Say no more, I read you loud and clear. My 525i and your 94-98s are cut from the same cloth. Here is one of my favorite descriptions of an E34 5er from a contemporary review (circa '94):
Now, the E60 5-series looks like a Pontiac from the front, and a Subaru WRX from behind.
And the E60 M5 is no longer dangerously beautiful like its E34/E39 predecessors, it just looks... odd, like it has aftermarket trim. Sigh.:wine:
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Ok, so i guess it come down to basics:
1. Style- I admit, there no japanese car that matches the European style
2. Features- tiny little features that make you a happier driver....
3. Safety- that i'm not quite sure....crash rating on japanese and euro cars are similar
4. Social Status - this has to be the biggest thing, thanks to German cars marketers, their car is a must hav for the wealthy
5. Performance/handling- lets not go there, i can assure you there japanese cars that run just as fast and handle just as good as any german cars (ei: 400hp Evo> Lamboghini on Topgear...this is just 1 example people)
I conclude that those are 4 main points why people would spend extra $30-40 k for....well good enough....for those who are willing to spend your "hard-earned" cash
1. Style- I admit, there no japanese car that matches the European style
2. Features- tiny little features that make you a happier driver....
3. Safety- that i'm not quite sure....crash rating on japanese and euro cars are similar
4. Social Status - this has to be the biggest thing, thanks to German cars marketers, their car is a must hav for the wealthy
5. Performance/handling- lets not go there, i can assure you there japanese cars that run just as fast and handle just as good as any german cars (ei: 400hp Evo> Lamboghini on Topgear...this is just 1 example people)
I conclude that those are 4 main points why people would spend extra $30-40 k for....well good enough....for those who are willing to spend your "hard-earned" cash
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2. BMW, 3. Caddy, 4. MB.Originally posted by: iversonyin
and whats the second , third and forth?
I think that sums up the conversation nicely, though I doubt numbers 2 and 3 are true (name a feature found on German cars not found on Japanese/American cars of equivalent cost, provide evidence that German cars are safer than Japanese/American cars of equivalent cost). I would also argue, given the "hard core driving" most people do, that number 5 is just a way of adding to number 4.
Originally posted by: AStar617
Say no more, I read you loud and clear. My 525i and your 94-98s are cut from the same cloth. Here is one of my favorite descriptions of an E34 5er from a contemporary review (circa '94):
Now, the E60 5-series looks like a Pontiac from the front, and a Subaru WRX from behind.
:wine:
You really understand it! I always said the new 5's back looks like a subaru, and a pontiac from the front. Wow, we are cut from the same cloth! You seem to be the type of person I respect, one who would not put chrome rims on a 3 series, and altiezza lights! Cheers brother from another mother!
Kishan
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I've driven a lot of European cars. I've owned a lot of European cars. I've driven a lot of Japanese cars, I've owned one.
European cars are better. That's all there is to it. It's a fundamental thing, resulting from differing philosophies. The Japanese just don't have the same things in mind when they're designing a car. A european manufacturer says, "Build the car you would want to drive yourself. We'll talk about the price when you're done."
And for the record, my Acura does the whole seat\mirror adjustment thing depending on which key fob is used to unlock the door. If it were on an Merc, I would be impressed, and think "That's thoughtful!" On my car, I just think, "What a gimmick."
European cars are better. That's all there is to it. It's a fundamental thing, resulting from differing philosophies. The Japanese just don't have the same things in mind when they're designing a car. A european manufacturer says, "Build the car you would want to drive yourself. We'll talk about the price when you're done."
And for the record, my Acura does the whole seat\mirror adjustment thing depending on which key fob is used to unlock the door. If it were on an Merc, I would be impressed, and think "That's thoughtful!" On my car, I just think, "What a gimmick."
I guess in the US u dont have the driving conditions where the Benz, BMW show their qualities. (Autobahn driving: high speeds curves at high speeds, abrupt brakes from high speeds, reacceleration break again... Not to be mistaken any car can drive fast, but their are worlds of differences in the feel of the driving at those speeds)
Edit: Something to performance: Most new cars can handle quite well but few have both: Exceptional handling and exceptional ride quality
It is true that many japanese cars have a better reliability up front but (at least here) that changes once the car gets older than 3 years. Merc and co might also be slightly more expensive than their japanese counterparts, but it'll pay out in the long run (at least here) with cheaper maintanance, lower repair cost, avalability of spare parts and most importantly resale value). And the image is also quite important (at least here)
Edit: Something to performance: Most new cars can handle quite well but few have both: Exceptional handling and exceptional ride quality
It is true that many japanese cars have a better reliability up front but (at least here) that changes once the car gets older than 3 years. Merc and co might also be slightly more expensive than their japanese counterparts, but it'll pay out in the long run (at least here) with cheaper maintanance, lower repair cost, avalability of spare parts and most importantly resale value). And the image is also quite important (at least here)
Astar, say no more bro! Bangle sucks ass. You should consider getting an M5 in the E39 body style.
E34 and E39 are still the best 5 series, IMHO. Here are my rides.
My nice and shiny 1992 Black 525i It is over 12 years old, around 150k miles and ZERO problems. Just regular oil change, brakes and routine maintenance.
My other car is a 2002 530i Sterling Gray . I picked it up at the BMW plant in Munich on a European Delivery then had it shipped to San Fran. Driving with that car in the Autobahn was, shall we say...an exhilirating experience.
Originally posted by: beatle
German parts are probably cheap where you are.
That is true about the electrical or rather electronic gremlins - they have to work on this. But I guess it is the price of the massive influx of electronics in the last 10 years - heck some of the more luxurious models of BMW and DB have massive power problems with the conventional batteries and 12 V systems
Well as much as I hate to do it but I have to defend the poor Bangle guy. It is not like bangle draws a new design and thats it. There are dozens of design alternatives - in the end the management decides what is being built. But maybe the others sucked even more
BMW 325i owner here.
Nothing beats a German car when it coming to driving. The cars may not be the absolute fastest or best handling but they combine the best attributes into something very enjoyable.
Nothing beats a German car when it coming to driving. The cars may not be the absolute fastest or best handling but they combine the best attributes into something very enjoyable.
325i owner here also (actually wife drives it) Car handles pretty damn good and its fast enough for me.
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Is this the end result of good German marketing?
Because you can be as comfortable in an Acura as in a Benz/BMW, but you wouldn't think so becasue in your mind German cars are created different ways then Japanese car (like you mention in ur thread).
It's complete psychological marketing. Because an Acura can have the same features,performance in compare to its German counterpart, but you would still think you are in a better car when you are driving German.
Right?
bought an audi a4 loaded right out of college using a signing bonus. probably a terrible decision, but i was young hehehe
in retrospect i shoulda bought something used or less money, but oh well. people "define" me on my car now. Most of my friends say they couldn't see me ever driving anything else which is funny. At least i'll have it paid off in less than a year now yay
i will admit that any car i drive i don't like as much as mine , and it was definitely worth the money. i guess i spoiled myself.
in retrospect i shoulda bought something used or less money, but oh well. people "define" me on my car now. Most of my friends say they couldn't see me ever driving anything else which is funny. At least i'll have it paid off in less than a year now yay
i will admit that any car i drive i don't like as much as mine , and it was definitely worth the money. i guess i spoiled myself.
you guys really wont admit it, you like the badge more than the car itself, its pretty obvious.
there is a reason why Japanese cars virtually dominate the american highways, simply b/c it is the more practical and cost efficient.
As for "Luxury," the general public tend to "go with what works" instead of actually believing that JDMs can make good luxury cars.
German cars are nothing more than buying a very elegant living room with wheels, and the engine as good as a jet ski. (super-over-exaggerating naturally)
there is a reason why Japanese cars virtually dominate the american highways, simply b/c it is the more practical and cost efficient.
As for "Luxury," the general public tend to "go with what works" instead of actually believing that JDMs can make good luxury cars.
German cars are nothing more than buying a very elegant living room with wheels, and the engine as good as a jet ski. (super-over-exaggerating naturally)
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yea in my experience some BMW dealers are snotty as hell. back in 2002 a friend and I went into a BMW dealership. friend wanted to buy a 330xi. he didnt care about the price (rich family)...but his only condition was that he be allowed to test drive the car before buying it. Well since we were in college at the time, we got denied the test drive cuz the salesman thought we were just there for a fun test drive and thats it
edit: i should mention that the 2nd dealer he went to was really nice! he told them how he was treated at the first dealership and the salesman let him test drive the car for 24 hrs before deciding. needless to say he bought it. he went back to the same dealer last year and traded in him 330xi for a z4
btw...i drive a german car as well (see sig)
Its apparent you have never opened a door of a bmw.
Also sir, you have more issues than just dissecting cars.
And I am very happy with my penis.
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