Biden moves to mandate vaccines for large part of workforce

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Saylick

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Just my $0.02, but now that vaccination has proven to be successful in significantly reducing the risk of hospitalization and death, I think it's time to dump the mask and vaccine mandates, and let Darwin sort it out.
Does that include giving hospital care for those who are not vaccinated but contract COVID?
 

Sunburn74

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Just my $0.02, but now that vaccination has proven to be successful in significantly reducing the risk of hospitalization and death, I think it's time to dump the mask and vaccine mandates, and let Darwin sort it out.
That would be great except you and I end up paying the price. Not only do vaccinated people end up paying for unvaccinated people to be treated in hospitals but also if you're vaccinated and get sick of something else (let's say a car accident), you may die because hospital resources are overstretched because of the unvaccinated idiots.


Now if there was a rule that unvaccinated people would not receive Medicare and medicaid coverage for illness with private insurers following suit, that would be great.
 

weblooker2021

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I think you have a very weak grasp regarding the point of the injunction.
Initial injunction was affirmed. I am not seeing any ruling that 5th circuit issues after argument to change anything. I am also not seeing 6th circuit and SCOTUS changing the directions either. So ultimately injunction and ruling will result in the same action which is to keep the order from having any power.
 

Vic

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Does that include giving hospital care for those who are not vaccinated but contract COVID?
I think we should leave it to the insurers as to whether or not they should pay out for care that could have reasonably been avoided.
 
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weblooker2021

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No reason why an exception can't be made to deny claims for the voluntary unvaccinated who require COVID. Consequences should be real.
Sure an exception can be made if Congresses passes that but we both know that will never happen.
 

sportage

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While things are getting better and people are acquiring their antibodies, with the smart people acquiring their antibodies via the vaccines, and the lesser intelligent people acquiring their antibodies via actually getting sick from the Covid then recovering thus hopefully....?
As with most everything in life, you have the easy way and then you have the hard way. I preferred the easy way via a simple shot in the arm, where as I personally know of many people who refused the vaccine then got very sick from catching Covid, and months later after recovering they still to this day suffer lingering fever with ongoing fatigue, heart issues with abnormally rapid pulse, and blood pressure issues where none existed before.

This stubborn bone headed attitude from some people who must always do it the hard way, and allowing people to get away with that attitude, could be the downfall of humanity itself should a more deadly Covid variant emerge or an entirely new extremely contagious and extremely deadly virus pop up on the world scene. The Covid idiots are just damn lucky that this covid virus is not deadlier than it has been, and has not killed children as it has killed the elderly and the immune compromised. This Covid could have been a lot worse with millions of parents grieving their dead children. Luckily, that did not happen... no thanks to the antiVaxers and anti maskers. Next time humanity may not be so lucky, and that too thanks to the idiotic Covid deniers.

When does the government along with the health agencies have the obligation to vaccinate and or to mask It's citizens? Where is the line between a lot of deaths vs the potential demise of all humanity? Can society allow the Karen's out there to make that decision?
 

Vic

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Biden or any other president can't change law using executive order. Court will slap it down very quickly as they should.
Why should anti-vaxxers worry when there are cheap and effective remedies like Ivermectin? And that work better than the vaccine? COVID is a hoax with a low mortality rate anyway, right? And the ACA is socialized medicine to boot, according to conservatives, so why do they need big govt forcing private insurers to protect them from their own consequences?
 
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weblooker2021

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Why should anti-vaxxers worry when there are cheap and effective remedies like Ivermectin? And that work better than the vaccine? COVID is a hoax with a low mortality rate anyway, right? And the ACA is socialized medicine to boot, according to conservatives, so why do they need big govt forcing private insurers to protect them from their own consequences?
So now that you don't like it you want to repeal it? You made the bed now it's time to sleep in it. Don't try to change the rules because you no longer like them.
 

Vic

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So now that you don't like it you want to repeal it? You made the bed now it's time to sleep in it. Don't try to change the rules because you no longer like them.
I didn't say I didn't like any rules. What I don't like are hypocritical jackasses who talk ceaselessly about how they don't like socialism and how everyone needs to accept the consequences of their actions, and then run to the protection of big govt at the mere prospect of consequence for their childishness.
 

Vic

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I've said it before, I'll say it again. Antivaxxers are like people who drive without car insurance because everyone else has full coverage. If the risk/benefit analysis is such that the risk of the disease is comparable to the risk of the vaccine, then they don't get vaccinated. But the only way the risk of the disease can drop that low is if everyone else is vaccinated.
IOW anti-vaxxers are social deadbeats. They want everyone else to pay so they don't have to pay anything at all.
 

weblooker2021

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I didn't say I didn't like any rules. What I don't like are hypocritical jackasses who talk ceaselessly about how they don't like socialism and how everyone needs to accept the consequences of their actions, and then run to the protection of big govt at the mere prospect of consequence for their childishness.
I've said it before, I'll say it again. Antivaxxers are like people who drive without car insurance because everyone else has full coverage. If the risk/benefit analysis is such that the risk of the disease is comparable to the risk of the vaccine, then they don't get vaccinated. But the only way the risk of the disease can drop that low is if everyone else is vaccinated.
IOW anti-vaxxers are social deadbeats. They want everyone else to pay so they don't have to pay anything at all.
No problem get congress to change the law and insurance can change the coverage.
 

zinfamous

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I think we should leave it to the insurers as to whether or not they should pay out for care that could have reasonably been avoided.

I care less about their personal cost than when these fucking goblins take up a bed that an actual patient with a serious, chronic illness needs.
 

weblooker2021

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Appeals court lets Biden administration enforce vaccine rules for large employers"llink

I assume we are now of to SCOTUS appeal, will see what they say.
 

NWRMidnight

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Appeals court lets Biden administration enforce vaccine rules for large employers"llink

I assume we are now of to SCOTUS appeal, will see what they say.
Funny you post this in bold large type when you are the one going around saying it won't make it thru the courts.. Of course, you think it is because you think the SCOTUS is going to block it... They won't! I will be surprised if they will even take the case.
 
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