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torpid

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Man I can't believe you are trolling your own thread... what you should have said is "come in here and let me attempt to attack you for owning a german car, because I think japanese cars are superior".

I own an A4 for many reasons. I test drove about 10 cars ranging from $20k - $35k.

The accord and camry were just lame cars. They were boring, not fun to drive, ugly interiors, no features, and the salespeople were not at all knowledgable. If I'm going to spend $20k you better not treat me like crap. And yes, how the dealer treats you is actually important, because it's a decent indicator of how the service people will treat you, and how good of a deal you will get.

The maxima was kind of nice, but its main attraction was reliability and brute force. It wasn't that great of a drive. The dealer was better than the accord and camry dealers. The altima was only slightly cheaper and not quite as nice.

The BMW 3 series was an outstanding drive. However, there was a long wait for the all wheel drive version, and it was by far the most expensive car I test drove.

The Acura TL was nice, but bland. The only real dealer in town was also the VW dealer. And I really liked the Passat.

The Passat had tons of features, drove extremely well, had a nice interior, had an all wheel drive option, and had power. The reason I didn't get one was because the dealers in town were all total jerkoffs who really must have learned how to sell cars by watching B movies about used car salespeople.

The Lexus ES300 seemed nice, but the dealer (if you can believe this) was the worst car dealer of everyone. It took me 15 minues before someone even acknowledged I was there. When I asked to test drive the ES300, they told me that "people who buy a lexus don't need to test drive" and therefore they don't keep cars around for test drives. They "allowed" me to look at one that was in the show room. Also, it was about the same price as the 3 series with no AWD option.

The infiniti G20 was kind of a weak but cute little car. I liked the interior, reliability, and treatment by the dealer. The I30 was also nice, but in the end too large. Both cars in the end had too many drawbacks. The I30, aside from being too large, was boring, and drove like a big car. The G20 was too weak and a bit too small.

At this point I had given up on getting a new car. Months later, I saw that audi had an attractive financing offer. I went and test drove the A4, and it had the perfect combination of the best features above. It was by far the safest car I test drove, had the most refined interior, a famous all wheel drive system, a fun turbo, and the dealer has been terrific.

I have since driven a camry and accord rental car, and while driving them I sorely miss the A4. They steer like crap and they are not responsive at all. I should note I never test drove the new style accord.

Edit: Forgot to mention that I test drove the Prius. I liked it, but it seemed like it would be dangerous to drive if you weren't a super conservative driver.
 
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Originally posted by: iversonyin
Benz, BMW, Audi...and other car owners who paid well over $40k-50k< for your car....

I want to know why did you get your car.

Please state the car you own and the price you paid. And vote on poll


Thanks.

I don't have one but if I got one

Comfort, quiet, powerful engine.

I'd personally go for 5 or 7 series BMW or a nice Lexus.
 

iversonyin

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Originally posted by: dandruff
Originally posted by: iversonyin
Originally posted by: TechnoKid
safety


How is a BMW safer than a Toyota?


Its apparent you have never opened a door of a bmw.


By driving a BMW, you can feel "safer". good to know

please tell me what safety feature BMW has that you cant get on a Subaru, Toyota, or Honda?
ABS? Airbags?

what about Volvo in term of safety?

i've been in Benz and Audi. i admit the design is somewhat more elegant, but do i feel safer? no sir

the primary safety feature is not in ur car, is your driving skill, reaction time, and common sense


 

iversonyin

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Originally posted by: torpid
Man I can't believe you are trolling your own thread... what you should have said is "come in here and let me attempt to attack you for owning a german car, because I think japanese cars are superior".

how so?

Many of you mention safety as the primary reason that you bought a German car. but everyone fail to mention what safety features is in a German car that other car doesnt have? and in term of crash rating , they are similar.

Many of you also mention features, yet someon said "if the feature is on Acura is a gimmick, if its on Mercedes, its impressive" (somewhere along those lines)

And one of you mention the way the dealer treat you. Hell, if you are spending $50K + on my shop, i'll treat you like a king.

And last of all, does those little features justisfy the price? most of you happen to think so.

 
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If I could afford one I'd buy an Audi or BMW. Reason.... styling and handling.
What's with all the bashing in this thread. You buy a car because you like it.

I'd get a Camry, Corolla or Accord if the main concern was price and reliability but those cars are just to bland. If I spend money on a car I do it to get something extra. I'd buy the previous gen Cadillac STS because of looks (love it), not because it is the best or most reliable car. I just like it.
I'd buy a BMW or Audi because I like them. I am willing to pay more for something that appeals to me. The Camrys and Accords are just plain cars, no highs no lows.
 

chowmein

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in reply to Torpid's entry: the A4 is an outstanding refined vehicle.

From what i've read, you just seem to have a tough time with dealers.

had the VW dealers been more useful, i don't think i would be wrong in assuming you would have brought the passat. however i must remain a honda-fan and justify the value of the accord. yes, standard features are a BIT lacking and most models don't even have ABS standard (i believe its only the EX that has ABS standard) however, the comfort, safety, mpg, and the power is probaby the most ideal in it's class.

but if you were really into wanting a AWD, the A4 was the right choice.
 

torpid

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Originally posted by: iversonyin
By driving a BMW, you can feel "safer". good to know

please tell me what safety feature BMW has that you cant get on a Subaru, Toyota, or Honda?
ABS? Airbags?

what about Volvo in term of safety?

i've been in Benz and Audi. i admit the design is somewhat more elegant, but do i feel safer? no sir

the primary safety feature is not in ur car, is your driving skill, reaction time, and common sense

Um... yeah. Except that you aren't going to hire someone else to drive for you. So no matter which car you get, your driving skill is probably not going to change.

The reason you don't feel safer is because you don't do any research. Upscale cars in general will have more safety features {Edit: standard side air bags, skid control, highest performing brakes, strong bumpers, responsive steering, sturdy construction, reasonable crumple zones, etc.} and perform better. Statistics have demonstrated that the cars that are the safest are generally the ones that perform the best. Lexus cars are generally pretty safe, too.

Cheap cars like the corolla are not sturdy. They are light and generally have severe damage when they get into a crash. European cars tend to be made of more sturdy material. The down side of the A4 being more safe is that it is heavy, which does interfere somewhat with its performance.
 

iamwiz82

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My car has many safety features:

1. Auto-unlock on airbag deployment
2. Auto-lights on airbag deployment
3. Break away engine (in the even of a front impact, the engine breaks off the motor mounts and goes down, rather than in the cabin)
4. 6 airbags
5. Runflat tires
6. Flat Tire Monitoring
7. Traction Control
8. Electronic Brake Distribution (detects the way weight is distributed in the car and reacts accordingly)
9. Cornering Braking Control (brakes each wheel depending on the corner being taken.


All standard

And it will even honk the horn if you accidently wire the battery improperly, instead of throwing sparks.
 

chowmein

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break away engine? soo if i hit a speed bump or if a garbage truck backups up on my car, my engine ... will fall off its mount. german engineering, i love it. i think you would have to actually hit a super brick wall for your engine to fly into the cabin.
 
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Originally posted by: chowmein
break away engine? soo if i hit a speed bump or if a garbage truck backups up the car, my engine ... will fall off its mount. german engineering, i love it. i think you would have to actually hit a super brick wall for your engine to fly into the cabin.

?
:confused:
Say what?!
 

daveshel

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Fuel economy was my most important criteria. I believe it is a sad commentary on the state of the automotive market that only the low-end cars are fuel efficient. Not that I need anything nicer than a Civic, but the point is, if I do want to upgrade I do so at the cost of miles/gallon.
 

iamwiz82

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Originally posted by: chowmein
break away engine? soo if i hit a speed bump or if a garbage truck backups up the car, my engine ... will fall off its mount. german engineering, i love it. i think you would have to actually hit a super brick wall for your engine to fly into the cabin.

:roll:

You know nothing about automobile safety or engineering.
 

chowmein

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please do your research, THEN say something intelligent.

crash your 3-series into my Accord, should you survive, you won't survive the cost of repair compared to the honda.

reinstalling your break-away engine should be cheap
 

iamwiz82

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Originally posted by: chowmein
please do your research, THEN say something intelligent.

crash your 3-series into my Accord, should you survive, you won't survive the cost of repair compared to the honda.

reinstalling your break-away engine should be cheap

I don't care about repair costs, thats why I have insurance (which IS cheaper than what a 22 year old driving a Civic pays).
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: TechnoKid
Originally posted by: iversonyin
Originally posted by: TechnoKid
safety


How is a BMW safer than a Toyota?

why did bmw, benz, audi include side curtain airbags and companies like toyota and honda made you pay extra for them when they first came out?

BTW, our family owns a 1998.5 Audi A6 2.8 fwd, its a great car. bought it used. it has its share of maintenece and such...

Because the Toyota and Honda cost $10k less? :roll:
 

chowmein

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Originally posted by: iamwiz82


I don't care about repair costs, thats why I have insurance (which IS cheaper than what a 22 year old driving a Civic pays).

btw civic also has better safety ratings than your bmw. and the insurance on it would be a lot cheaper, compared to a 22 yr old buying a bmw.

the badge alone already costs you a few extra bucks on ins.
 

iamwiz82

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Originally posted by: chowmein
Originally posted by: iamwiz82


I don't care about repair costs, thats why I have insurance (which IS cheaper than what a 22 year old driving a Civic pays).

btw civic also has better safety ratings than your bmw. and the insurance on it would be a lot cheaper, compared to a 22 yr old buying a bmw.

the badge alone already costs you a few extra bucks on ins.

Stop talking out of your ass. My insurance is lower with my current car than with a Civic.
 

Doggiedog

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Originally posted by: iversonyin
Originally posted by: Nebor
If it were on an Merc, I would be impressed, and think "That's thoughtful!" On my car, I just think, "What a gimmick."

Is this the end result of good German marketing?

Because you can be as comfortable in an Acura as in a Benz/BMW, but you wouldn't think so becasue in your mind German cars are created different ways then Japanese car (like you mention in ur thread).

It's complete psychological marketing. Because an Acura can have the same features,performance in compare to its German counterpart, but you would still think you are in a better car when you are driving German.

Right?

Nope.

I own a BMW 325i and an Acura MDX. I've owned a 99 Lexus GS300, 97 Honda Prelude SH, 86 VW GTi 8V not to mention having driven lots of cars and can definitively say there is a difference in feel. While it might not apply in every circumstance, for the most part I'd say German cars are more sporty even down to the cheap cars compared to Japanese cars.

Its not marketing. If you drove a Japanese car then a German, you would notice the difference. I'm not saying its bad either. I'd much rather have a quiet plushy Lexus than a sportier German equivalent if I was in the market for a luxury car.
 

halik

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Originally posted by: Aharami
Originally posted by: ultimatebob
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: iversonyin
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: iversonyin
Originally posted by: Albis
when you go to a good college and work your butt off to make good money, why not spend it on things you want?


but why get a BMW,BENZ over something with comparable features/performance with less price?

if you go to college, you should know how to make your money worth

Service, quality of the dealership. I'll buy a BMW over any Japanese car companies because of their dealerships. I have had very good experiences, even though I was "only" buying a MINI. They try to bend over backwards for you.


umm...thats interesting...but you never own a japanese car? or you did and the dealer treated you like crap?


I have been to literally 4-5 dozen dealers. The only ones I have ever felt comfortable in was a BMW dealership. It didn't feel like they were selling me a car.


Lucky bastard... The BMW dealer that I dealt with was a snooty little witch that made it sound like I should feel HONORED to pay the sticker price and wait 3 months for my new car to be shipped from Germany :roll:

yea in my experience some BMW dealers are snotty as hell. back in 2002 a friend and I went into a BMW dealership. friend wanted to buy a 330xi. he didnt care about the price (rich family)...but his only condition was that he be allowed to test drive the car before buying it. Well since we were in college at the time, we got denied the test drive cuz the salesman thought we were just there for a fun test drive and thats it

edit: i should mention that the 2nd dealer he went to was really nice! he told them how he was treated at the first dealership and the salesman let him test drive the car for 24 hrs before deciding. needless to say he bought it. he went back to the same dealer last year and traded in him 330xi for a z4

btw...i drive a german car as well (see sig)

Oh man,
i would go back to the first dealer in the brand new 330xi and tell them they just lost a sale.

It kinda depends how you show up too though. The first time i went to the benz dealer because my mom needed some crap, i parked far away so i couldn't find it. I walked in wearing a hoodie and a baseball cap and ended up having to find the parts counter myself.... :)

The next time i was there i was going stright from work (wearing pants/shirt etc.) and parked my car (audi a4) right up front. As soon as I walked in a sales person guy approached me, joking around and asking what i need.

My mom loves the service at that place, she said it's a definite step up from ford (she had a lease taurus) and she does't have to be there every other week beacause it's not a piece of sh!t ...
 

ZeroEffect

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I got my '97 BMW Z3 2.8l Roadster (silver) becuase i think
it's one of the most beautiful verts i've ever seen. Also
becuase the 2.8L straight 6 is an excellent engine. Driving
with the top down is a blast too... plus, i don't get teh sex,
so i thought i deserved something to compensate :)