do some self policing. I don't see white flight ever going away. Until white flight ends we will continue to have poor inner cities, and rich suburbs. Whites have the money and they don't want to be around blacks. So of course none of that money will end up with the blacks if we have cultural boundaries.

Take away selling drugs, blacks would have no wealth to speak of. Which means we will continue to have gangs and the sale of drugs in the inner cities. Which means crime and the cycle repeats. Honestly, their only option is gangs and drugs. Because their culture has approved of it, and has not attempted to fix or change it, except for a small minority of their people who fight against that culture, but are in general, ignored by the rest.

The government continues to dump money into inner cities to rejuvenate the areas and hope whites move back. But almost in every instance, it fails and ends up being a waste of money. Whites don't want to be part of that culture. And are avoiding it. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brookdale_Mall)

The funny this is this: I don't honestly know of any white racists. The whites I know who avoid blacks or talk negatively about them has everything to do with the black culture, and nothing to do with their skin color.

Whatever the case may be, this is a black problem that they need to fix.

Pretty much this.