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Biden moves to mandate vaccines for large part of workforce

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I think this article is correct that religious exemptions are going to cause a lot of issues with mandates. You should not be able to claim exemptions from laws that apply to everyone just because you claim your sky fairy tells you too, especially when no major religion is anti-vax, and fringe ones don't make up 25% of the population.


www.theguardian.com

Religious exemptions threaten to undermine US Covid vaccine mandates

In California, hundreds of public employees make claims as Christian legal group offers template exemption letter
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
Zorba said:
I think this article is correct that religious exemptions are going to cause a lot of issues with mandates. You should not be able to claim exemptions from laws that apply to everyone just because you claim your sky fairy tells you too, especially when no major religion is anti-vax, and fringe ones don't make up 25% of the population.


www.theguardian.com

Religious exemptions threaten to undermine US Covid vaccine mandates

In California, hundreds of public employees make claims as Christian legal group offers template exemption letter
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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I honestly cannot think of any religion other than Christian Scientists whose scripture/doctrine preclude vaccines. And that one only because it precludes all medical care. So far as I can tell, all "religious exemptions" are bullshit.
 
woolfe9998 said:
I honestly cannot think of any religion other than Christian Scientists whose scripture/doctrine preclude vaccines. And that one only because it precludes all medical care. So far as I can tell, all "religious exemptions" are bullshit.
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The reason why these religious exemptions will fail is they aren't consistent. Most of the people who are claiming them are vaccinated against many other diseases. Some people claim issues use of fetal stem cells for vaccine research but many many medications people take also were created with the same technology. The reality is these claims are basically made up, last ditch attempts to avoid having to get with the program and any good judge should throw most of them out.

When you're filing a religious exemption with a church by getting a random guy to write you a letter, but you don't belong to that church or practice its beliefs or know or accept its other tenets, its kind of hard to take it seriously.

Zorba said:
My mom's company announced their vaccine mandate last week and being the HR director she gets to read the exemption requests. First one claimed that injections are the mark of the beast, I told her to ask the person if that means they do dental work without numbing.
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yeah I've heard this one too. its funny because it shows how little these asshats actually know about their religion. The mark of the beast occurs years after the rapture when the anti-christ is running rampant on earth during the apocalypse. So basically its odd that this religious woman is more concerned about getting a shot in the arm and less concerned that she missed the single most important event in Christian theology. She's concerned about an injection and not concerned that she is almost 100% certain to burn in hell since she was left behind and abandoned by God himself .
 
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Sunburn74 said:
The reason why these religious exemptions will fail is they aren't consistent. Most of the people who are claiming them are vaccinated against many other diseases. Some people claim issues use of fetal stem cells for vaccine research but many many medications people take also were created with the same technology. The reality is these claims are basically made up, last ditch attempts to try and get with the program and any good judge should throw most of them out.

When you're filing a religious exemption with a church by getting a random guy to write you a letter, but you don't belong to that church or practice its beliefs or know or accept its other tenets, its kind of hard to take it seriously.
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The problem is, most companies are likely to just accept whatever bullshit excuse is given to them.
 
woolfe9998 said:
I honestly cannot think of any religion other than Christian Scientists whose scripture/doctrine preclude vaccines. And that one only because it precludes all medical care. So far as I can tell, all "religious exemptions" are bullshit.
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Jehovah Witnesses don't believe in transfusions, but not sure what other crap they believe.
 
hal2kilo said:
Jehovah Witnesses don't believe in transfusions, but not sure what other crap they believe.
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That belief specifically refers to a couple of bible passages which forbid "eating blood." Does not implicate vaccination. It's obviously debatable whether "eating blood" even implicates blood transfusion, which is why no other religion using the same scripture agrees.

But at least there is a question of interpretation there. For vaccinations, there's just nothing.
 
Really, I don't get those religious exemptions based on scripture. What's so goddamn great about the bible? Or Koran, which borrows plenty from former scripture. It's a fairy tale that God approves the bible, Allah the koran, there's no proof at all, even if you believe in some form of god, God, whatever. I'm against any religious exemptions for vaccinations, mask wearing... All that stuff is mostly a smoke screen.
 
Muse said:
Really, I don't get those religious exemptions based on scripture. What's so goddamn great about the bible? Or Koran, which borrows plenty from former scripture. It's a fairy tale that God approves the bible, Allah the koran, there's no proof at all, even if you believe in some form of god, God, whatever. I'm against any religious exemptions for vaccinations, mask wearing... All that stuff is mostly a smoke screen.
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Other than The Church of WhatsHappeningNow, and Christian Scientists, where is it in their scripture, or church/temple canons?
 
5th circuit just put a temporary stay on the mandate (which was supposed to take effect in January)
www.politico.com

Federal court blocks Biden administration's vaccination mandate

The states of Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina and Utah are among the plaintiffs.
www.politico.com www.politico.com

Per the court ""Because the petitions give cause to believe there are grave statutory and constitutional issues with the Mandate, the Mandate is hereby STAYED pending further action by this court," a panel of judges for the New Orleans-based Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled Saturday. "

This is the same group of judges who let the abortion case go through without any sort of stay and upheld it despite its direct conflict with US constitutional law. The abortion case that the first judge called grossly unconstitutional in a formal ruling. The one that created a novel scheme to allow states to essentially void the bill of rights.

Honestly can we do something about the fifth circuit already? Its a joke.
 
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hal2kilo said:
Other than The Church of WhatsHappeningNow, and Christian Scientists, where is it in their scripture, or church/temple canons?
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Some have (or claim to have) objections based on the fact that immortalized cell lines originally taken from aborted fetuses were used in the testing of the mRNA vaccines and the production of the J and J vaccine. Here is an article https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/y...covid-19-vaccines-contain-aborted-fetal-cells.

Edit: personally, I agree with the article that even if one is strongly against abortion, the fact that no more fetal tissue is being taken and the huge benefits of the vaccine more than justifies the use of the cell lines. However, I can somewhat understand this objection, at least more than the "govt cant tell me what to do" or "not putting something unknown in my body" objections.
 
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ondma said:
Some have (or claim to have) objections based on the fact that immortalized cell lines originally taken from aborted fetuses were used in the testing of the mRNA vaccines and the production of the J and J vaccine. Here is an article https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/y...covid-19-vaccines-contain-aborted-fetal-cells.

Edit: personally, I agree with the article that even if one is strongly against abortion, the fact that no more fetal tissue is being taken and the huge benefits of the vaccine more than justifies the use of the cell lines. However, I can somewhat understand this objection, at least more than the "govt cant tell me what to do" or "not putting something unknown in my body" objections.
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Except those cell lines are used in the testing of all modern medicine. Including the hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin studies all the antivaxers cling to as proof of a "cure." Also used for the antibody treatments they all flock to when they do get covid.
 
Zorba said:
Except those cell lines are used in the testing of all modern medicine. Including the hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin studies all the antivaxers cling to as proof of a "cure." Also used for the antibody treatments they all flock to when they do get covid.
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Do you have links to those uses? Not trying to be argumentative, but I have worked with cell lines, and am curious how they are used in antibody and drug production.
 
ondma said:
Do you have links to those uses? Not trying to be argumentative, but I have worked with cell lines, and am curious how they are used in antibody and drug production.
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www.webmd.com

Some Medications Also Tied to Religious Vaccine Exemption

A hospital system in Arkansas is requiring employees to confirm that they won’t use common medications — such as Tylenol, Tums, and Preparation H — to receive a religious exemption for the COVID-19 vaccine.
www.webmd.com www.webmd.com
 
ondma said:
Do you have links to those uses? Not trying to be argumentative, but I have worked with cell lines, and am curious how they are used in antibody and drug production.
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If you want to test something on human cells but don't want to use actual people, you use a cell line. Its pretty simple.
Even more so lots of basic biology that we needed to learn in order to develop treatments came from cell line research even if the final drug wasn't tested with a cell line of some sort.

Like the article the other guy linked, common meds like aspirin and tylenol are linked to this sort of research. If you want to test something on human cells but don't want to use actual people, you use a cell line.
 
Zorba said:
I think this article is correct that religious exemptions are going to cause a lot of issues with mandates. You should not be able to claim exemptions from laws that apply to everyone just because you claim your sky fairy tells you too, especially when no major religion is anti-vax, and fringe ones don't make up 25% of the population.


www.theguardian.com

Religious exemptions threaten to undermine US Covid vaccine mandates

In California, hundreds of public employees make claims as Christian legal group offers template exemption letter
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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I like the way the military is handling them. Basically if this is your first exemption request, and you've gotten all the other ones, you're getting auto-denied. The Navy for example, has only granted one (so far).

And if this is your first enlistment, you'll lose your GI Bill with an OTH discharge.
 
dainthomas said:
I like the way the military is handling them. Basically if this is your first exemption request, and you've gotten all the other ones, you're getting auto-denied. The Navy for example, has only granted one (so far).

And if this is your first enlistment, you'll lose your GI Bill with an OTH discharge.
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What template could they possibly be using. Creative Christianity?
 

The fifth circuit blocked the biden mandate. They claim it''s an overreach and too broad. Likely will go to the SCOTUS who will probably uphold it if they are choosing to be consistent but who knows.

The first circuit is a just a joke a court. Its basically become a rubber stamp for GOP politics and tactics.
www.texastribune.org

Under Trump, the 5th Circuit is becoming even more conservative

The 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which hears cases from Texas, Mississippi and Louisiana, has already welcomed five new judges under President Donald Trump.
www.texastribune.org www.texastribune.org
 
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