Bioshock Infinite [HardOCP] Review

[SirPauly]

It's all good though over-all to me based on nVidia or AMD are very relevant and bring such passion to discussions!

 

[bluesquare07]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34898695&postcount=65

You claim NV drivers are so superior, yet the 680 and 7970G are neck and neck in this game. The other cards are pretty surprisingly close to their price/performance. This is in a game which favors nv (UE3).

You haven't demonstrated how they are better than the opponent, NV is losing overall in price/performance.

So you just keep trolling about some supposed superiority, yet you have nothing to back it up other than NV getting more fps in what 5 out of 20 games? What about the whole list of games where they are losing? (not being published yesterday is no excuse)

Heres the problem, you pretend like a win or two makes NV superior. They are losing overall (referring to 7970G to 680) in $/performance. The game bundles only make it moreso. Yes, they get this title (barely in said case), but you're the only one foolishly applying it across the board into something about a superior brand.

I guess you didnt bother reading my post, which addresses everything you just said. You can go back and read it over. Also, 7970ghz vs 680 is not the end all. There are far more cards to include. PS i lol'd at how you included 2560x1600 and not 1080p. fanboy much. Do you amd fanboys miss russian sensation? where he could write a 5 page novel response for you? LOL

 

[Rvenger]

I guess you didnt bother reading my post, which addresses everything you just said. You can go back and read it over. Also, 7970ghz vs 680 is not the end all. There are far more cards to include. PS i lol'd at how you included 2560x1600 and not 1080p. fanboy much. Do you amd fanboys miss russian sensation? where he could write a 5 page novel response for you? LOL

Look who's talking. Why don't you just quit threadcrapping eh?


Less of people like you here we will have more substance in the discussions.

 

[wand3r3r]

I guess you didnt bother reading my post, which addresses everything you just said. You can go back and read it over. Also, 7970ghz vs 680 is not the end all. There are far more cards to include. PS i lol'd at how you included 2560x1600 and not 1080p. fanboy much. Do you amd fanboys miss russian sensation? where he could write a 5 page novel response for you? LOL

Why not use 1280x1024? Enthusiasts are often at 120hz or 1440p/1600p.
Try make a goalpost that fits your agenda? Yeah for mid range 1080p is relevant and sure it's beneficial to see 1080p too but why on earth would you discount 1600p. (Rhetorical question)

How are Nv drivers superior?

I'm not am AMD fanboy like you are NVs. I follow facts. Not that you let them get in the way.

 

[bluesquare07]

Why not use 1280x1024? Enthusiasts are often at 120hz or 1440p/1600p.
Try make a goalpost that fits your agenda? Yeah for mid range 1080p is relevant and sure it's beneficial to see 1080p too but why on earth would you discount 1600p. (Rhetorical question)

How are Nv drivers superior?

I'm not am AMD fanboy like you are NVs. I follow facts. Not that you let them get in the way.

You included one but not the other, you should've included both, but instead included the one where 7970 is most ahead. That is why it was funny.

Here is how NV drivers are superior. Here are the facts. Try and dispute them.

Ok look. Take BF3 for an example (an old NV title), AC3 (a fairly new one) and the last 3 big AAA titles of (Crysis 3, Tomb Raider, bioshock).

First off, AC3 has performed terribly on AMD cards and still does. This is the most recent (or one of) NV titles. If you compare this to say Sleeping Dogs or Hitman Absolution, who have been known to give a lot better performance on AMD cards, NV has always been highly playable at the least. Performance has also increased dramatically in both, especially in Hitman.

Onto BF3. This title came out on October 25th, 2011. The GTX 680 came out March 22nd, 2012 and performed HIGHLY better than AMD until they finally somewhat caught up on October 22nd, 2012 when they released the never settle drivers. This is basically an ENTIRE YEAR of poor performance. After this, the game saw increases in performance for both camps, while it is currently about even. A whole year is a long time to wait, how exactly would you wait if you were an AMD user for that year? BF3 was biggest back then and not nearly as many people play it now. This is WITHOUT including gtx5xx and 6xxx series.

Now take a look at the recent 3 AAA titles. They are all performing better on NV hardware. Farcry 3 performs better on NV too, but i didn't include that because of all the game related issues to be fair. Tomb Raider was released on March 5th, 2013. This is a game that NV did not have access to and is an 'AMD title'. Not even 2 weeks later, on March 18th, 2013, NV releases a driver update, putting them ahead of amd again. Crystis 3 ran better on NV from the get-go. What has been AMD's response?

What is the next AAA title coming out ? Metro. NV title. You can bet your ass that NV will peform better in it too.
The whole point is how quickly NV addresses their issues with drivers and how long it takes AMD to address theirs.

Now can you please explain to me how AMD drivers are on par with NV ?

 

[Rvenger]

You included one but not the other, you should've included both, but instead included the one where 7970 is most ahead. That is why it was funny.

Here is how NV drivers are superior. Here are the facts. Try and dispute them.

Ok look. Take BF3 for an example (an old NV title), AC3 (a fairly new one) and the last 3 big AAA titles of (Crysis 3, Tomb Raider, bioshock).

First off, AC3 has performed terribly on AMD cards and still does. This is the most recent (or one of) NV titles. If you compare this to say Sleeping Dogs or Hitman Absolution, who have been known to give a lot better performance on AMD cards, NV has always been highly playable at the least. Performance has also increased dramatically in both, especially in Hitman.

Onto BF3. This title came out on October 25th, 2011. The GTX 680 came out March 22nd, 2012 and performed HIGHLY better than AMD until they finally somewhat caught up on October 22nd, 2012 when they released the never settle drivers. This is basically an ENTIRE YEAR of poor performance. After this, the game saw increases in performance for both camps, while it is currently about even. A whole year is a long time to wait, how exactly would you wait if you were an AMD user for that year? BF3 was biggest back then and not nearly as many people play it now. This is WITHOUT including gtx5xx and 6xxx series.

Now take a look at the recent 3 AAA titles. They are all performing better on NV hardware. Farcry 3 performs better on NV too, but i didn't include that because of all the game related issues to be fair. Tomb Raider was released on March 5th, 2013. This is a game that NV did not have access to and is an 'AMD title'. Not even 2 weeks later, on March 18th, 2013, NV releases a driver update, putting them ahead of amd again. Crystis 3 ran better on NV from the get-go. What has been AMD's response?

What is the next AAA title coming out ? Metro. NV title. You can bet your ass that NV will peform better in it too.
The whole point is how quickly NV addresses their issues with drivers and how long it takes AMD to address theirs.

Now can you please explain to me how AMD drivers are on par with NV ?

BF3 stutters like mad on my Titan. If I cap the frames at 59 fps, issues go away. Go over and check the Geforce forums and you will see other issues that this is an Nvidia wide issue, not just Titan. 306 series driver was smooth as butter. Now the 310.xx and up it seems they wanted to increase performance to beat the 12.11 Beta driver. This seemed to introduce latency, hence the stuttering I am experiencing. Funny how the Nvidia Fanboys miss when their cards have latency issues but they love to point out the AMD flaws. I am not a fanboy so please don't waste your time and accuse me. I just want to enjoy playing my games and I give both sides a fair shake. My point is that Nvidia has driver problems just as much as AMD.



http://www.overclock.net/t/1344795/bf3-stuttering/10
https://forums.geforce.com/default/...f3-fraps-confirms-310-xx-and-313-xx-drivers-/
http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=1810827&mpage=1
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/533215/sli-titans-not-very-smooth/

 

[wand3r3r]

So the superiority is in more FPS? You just disproved yourself. (See the list of games)

I like how you pick the few games nv has more fps. Hows that working for you?

You made the claim and fail to back it up by your own criteria.

Bf3, I agree Amd dropped the ball. So you also don't math either (years with 8 mos).

Done with responding to you, you've shown your blatant cherry picking.

It was your job to back up your claim which you clearly can't do. I didn't claim amd drivers are superior, you claimed they are inferior and just trolled yourself without data.








You cannot continue to use the word fanboyand accuse people of being fanboys.

This only serves to stir the pot and to keep the animosity high.

Please take the high road and find better words to support your arguments without all the name calling.


esquared
Anandtech Forum Director

 

[SirPauly]

How are Nv drivers superior?

For me, it was more about allowing tools and features for flexibility for gamers to decide based on their subjective taste, tolerance and threshold over the years. It may not be that important to the mainstream but personally appreciate these based on improving gaming experiences.

 

[blackened23]

What is the next AAA title coming out ? Metro. NV title. You can bet your ass that NV will peform better in it too.
The whole point is how quickly NV addresses their issues with drivers and how long it takes AMD to address theirs.

Now can you please explain to me how AMD drivers are on par with NV ?

Just to play devil's advocate: your assertion is not so clear cut at all. In fact, if history is any indication there's a good chance that Last light will run better on AMD - Despite being an nvidia TWIMTBP title, Metro 2033 is significantly faster on the AMD 7000 series compared to the GTX 600. IIRC, the 7970GE is faster or even to the Titan in this title, although that's from rough memory (I could be wrong). Keep in mind that Last Light is using the very same engine that Metro 2033 did - the 4A engine. That being the case, you can see the plausible conclusion based on the engine being used. But, I don't know. It can go either way.

There were other NV sponsored titles that ran better on AMD as well, including Dragon Age II at release. Crysis 1 and Crysis WH run way better on AMD hardware (7000) than the GTX 600. Anyway, like I said. Your assertions are not clear cut whatsoever. And that's okay: some games run better on AMD and some run better on nvidia. The only one gloating about it to my knowledge is you, but realize that the answer isn't so clear cut even with TWIMTBP titles. TWIMTBP certainly isn't a guarantee that it will run better, although there is a strong likelihood.

 

[blackened23]

For me, it was more about allowing tools and features for flexibility for gamers to decide based on their subjective taste, tolerance and threshold over the years. It may not be that important to the mainstream but personally appreciate these based on improving gaming experiences.

This is what I love about nvidia driver's. Now I've used AMD and I like their GPUs a lot(their CPUs are garbage, however). That being said, i'd have to agree with the flexible nature of nvidia software - I use nvidia inspector constantly and love it. In fact, i'd have a hard time switching just because i've grown so fond of it....

 

[Phynaz]

Here you go, overall idea does not change. http://ca.ign.com/articles/2013/03/07/nvidia-apologizes-for-poor-geforce-performance-in-tomb-raider

They faced problems, fixed it within 2 weeks.

Link is blocked at work. It took them longer to fix than two weeks, as they had the game before release as I said.

 

[SirPauly]

This is what I love about nvidia driver's. Now I've used AMD and I like their GPUs a lot(their CPUs are garbage, however). That being said, i'd have to agree with the flexible nature of nvidia software - I use nvidia inspector constantly and love it. In fact, i'd have a hard time switching just because i've grown so fond of it....

If developers can receive all the nifty tools and abilities; why not gamers?

Sometimes developers don't spend resources on enhancements, or take the time to implement them or take enough care for the PC platform; it's nice to see that there are attempts by the IHV's, pro-active enough to empower gamers through features and tools to improve their gaming titles and gaming experiences for older, current and near future titles.

 

[Phynaz]

For me, it was more about allowing tools and features for flexibility for gamers to decide based on their subjective taste, tolerance and threshold over the years. It may not be that important to the mainstream but personally appreciate these based on improving gaming experiences.

I agree with this. Nvidia certainly seems to expose more features in their drivers.

 

[thilanliyan]

Just to play devil's advocate: your assertion is not so clear cut at all. In fact, if history is any indication there's a good chance that Last light will run better on AMD - Despite being an nvidia TWIMTBP title, Metro 2033 is significantly faster on the AMD 7000 series compared to the GTX 600. IIRC, the 7970GE is faster or even to the Titan in this title, although that's from rough memory (I could be wrong). Keep in mind that Last Light is using the very same engine that Metro 2033 did - the 4A engine. That being the case, you can see the plausible conclusion based on the engine being used. But, I don't know. It can go either way.

There were other NV sponsored titles that ran better on AMD as well, including Dragon Age II at release. Crysis 1 and Crysis WH run way better on AMD hardware (7000) than the GTX 600. Anyway, like I said. Your assertions are not clear cut whatsoever. And that's okay: some games run better on AMD and some run better on nvidia. The only one gloating about it to my knowledge is you, but realize that the answer isn't so clear cut even with TWIMTBP titles. TWIMTBP certainly isn't a guarantee that it will run better, although there is a strong likelihood.

These are my thoughts too. Metro 2033 actually plays better on AMD hardware, hence it's not a guarantee that Last Light will run better on nV at launch. And there are other examples as you've pointed out.

 

[bluesquare07]

I give up talking to people on AMD headquarters. I realize this now - http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=34269
AMD fanboys lol...

 

[bluesquare07]

BF3 stutters like mad on my Titan. If I cap the frames at 59 fps, issues go away. Go over and check the Geforce forums and you will see other issues that this is an Nvidia wide issue, not just Titan. 306 series driver was smooth as butter. Now the 310.xx and up it seems they wanted to increase performance to beat the 12.11 Beta driver. This seemed to introduce latency, hence the stuttering I am experiencing. Funny how the Nvidia Fanboys miss when their cards have latency issues but they love to point out the AMD flaws. I am not a fanboy so please don't waste your time and accuse me. I just want to enjoy playing my games and I give both sides a fair shake. My point is that Nvidia has driver problems just as much as AMD.



http://www.overclock.net/t/1344795/bf3-stuttering/10
https://forums.geforce.com/default/...f3-fraps-confirms-310-xx-and-313-xx-drivers-/
http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=1810827&mpage=1
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/533215/sli-titans-not-very-smooth/

Good job avoding 99.9% of my post.

 

[bluesquare07]

Link is blocked at work. It took them longer to fix than two weeks, as they had the game before release as I said.

So then you should try reading it when you get the chance before posting again

 

[blackened23]

I give up talking to people on AMD headquarters. I realize this now - http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=34269
AMD fanboys lol...

I just clicked that link and I don't believe you read it fully. Additionally, you're still pointing fingers and calling people "fanboy" in a condescending manner -- Honestly, you sound like a child having a temper tantrum because you've thrown that nonsense around so much. Especially when you're doing the very same thing which bothers you so much. I've already calmly explained that you're being somewhat annoying with this.... I know that this term (fanboy) is not allowed at other forums when attacking another poster with it, and i'm not sure if it is here. But your shtick is getting old.

 

[bluesquare07]

I just clicked that link and I don't believe you read it fully. Additionally, you're still pointing fingers and calling people "fanboy" in a condescending manner -- Honestly, you sound like a petulant child because you've thrown that nonsense around so much. Especially when you're doing the very same thing which bothers you so much. I've already calmly explained that you're being somewhat annoying with this.... I know that this term (fanboy) is not allowed at other forums when attacking another poster with it, and i'm not sure if it is here. But your shtick is getting old.

Buddy whats getting old on these forums are the armies of amd fanboys denying everything. all you have to do is read the whole thread for a perfect example.

 

[Rvenger]

Buddy whats getting old on these forums are the armies of amd fanboys denying everything. all you have to do is read the whole thread for a perfect example.

How is this so old when you are new here? Really man, go troll elsewhere. When Nvidia users are arguing your post that obviously means you are blowing smoke. Do you work for Nvidia?

 

[Gikaseixas]

amd fanboys = your real target right blue?

you use this term a lot, your only aim is to start wars (judging by your short post history here which is 100% biased)

Should relax a bit, it's just hardware

 

[MrK6]

How is this so old when you are new here? Really man, go troll elsewhere. When Nvidia users are arguing your post that obviously means you are blowing smoke. Do you work for Nvidia?

Probably just a previously banned account.

 

[Keysplayr]

Buddy whats getting old on these forums are the armies of amd fanboys denying everything. all you have to do is read the whole thread for a perfect example.

He sees it.

 

[Red Hawk]

There were other NV sponsored titles that ran better on AMD as well, including Dragon Age II at release. Crysis 1 and Crysis WH run way better on AMD hardware (7000) than the GTX 600. Anyway, like I said. Your assertions are not clear cut whatsoever. And that's okay: some games run better on AMD and some run better on nvidia. The only one gloating about it to my knowledge is you, but realize that the answer isn't so clear cut even with TWIMTBP titles. TWIMTBP certainly isn't a guarantee that it will run better, although there is a strong likelihood.

Dragon Age II was an AMD sponsored title, not a Nvidia sponsored title.

Good job avoding 99.9% of my post.

The irony of this statement is deafening. But hey, good job completely derailing your own thread.

 

[Zanovar]

He sees it.

im curious -highlander music-who is the one keys!