Biden Considering Filibuster Exception for Voting Rights

[sportage]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1481683332861763584

I've been paying more attention to Rep Ruben Gallego, and I always wondered whom of the democrats would fill the gap left by the Ted Kennedy's and the Paul Wellstone's.

 

[Brainonska511]

She's just a trash human being. Can't believe she used to be Green Party.

I can believe it: The Green Party has a long history of trying to stick a knife into the Democratic Party.

 

[vi edit]

My biggest issue with breaking filibuster is I know the senate map. It's fucking bleak for Dems. Their majority right now is held together by bubble gum and duct tape. And it's not even the good duct tape. Knock the filibuster down and have fun when you are a minority power again.

 

[Franz316]

Democrats don't have a true majority so the odds of anything meaningful getting passed this year are slim to none. It's amazing how broken the Senate is.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Democrats don't have a true majority so the odds of anything meaningful getting passed this year are slim to none. It's amazing how broken the Senate is.

Yep, I get the feeling that everyone's just running out the clock until climate change kills us all.

 

[gothuevos]

My biggest issue with breaking filibuster is I know the senate map. It's fucking bleak for Dems. Their majority right now is held together by bubble gum and duct tape. And it's not even the good duct tape. Knock the filibuster down and have fun when you are a minority power again.

The sad irony is when the GOP nixes the filibuster to meet their needs next time they have control.

Although the way things are headed they may just win enough seats that they'll have a filibuster-proof majority.

 

[hal2kilo]

Meanwhile, some small hope.

Ohio Supreme Court throws out illegally gerrymandered map that would give GOP supermajorities | Salon.com

Republicans argued that voter-approved rules barring partisan gerrymandering were merely “aspirational”

 

[vi edit]

Meanwhile, some small hope.

Ohio Supreme Court throws out illegally gerrymandered map that would give GOP supermajorities | Salon.com

Republicans argued that voter-approved rules barring partisan gerrymandering were merely “aspirational”

Oh jeez. Now that's an argument.

 

[Toastedlightly]

Just curious, outside of mail in ballots, where in this country are you allowed to show up and vote without showing some sort of ID?

Vote in Minnesota that way.

 

[fskimospy]

The sad irony is when the GOP nixes the filibuster to meet their needs next time they have control.

Although the way things are headed they may just win enough seats that they'll have a filibuster-proof majority.

I would love for you to list the 10 seats you think Republicans are going to pick up to give them that majority.

 

[Brainonska511]

My biggest issue with breaking filibuster is I know the senate map. It's fucking bleak for Dems. Their majority right now is held together by bubble gum and duct tape. And it's not even the good duct tape. Knock the filibuster down and have fun when you are a minority power again.

We saw what happens when that's the case in the Trump years. Republicans had no problems changing rules for their priorities.

 

[fskimospy]

My biggest issue with breaking filibuster is I know the senate map. It's fucking bleak for Dems. Their majority right now is held together by bubble gum and duct tape. And it's not even the good duct tape. Knock the filibuster down and have fun when you are a minority power again.

lol - were you guys awake in 2017? The filibuster didn't save anything, Republicans couldn't even get 50 votes for anything in their agenda other than tax cuts for rich people.

The way things are now the filibuster is already gone for the things Republicans care about. You only need 50 votes to cut taxes but you need 60 votes to expand health care availability. Oh and if you do expand health care availability with 60 votes? Well, Republicans only need 50 votes to strip all the funding for it.

'We should have a system that prevents parties from enacting their agenda because they might do something we don't like' is a terrible way to look at this. Parties who are elected to govern should be able to do so and the voters can then decide if they like it or not. As it stands now, parties are given power by the voters and then can't do anything with it.

 

[cytg111]

The entirety of human history is a pretty good indicator that plenty of people do not view justice as a particularly high priority or at a minimum radically disagree on what justice is.

Yea, justice is food on my table, if that means no food on yours, so be it.
Somewhere along the line that transitioned into

"If me driving a 6.0 V8 instead of a 5.5 V8 means no food on your table, so be it".

Its amazing what we'll spend resources on for ourselves while our actual neighbor is starving to death.

Once you've come to terms with this fact and settled it in your mind, then you'll really be able to gut people for everything they have.

 

[eelw]

OB Won Kanobi, there is still hope.
Hope that Americans are listening, and are outraged over what is happening with Sinema and Manchin, with the majority of Americans wanting BBB and wanting voter rights bills to happen, thus.... voters will go against the grain and come out to support democrats in the midterms.

The media believes democrats are doomed. The congressional republicans believe democrats are doomed. All of them believe democrats are doomed in the midterms. But I don't think so. There is time for voters to come to their senses and reward democrats in the house and senate with more seats. Making Sinema and Manchin moot. We could get our BBB and voter rights, not in 2022 but in 2023. If the voters will allow this, by voting heavily democrat in 2022, then not only will we get the Biden agenda in 2023 but also an easy slide to capturing 2024. Think of it.... under that scenario Donald Trump would not dare run In 2024. Then, finally, we could be done with Donald Trump. FOREVER MORE.

I get why independents may not approve Biden’s currently. But yeah I really don’t see the doom and gloom that they will somehow vote R in November.

Bipartisanship is overrated. And removing the filibuster would probably enhance bipartisan cooperation, as you could probably convince a few Republican senators to break ranks for selected issues. As it stands, getting 10 to break rank is nearly impossible.

But all this talk of rule change. Why wasn’t the standing filibuster implemented immediately when the Dems took control of the senate?

 

[sportage]

My biggest issue with breaking filibuster is I know the senate map. It's fucking bleak for Dems. Their majority right now is held together by bubble gum and duct tape. And it's not even the good duct tape. Knock the filibuster down and have fun when you are a minority power again.

So what? Vote even more republicans into office come the midterms? Do we need more republicans? Is this what we need? Like with gun violence, are more guns the answer? More guns? More republicans? Haha hahahaha

Never run to a hornets nest when being chased by hornets.

 

[K1052]

It’s kind of funny that those defending the filibuster are essentially arguing that it would be bad if the people the voters elected got to enact their agenda.

The appeals that the filibuster is somehow saving the country from wild swings in policy when the legislative branch has just essentially outsourced those actions to the executive and the court (who people don't even vote for) is some pretty insane bullshit.

 

[soulcougher73]

Does anyone here agree with Beau that this is a win/win for Democrats based on his video?

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Even if they get voting rights written into law again the republican supreme court will overturn it. If they can ignore 100+ years of precedent on vaccine mandates they can ignore anything else they want.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Democrats don't have a true majority so the odds of anything meaningful getting passed this year are slim to none. It's amazing how broken the Senate is.

Senate was designed to be broken from the beginning.

 

[fskimospy]

Even if they get voting rights written into law again the republican supreme court will overturn it. If they can ignore 100+ years of precedent on vaccine mandates they can ignore anything else they want.

I've been saying this for a long time. People really underestimate the extent to which the Supreme Court will just invalidate any major laws the Democrats pass. Doesn't matter how ludicrous the legal premise is - they consider themselves to be a super legislature at this point.

 

[vi edit]

Senate was designed to be broken from the beginning.

I wouldn't say broken. It was a built in pause and more civil chamber in contrast to the looney toon house.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

I wouldn't say broken. It was a built in pause and more civil chamber in contrast to the looney toon house.

I probably shouldn't say broken, it has been very effective in suppressing democracy for centuries now.

 

[sportage]

I ask....
WHY would it seem that ONLY DEMOCRATS have to suffer this Charlie Brown syndrome? Never ending doom and gloom. Nothing ever works out as planned. Democrats win the presidency, win the house, win the senate, and then Lucy comes along to pull away the football. Poor Charlie Brown, poor democrats. Democrats were all hyped to kick that football to the moon, then... along comes two senate democrats to pull the football away. And the Biden agenda spins on its head as we hear a loud AAUGH!!!

Yet.... on the other side, the republican side, republicans always find their legal quirks and little loopholes or some obscure rule or twisted procedure or find a way to pervert the process to allow them to do whatever the fuck they like.
Take the Jan 6 committee or the two Trump impeachment hearings, people were subpoenaed and republicans simply ignored them. A legitimate legal order to appear before a court or judge, and republicans simply ignore it all, AND.... got away with it. AGAIN, republicans get away with it.
Charlie Brown could never get away with this, or should I say democrats could never.
Just an observation.

 

[dainthomas]

My biggest issue with breaking filibuster is I know the senate map. It's fucking bleak for Dems. Their majority right now is held together by bubble gum and duct tape. And it's not even the good duct tape. Knock the filibuster down and have fun when you are a minority power again.

Don't deceive yourself. If McConnell wants something bad enough, he'll get rid of it anyway. Already happened with SC judges.

At least Dems could get something good out of it.

 

[HomerJS]

Fucking Sinema just scuttled Voting Rights. Cvnt. I'm beginning to think Dems maybe should have held up the debt ceiling unless Voting Rights is passed. I heard she was on her fucking phone almost the entire meeting.
Sinema says no to filibuster reform and scuttles Democrats’ voting rights hopes | US Senate | The Guardian