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Nebor

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Originally posted by: chowmein
Originally posted by: iamwiz82


I don't care about repair costs, thats why I have insurance (which IS cheaper than what a 22 year old driving a Civic pays).

btw civic also has better safety ratings than your bmw. and the insurance on it would be a lot cheaper, compared to a 22 yr old buying a bmw.

the badge alone already costs you a few extra bucks on ins.

No Honda is safer than any BMW. Don't kid yourself.

A BMW has a full steel roll cage with cross bars in the doors hidden behind it's curves. That's why a 3-series weighs in at 3200lbs. It's also got advanced crumple zone technology, automatic door unlock in a crash, automatic seat belt loosen in a crash, rear mounted battery for safety, etc.

You clearly have NO clue what you're talking about. The "engine channel" was pioneered by Volvo years ago. In the event of a severe collision, the engine mounts break away and the engine is guided down and under the car, rather that straight into the passenger compartment. This technology isn't widely used anymore because it's unneccesary with transversely mounted engines. But since BMW still does things the right way, with the right wheels, they use it. And it's a good idea.
 

brigden

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Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: chowmein
Originally posted by: iamwiz82


I don't care about repair costs, thats why I have insurance (which IS cheaper than what a 22 year old driving a Civic pays).

btw civic also has better safety ratings than your bmw. and the insurance on it would be a lot cheaper, compared to a 22 yr old buying a bmw.

the badge alone already costs you a few extra bucks on ins.

No Honda is safer than any BMW. Don't kid yourself.

A BMW has a full steel roll cage with cross bars in the doors hidden behind it's curves. That's why a 3-series weighs in at 3200lbs. It's also got advanced crumple zone technology, automatic door unlock in a crash, automatic seat belt loosen in a crash, rear mounted battery for safety, etc.

You clearly have NO clue what you're talking about. The "engine channel" was pioneered by Volvo years ago. In the event of a severe collision, the engine mounts break away and the engine is guided down and under the car, rather that straight into the passenger compartment. This technology isn't widely used anymore because it's unneccesary with transversely mounted engines. But since BMW still does things the right way, with the right wheels, they use it. And it's a good idea.

Actually, I'm pretty sure Citroen DS was the first car to feature an engine designed to slide beneath the car in the event of a collision.
 

Ryan

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Originally posted by: dandruff
Originally posted by: iversonyin
Originally posted by: TechnoKid
safety


How is a BMW safer than a Toyota?


Its apparent you have never opened a door of a bmw.


Also sir, you have more issues than just dissecting cars.


And I am very happy with my penis.


Sorry, but the sound of a door has nothing to do with how safe it is. If so, explain why the Japanese (Honda, Toyota, Subaru in particular) top nearly all of the safety tests?
 

chowmein

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i'lll give u the weight to weight safety, however your antiroll bars only sounds good on paper, and is no different from the front and rear A.R.B of a Civic.

"if you're not a BMW salesmen you are wasted."

if you like statistics: STATS

 

DanDrop

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Originally posted by: chowmein
you guys really wont admit it, you like the badge more than the car itself, its pretty obvious.

there is a reason why Japanese cars virtually dominate the american highways, simply b/c it is the more practical and cost efficient.

As for "Luxury," the general public tend to "go with what works" instead of actually believing that JDMs can make good luxury cars.

German cars are nothing more than buying a very elegant living room with wheels, and the engine as good as a jet ski. (super-over-exaggerating naturally)


I really do not understand where your animosity for German cars is coming from. Your over-generalized statement shows your closed mindedness on this subject.

Just in case you haven't figured it out, buying a car is not a one size fits all scenario whether it is a japanese or a german car. People buy based on their perception, experience, value and a whole host of other variables and in no particular order at a price they can REALISTICALLY afford. They may prioritize whatever factor they want, whether it is cost, service, perception etc because it is THEIR car and they will buy based on THEIR NEEDS.

If all you can afford is a Toyota Corolla or whatever Japanese car you decide, i respect that because it suits YOUR NEEDS. Just because you can't afford a german luxury vehicle or it doesn't fulfill your needs doesn't mean ALL german luxury cars are overpriced crap. You see, value and perception differs from each person and you can't impose your limited point of view on everybody.

Do you actually own a German luxury car or are you just spewing a lot of crap based on heresay?

A more similar comparison is like buying watches. Some are happy with with a chinese or japanese quartz watch, it tells the time and is pretty cheap to buy. To some other people however, it just does not cut it. People will be willing to spend more buy a better movement, quality of parts, to buy a watch that expresses their personality. Does that mean higher quality swiss/german made watches are crap too?
 

spliffstar69

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BEnZ, BMW, Audi owners Get in here.

Well since I?m here I will have to say it?s the Performance and styling,
some will argue you can find performance and looks for less.

I also think if anyone is really looking for staus symbols in a car you need to look at the owners of RR, Bentley's Maybach Ferrar ETC cause if you see me in a DB9 or Vanquish better believe its for more than getting me from point a-b.

 

RandomCoil

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Originally posted by: chowmein
if you like statistics: STATS

Finally! Real safety data. That makes for a fun read: the Honda Civic outscores the BMW 3-series. The 3-series even scores a "safety concern" in the driver side impact test. How much more does the 3-series cost again?
 

NutBucket

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Originally posted by: KPSHAH316
Originally posted by: chowmein
Originally posted by: KPSHAH316
with the cars i drive where can you get nice performance, a sharp interior, and A RETRACTABLE HARDTOP? SLK230

where can you get timeless styling, comfortable interior, nice turbo, and 30mpg+ consistently? E300TD.

I will counter your SLK230 with 350z

and E300TD with the RL.

you want to talk features, those cars are along the same lines.

350z-pfftt. If I want a kid's car I would get that.

SLK230-pfftt. If I want a girl's car I would get that.
 

chowmein

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i tell it like it is ... its pure facts. NO ONE can really justify exactly why they decide to purchase a 3-series or a C-class, over the more cheaper and relativity the same car, I.E Acura/Honda Toyota, Nissan, Etc.

i see a lot of people voted for "performance," that along proves they are completely ignornant and and bias towards german cars.

comparing watches to cars is apples and oranges. but if you to use that analogy, you have proven my point. YOU SUCKERS WILL BUY ANYTHING.

sure, it is a matter of taste ... but never common sense.

I have absolutely NOTHING against german cars. i just get annoyed at ignornant A$s people who compare their luxury sedan against my poor man's mid size sedans, and jusifty their superiority b/c they have "the badge"
 

spliffstar69

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Originally posted by: DanDrop
Originally posted by: chowmein
you guys really wont admit it, you like the badge more than the car itself, its pretty obvious.

there is a reason why Japanese cars virtually dominate the american highways, simply b/c it is the more practical and cost efficient.

As for "Luxury," the general public tend to "go with what works" instead of actually believing that JDMs can make good luxury cars.

German cars are nothing more than buying a very elegant living room with wheels, and the engine as good as a jet ski. (super-over-exaggerating naturally)


I really do not understand where your animosity for German cars is coming from. Your over-generalized statement shows your closed mindedness on this subject.

Just in case you haven't figured it out, buying a car is not a one size fits all scenario whether it is a japanese or a german car. People buy based on their perception, experience, value and a whole host of other variables and in no particular order at a price they can REALISTICALLY afford. They may prioritize whatever factor they want, whether it is cost, service, perception etc because it is THEIR car and they will buy based on THEIR NEEDS.

If all you can afford is a Toyota Corolla or whatever Japanese car you decide, i respect that because it suits YOUR NEEDS. Just because you can't afford a german luxury vehicle or it doesn't fulfill your needs doesn't mean ALL german luxury cars are overpriced crap. You see, value and perception differs from each person and you can't impose your limited point of view on everybody.

Do you actually own a German luxury car or are you just spewing a lot of crap based on heresay?

A more similar comparison is like buying watches. Some are happy with with a chinese or japanese quartz watch, it tells the time and is pretty cheap to buy. To some other people however, it just does not cut it. People will be willing to spend more buy a better movement, quality of parts, to buy a watch that expresses their personality. Does that mean higher quality swiss/german made watches are crap too?

well said :thumbsup:
 

Doggiedog

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Originally posted by: chowmein
i tell it like it is ... its pure facts. NO ONE can really justify exactly why they decide to purchase a 3-series or a C-class, over the more cheaper and relativity the same car, I.E Acura/Honda Toyota, Nissan, Etc.

i see a lot of people voted for "performance," that along proves they are completely ignornant and and bias towards german cars.

comparing watches to cars is apples and oranges. but if you to use that analogy, you have proven my point. YOU SUCKERS WILL BUY ANYTHING.

sure, it is a matter of taste ... but never common sense.

I have absolutely NOTHING against german cars. i just get annoyed at ignornant A$s people who compare their luxury sedan against my poor man's mid size sedans, and jusifty their superiority b/c they have "the badge"

Don't even put the 3 in the same class as the C. The C has always been a wannabe MB. BMW has made many small sport sedans which eventually evolved into the 3. Name me an equivalent Japanese car to a 3 and I'll show you a car that understeers and/or torque steers.

Sounds like you are the ignorant one if you are just going by price. There are many intangibles in cars obviously you have never owned or driven many if you don't understand this.




 

torpid

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Haha. The A4 weighs almost 1000 lbs more than the corolla, and is equally (if not more) safe according to the site posted. The camry is almost 500 lbs lighter as well. I'll take me in my a4 head on vs you in a corolla. I'll see you at your funeral.
 

NutBucket

Lifer
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Originally posted by: chowmein
your answer to the 325i

Unfortunately there's just too much power for FWD with that TL. As big of a Honda fanboi as I am I think only my parents would be satisfied by that car. I'd probably hit myself on the head for buying one the first time I got a good dose of torque steer.
 

Doggiedog

Lifer
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Originally posted by: chowmein
your answer to the 325i

My best friend has it and I've test driven the new TL.

TL/=325i

TL=Massive torque steer and is floaty.

Sure its nice and if I was looking for something comfortable it would top my list but it is a completely different car than a 3.




 

iamwiz82

Lifer
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Arguing with Jap fanboys is never going to get anywhere. Keep driving your cars, and we will keep driving ours.

 

chowmein

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Originally posted by: torpid
Haha. The A4 weighs almost 1000 lbs more than the corolla, and is equally (if not more) safe according to the site posted. The camry is almost 500 lbs lighter as well. I'll take me in my a4 head on vs you in a corolla. I'll see you at your funeral.

lets hit the same brick wall both going at 50 :)
 

Kishan

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I think I should just say, that I simply love the car I drive. Everytime I see it, I smile. I love driving it. I like telling others to come for a ride, even drive it, if I trust them. When I am iat work/class, I think-"Hey, I have the SLK/E today. The ride back should be fun." When I take the Camry, it is a totally different experience. But I also relaize that there is something better than what I have, so I should work harder to get that SL500/S Class/CL/7/Ferrari/Porsche/Rolls. No matter what, you shouldn't be satisfied. Hell, if you are satisfied with driving an econobox, enjoy. I'll never be. To each his own.
 

torpid

Lifer
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Originally posted by: chowmein
Originally posted by: torpid
Haha. The A4 weighs almost 1000 lbs more than the corolla, and is equally (if not more) safe according to the site posted. The camry is almost 500 lbs lighter as well. I'll take me in my a4 head on vs you in a corolla. I'll see you at your funeral.

lets hit the same brick wall both going at 50 :)

Well the test was at 35. I somehow doubt it's going to be markedly different at 50. Although it does appear that the newer corollas have better front crash protection than in the year of my car's model (2002).
 

DanDrop

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Originally posted by: chowmein
i tell it like it is ... its pure facts. NO ONE can really justify exactly why they decide to purchase a 3-series or a C-class, over the more cheaper and relativity the same car, I.E Acura/Honda Toyota, Nissan, Etc.

i see a lot of people voted for "performance," that along proves they are completely ignornant and and bias towards german cars.

comparing watches to cars is apples and oranges. but if you to use that analogy, you have proven my point. YOU SUCKERS WILL BUY ANYTHING.

sure, it is a matter of taste ... but never common sense.

I have absolutely NOTHING against german cars. i just get annoyed at ignornant A$s people who compare their luxury sedan against my poor man's mid size sedans, and jusifty their superiority b/c they have "the badge"


You are the one being ignorant. Your overgeneralized statements that german cars are crap and that those who buy it are just suckers. You make these baseless accusations when in fact YOU DON'T EVEN OWN a german car. To reach such a ridiculous conclusion based on hearsay and not your own actual experience of owning the said cars is total ignorance.

In an earlier thread you said your 'BEST ANALOGY' is like buying buying a Sony VAIO desktop vs building your own from parts bought on Newegg. Again, your ignorance shows.

1. You forget the fact that most computer users are not builders and would not even know where to begin if they even consider building one.

2. You do not take into account the time and effort for these people to build. To them, they would rather pay the price for a working out of the box computer than getting parts, which, BTW is a crapshoot and risk building a dud. They are WILLING TO PAY the premium because it is not worth their time and effort to build. If you build your own, that's great, but it does not mean that people who buy pre built lack common sense. In fact, it makes perfect sense to them because of the time/effort/aggravation they save outweighs the monetary savings.

3. If you screw up your build, do you have warranty? Who can you call for tech support (again, not all users are computer savvy)

Is that 'THE BEST ANALOGY' you can come up with??? Really? It doesn't even sound remotely like an apples to oranges comparison (more like apples to rocks) to me.

Not every advantage is measured monetarily. You can not just oversimplify and put monetary value on intangible factors such as the pleasure of owning these german luxury cars or ANY luxury item for that matter. It is called a luxury car for a reason you know.

I still contend that the experience of buying watches, especially the higher end ones is closer to buying luxury cars than your analogy of building computers. And how does this analogy prove your point that 'we suckers will buy anything'?

If were to give you a car for free, would you choose a corolla or an BMW M3? If i were to give you a watch for free, would you choose a Casio or a Patek? You see, people who buy the higher end goods have the CAPACITY and FINANCIAL ABILITY to do so. They can and will pay for tangible and intangible factors based on THEIR needs and wants, and not on factors YOU perceive to be important.

I am not knocking Japanese cars, i have not done so in my previous posts. In general, they are reliable cars. But it is not for everyone, like it is not for me. The same way that German cars are not for everyone. However, unlike you, i will not shove down to everybody's throat that japanese cars are utter crap and that they should save up for a german luxury car. Now that would be IGNORANT.

Do you have a hobby? Do you collect anything of value? It seems like you don't because you are not getting some points listed here.
 

chowmein

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why does it seem that you're attack me rather than my opinion and the actual debate. if you at all comprehend the english language:

"I have absolutely NOTHING against german cars. i just get annoyed at ignornant A$s people who compare their luxury sedan against my poor man's mid size sedans, and jusifty their superiority b/c they have "the badge"

if you were going to prove a point don't compare two different cars M3/Corolla, M3 is more in the class of G35/350z/Porsche911. Personally i would choose the G35.

getting back to my point, which you have interpret as vague. A fair share of people voted for Performance and Style. I'll go on the record and say as for style, german cars aren't bad. However, name three (3) german cars that dominates in its class in terms of performance.

also DanDrop, you seem like a very intelligent and knowledgeble indivdual. Please indugle us with the reason why you purchased your bmw, and what you feel are important NEEDS.

you have done nothing but attack my logic and reasoning. (btw i have driven a 92' 325 and a 00' 330 and my neighbor owns a z3) i not point a gun to anyone's head and say love JDMs, but please don't insult me by saying your overpriced "bmw/benz is better than honda/toyota." On paper alone, that statement is false. i never questioned personal reasons that contributed to the purchase of a german car.

are you really going to judge my character ?
 

Kishan

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Originally posted by: chowmein


if you were going to prove a point don't compare two different cars M3/Corolla, M3 is more in the class of G35/350z/Porsche911. Personally i would choose the G35.

M3=50k
G35/350Z=35k
911/997=70k

You have just proved to everyone you are a complete moron.

And the official:



PWn3D!
 

chowmein

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really are you 12? i said CLASS. which is COUPE. Had i said price range i would have included Crossfire/Vette/TT.

OMGHI2U u're 1337 PwN3D. At least Dandrop spoke to me as an adult. Take a seat boy.
 

DanDrop

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Originally posted by: chowmein
http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/chowmein/BMW_1.jpg

i must re-post this for you suckers who needs a badge to compensate for your penis'

Originally posted by: chowmein
you guys really wont admit it, you like the badge more than the car itself, its pretty obvious...

...German cars are nothing more than buying a very elegant living room with wheels, and the engine as good as a jet ski. (super-over-exaggerating naturally)

Originally posted by: chowmein
i tell it like it is ...
... i see a lot of people voted for "performance," that along proves they are completely ignornant and and bias towards german cars.

comparing watches to cars is apples and oranges. but if you to use that analogy, you have proven my point. YOU SUCKERS WILL BUY ANYTHING...

I have absolutely NOTHING against german cars. i just get annoyed at ignornant A$s people who compare their luxury sedan against my poor man's mid size sedans, and jusifty their superiority b/c they have "the badge"



Originally posted by: chowmein
why does it seem that you're attack me rather than my opinion and the actual debate. if you at all comprehend the english language:

"I have absolutely NOTHING against german cars. i just get annoyed at ignornant A$s people who compare their luxury sedan against my poor man's mid size sedans, and jusifty their superiority b/c they have "the badge"

if you were going to prove a point don't compare two different cars M3/Corolla, M3 is more in the class of G35/350z/Porsche911. Personally i would choose the G35.

getting back to my point, which you have interpret as vague. A fair share of people voted for Performance and Style. I'll go on the record and say as for style, german cars aren't bad. However, name three (3) german cars that dominates in its class in terms of performance.

also DanDrop, you seem like a very intelligent and knowledgeble indivdual. Please indugle us with the reason why you purchased your bmw, and what you feel are important NEEDS.

you have done nothing but attack my logic and reasoning. (btw i have driven a 92' 325 and a 00' 330 and my neighbor owns a z3) i not point a gun to anyone's head and say love JDMs, but please don't insult me by saying your overpriced "bmw/benz is better than honda/toyota." On paper alone, that statement is false. i never questioned personal reasons that contributed to the purchase of a german car.

are you really going to judge my character ?


Chowmein: My English comprehension is just fine. I am not out to attack you personally but rather point out that YOUR OPINIONS are unfair sweeping generalizations of german car owners.

Let me remind you that you were the first to post a picture of a pile of $hit with a BMW logo on it with a caption 'you suckers will buy anything'. If you were concerned with a meaningful debate, you wouldn't have posted that picture and instead posted some personal experience as to why you think german cars are not worth it. By posting that picture, you have already closed any meaningful and thoughtful discussion with the topic.

Re-read my posts. My post wherein I quoted you first was civil and an attempt to convey to you my personal view as to why I think people buy german cars, namely they buy out of needs/wants and financial ability. I did not resort to namecalling nor attack you personally. Your reply to that post, again, centered on ' You suckers will buy anything'. What kind of meaningful debate is that?

You keep on saying you do not have anything against German cars and yet here is something that you posted. ...German cars are nothing more than buying a very elegant living room with wheels, and the engine as good as a jet ski.

Ummm... that sounds to me like you have something against german cars.

To be fair, i agree with you that i also dislike people who are arrogant and pompous and feel superior over other just because they drive a car with a 'badge'. I absolutely don't like people like those you mentioned BUT it doeas not mean that ALL german car owners are like that. You have made an assumption that ALL german car owners are like that and that is where is disagreed with you.

You asked about my needs why i bought my cars. Back in 1992 i needed a bigger car. I moved from the midwest to the bay area. I was then driving a suzuki sidekick and i needed a bigger car (5 passenger) with bigger engine (6 cylinder) because of the san fran hills and faster traffic. I had saved enough money to buy me a nice car with blend of styling, power that suited ME at a price point i could afford without sacrificing my standard of living. 12 years later, my 525 is still reliable, beautiful (IMHO) and trouble free. Fast forward to 2002, i needed another car and because of my past experience with my old 5 series, i bought a newer 530i (consumer reports car of the year). Again, styling, power at a pricepoint i could afford. Granted, i could have bought any Japanese car at the same pricepoint, I chose not to because of personal preference. Does that make me a sucker? Does that automatically make me an arrogant and ignorant badge flashing prick with a small penis?

I am questioning you logic and reasoning because i thought they were unfair, not because i have a personal grudge against you. For all i know, we might have some interests in common but disagree on some.
 

RandomCoil

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Originally posted by: torpid
Haha. The A4 weighs almost 1000 lbs more than the corolla, and is equally (if not more) safe according to the site posted. The camry is almost 500 lbs lighter as well. I'll take me in my a4 head on vs you in a corolla. I'll see you at your funeral.

Yeah, congrats! Its ratings are almost as good as a Honda Civic. I wonder if there's a basic disconnect between those arguing for and against German cars. The comparisons I've seen (A4 vs. Corolla, for example) are between cars in wholly different price ranges.

At this point, I think the "safety" argument is utter crap. From the data available at safercar.gov, the Pontiac G6 (a *Pontiac*) has safety ratings equivalent to a BMW 3. Argue performance, style, "intangibles" all you want, but the idea that Germans make significantly (or even slightly) safer cars at similar price points appears to be absurd.