[BitsAndChips]390X ready for launch - AMD ironing out drivers - Computex launch

[VulgarDisplay]

Does this slide look like a disappointment in the making to anyone else? If the 300 series was really gaining the architectural improvements claimed earlier in this thread (i.e. > Maxwell performance/watt), then wouldn't AMD be pimping that pretty hard in their slide for 2015? The bullet for 2x efficiency being in 2016 makes me leery.

Most press releases deal in fiscal years which usually start in like August or September.

 

[Elfear]

Most press releases deal in fiscal years which usually start in like August or September.

I wish that were the case but for AMD the fiscal year and calendar year are one and the same.

AMD’s fiscal year follows the standard calendar year. Fiscal quarters for the 2014 year (exact dates are adjusted early).

 

[LTC8K6]

R9 285 is a crippled Tonga, so there is room for a normal Tonga core.

 

[digitaldurandal]

R9 285 is a crippled Tonga, so there is room for a normal Tonga core.

So the OEM 380 is the R9 285 essentially, assuming that retail 380 is the same is 380X full Tonga? If so, where is Hawaii? I think a 290 would be a better 380X, the 285 is meh.

Will Fiji be 390X and Hawaii 390? They released information on the worst cards.

 

[Udgnim]

Does this slide look like a disappointment in the making to anyone else? If the 300 series was really gaining the architectural improvements claimed earlier in this thread (i.e. > Maxwell performance/watt), then wouldn't AMD be pimping that pretty hard in their slide for 2015? The bullet for 2x efficiency being in 2016 makes me leery.

I interpreted the 2x efficiency as 28nm > 14nm = 2x efficiency!

 

[boozzer]

Does this slide look like a disappointment in the making to anyone else? If the 300 series was really gaining the architectural improvements claimed earlier in this thread (i.e. > Maxwell performance/watt), then wouldn't AMD be pimping that pretty hard in their slide for 2015? The bullet for 2x efficiency being in 2016 makes me leery.

well computex is only 3 weeks away right? we will find out for sure. if perf/watt stay the same, it will hurt their mobile gpu sales alot.

 

[3DVagabond]

well computex is only 3 weeks away right? we will find out for sure. if perf/watt stay the same, it will hurt their mobile gpu sales alot.

There's a lot of room in between what cloudfire777 was reporting and staying the same.

 

[EndlessWargasm]

GCN certainly doesn't need 2x efficiency to catch up or even surpass maxwell.

 

[DownTheSky]

I'm gonna agree with Cloudfire. Anything else doesn't make sense.

 

[biostud]

AMD's upcoming Radeon R9 390X graphics cards will ship in two SKUs - an air-cooled one, with a moderately long reference design board (though not as long as the R9 290X), and a new Water-Cooled Edition (WCE) SKU, which will feature a very compact PCB - one that could be no bigger than that of the GeForce GTX 970 reference. This is possible because of AMD's HBM implementation. The 8 GB of memory on this card is present on the GPU package, as bare 3D-stacked DRAM dies, surrounding the GPU die, with an IHS covering everything; rather than the GPU package being surrounded by memory chips. Other specs on hand so far, include 4,096 GCN 1.2 stream processors, 256 TMUs, 128 ROPs, and a 4096-bit wide HBM interface, which at 1.25 GHz memory clock, will offer memory bandwidth of 640 GB/s.

While Fiji package will be bigger than that of, say, "Hawaii," overall the setup is more space-efficient, and conserves PCB real-estate. The PCB hence only has the GPU package and the VRM. AMD is doing away with the DVI connector on its reference PCB. It will only feature three DisplayPort 1.2a and one HDMI 2.0a. The WCE variant will feature a pump+block covering the GPU package, which will come factory-fitted to a 120 x 120 mm radiator. The air-cooled R9 390X will be longer, but only to house a heatsink and lateral blower. The single-GPU card could offer performance comparable to the dual-GPU R9 295X2, which is faster than the GeForce GTX TITAN-X. AMD CEO Lisa Su, speaking at the Investor Day event, in New York, on 6th May, hinted that the product could launch on the sidelines of Computex 2015 (early June).

http://www.techpowerup.com/212332/a...s-gtx-970-reference-r9-295x2-performance.html

 

[3DVagabond]

No way it's going to match 295x2, is there?

 

[dangerman1337]

295X performance? Maybe I pulled buying 980 too early last night (unless WCCFTech which TechPowerUp got it from is BS)...

 

[ShintaiDK]

Does this slide look like a disappointment in the making to anyone else? If the 300 series was really gaining the architectural improvements claimed earlier in this thread (i.e. > Maxwell performance/watt), then wouldn't AMD be pimping that pretty hard in their slide for 2015? The bullet for 2x efficiency being in 2016 makes me leery.

Yep.

And looks like GCN development is more or less stopped. 2x Performance/Watt in 2016 going from 28nm to 14nm is simply due to a shrink(And not even impressive considering all the marketing talk for the node), while they had to box 2013-2015 in the same box to even list something useful.

We still have to see how much difference HBM does in the 390 series and what cards actually materialize. But I wouldnt get my hopes up since all other series are just rebrands and some even going backwards in the name of performance/watt. Aka 265=370. I cant imagine a massive delta between 380 and 390. And 380 is Tonga.

 

[Silverforce11]

No way it's going to match 295x2, is there?

Depends, if its got 8gb vram there's situations where Titan X comes close to R295X2, at 4K.

I personally am expecting this beast of a GPU to be ~15-20% faster than Titan X. That puts it into R295X2 level at 1440p and beyond it at 4k.

 

[Borealis7]

No DVI? that's going to be problematic for poeple like me with 120Hz monitors.
i know HDMI2.0/DP can do 1080P@120Hz so do they at least provide an adapter?

 

[Silverforce11]

We still have to see how much difference HBM does in the 390 series and what cards actually materialize. But I wouldnt get my hopes up since all other series are just rebrands and some even going backwards in the name of performance/watt. Aka 265=370. I cant imagine a massive delta between 380 and 390. And 380 is Tonga.

You sound so sure.

Did you choose to completely ignore the fact that OEM SKUs are different to retail SKUs? It should have been clear from NV & AMD's history of re-branding for OEMs.

 

[ShintaiDK]

You sound so sure.

Did you choose to completely ignore the fact that OEM SKUs are different to retail SKUs? It should have been clear from NV & AMD's history of re-branding for OEMs.

OEM and retail SKUs are often the same.

How much difference is there to the 7000 and 200 series SKUs, OEM vs retail? And do you think this would be any different with the 300 series?

 

[Silverforce11]

OEM and retail SKUs are often the same.

Didn't NV skip an entire generation naming scheme recently due to rebrands for OEMs/notebooks?

We still don't know what the SKUs AMD is planning on launching soon. You act like you KNOW it.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Didn't NV skip an entire generation naming scheme recently due to rebrands for OEMs/notebooks?

We still don't know what the SKUs AMD is planning on launching soon. You act like you KNOW it.

I think you completely miss the point. Do you really think AMD is launching 300 OEM series now and forward to june. If a new 400 series is coming right away?

 

[Silverforce11]

You don't know, I don't know. Let's not pretend to know.

Fact is, its launching soon. Let's wait and see.

Personally, I think its a mistake to rebadge Tonga & Hawaii as they currently are, these chips can't compete versus 960, 970 & 980.

But, if these are manufactured with GloFo's better 28nm process, offering improved efficiency, is that a rebadge?

Recall the 480 -> 580 refresh. A very different chip in terms of perf/w.

 

[Qwertilot]

Is there really 2 x just from the shrink to 14nm? NV don't seem to be claiming more than a 2 x increase in efficiency from Maxwell to Pascal and that'll have the die shrink and HBM at once.

Given this is marketing it is of course quite possible that's basically how AMD are reckoning their 2 x claim here

 

[Silverforce11]

Is there really 2 x just from the shrink to 14nm? NV don't seem to be claiming more than a 2 x increase in efficiency from Maxwell to Pascal and that'll have the die shrink and HBM at once.

Given this is marketing it is of course quite possible that's basically how AMD are reckoning their 2 x claim here

I think given all the info we lack of products launching next month, its way immature to start speculating for late 2016 products on an un-proven process.

 

[skipsneeky2]

295X performance? Maybe I pulled buying 980 too early last night (unless WCCFTech which TechPowerUp got it from is BS)...

God,this comment right here.I remember similar ones when the 290/290x was about to debute.A whole bunch of oh fudge i done screwed this up going Nvidia.It's ok buddy cause i had went 2gb 770 weeks before the 290 launch as i figured a Titan killer could have only been out of my price range. I was wrong and rightfully so.290 drops at $400 besting the Titan and running the same price as 770.

God i hope that is the case again here,Titan x killer.Need top tier performance at a more reasonable price.

 

[dacostafilipe]

I think you completely miss the point. Do you really think AMD is launching 300 OEM series now and forward to june. If a new 400 series is coming right away?

You are the one missing the point.

After talking about the 380 why on earth would they talk about a "future GPU" and not directly 390X if what's released in June has that name?

They did the exact same thing just before introducing the R9 2xx series with the HD 8000. Maybe they will introduce a new naming again?

 

[ShintaiDK]

You are the one missing the point.

After talking about the 380 why on earth would they talk about a "future GPU" and not directly 390X if what's released in June has that name?

They did the exact same thing just before introducing the R9 2xx series with the HD 8000. Maybe they will introduce a new naming again?

Wasnt there 9 months between 8000 and 200 series? (january 2013 vs october 2013).