Benchmarking Firefox 3.5

[zoiks]

Originally posted by: eLiu

Originally posted by: iGas

Originally posted by: irishScott
Once Google gets the APIs for chrome finalized and chrome gets noScript, I'll be chrome for life. Speed blows FF out of the water, and having each tab as its own task is awesome (ie: if one stops responding you don't have to close the entire program).

In the meantime I primarily use chrome with FF as a backup. IE is only good for updates.

I have to agree that individual tasks per tab is awesome.

So far Chrome is the only browser that I havn't have the need to kill the process, while FF 3.5 and Opera sometimes need kill process to close down.

Google Chrome also doesn't run under linux. :brokenheart: Maybe it does in wine, but I'm not going to emulate a damn browser.

Oh well, tabbed browsing in FF is still a big step up from having like 50 IE windows open at once, haha.

There is a development version of Chrome that you can use on Linux. It's blazingly fast and the way development is progressing, I wouldn't be surprised if it were to be beta very soon.

 

[SunSamurai]

Originally posted by: nerp

Originally posted by: SunSamurai

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

As for IE8 - I don't mind it. I wont use it, but to me IE has been improving and is not that bad.

Security wise, as GodlessAstronomer said, MS is targeted because everyone uses that software. Hackers and others are not going to target the system they use to work on (Linux). Having said that however, integrating the web browser into the OS was the dumbest idea ever and will always be a huge back door into your computer.

-Kevin

With UAC on, IE8's the most secure browser you can use with Vista, and Win7.

Bullshit.

Read more. You're wrong.

Oh great counterpoint. "Read more". Here I'll try and match you

You're an idiot. You're wrong.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

WTF @ the comments about Firefox taking too long to load. How can any computer built in the past 5 years not load a web browser (just about any browser) in under 3 seconds? Time taken to launch a browser has never been a problem for me - and I'm typing this on a low-end 2GHz Socket 754 Athlon64 with 1GB RAM.

Firefox does render pages much quicker than IE. I didn't notice any difference (at least subjectively) compared to Chrome - I keep it installed but only use Firefox because of the addons and because it just 'feels' right. I install Opera every few months, use it for an hour and uninstall it. No specific reason, just doesn't feel like home.

 

[BabaBooey]

Is anyone using chrome + gmail notifier that is able to have gmail load when clicking a hotlink like on craigslist ?

I have notifier setup to use gmail for go to / hotlinks and it works fine w/ F.F. but chrome keeps pulling up outlook instead ?

I have been over the settings in chrome and on the PC side,cannot find a reason for it doing this ?

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel
WTF @ the comments about Firefox taking too long to load. How can any computer built in the past 5 years not load a web browser (just about any browser) in under 3 seconds? Time taken to launch a browser has never been a problem for me - and I'm typing this on a low-end 2GHz Socket 754 Athlon64 with 1GB RAM.

Firefox does render pages much quicker than IE. I didn't notice any difference (at least subjectively) compared to Chrome - I keep it installed but only use Firefox because of the addons and because it just 'feels' right. I install Opera every few months, use it for an hour and uninstall it. No specific reason, just doesn't feel like home.

First start up can be kind of slow, but usually after that it loads pretty quick for me.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: SunSamurai

Originally posted by: nerp

Originally posted by: SunSamurai

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

As for IE8 - I don't mind it. I wont use it, but to me IE has been improving and is not that bad.

Security wise, as GodlessAstronomer said, MS is targeted because everyone uses that software. Hackers and others are not going to target the system they use to work on (Linux). Having said that however, integrating the web browser into the OS was the dumbest idea ever and will always be a huge back door into your computer.

-Kevin

With UAC on, IE8's the most secure browser you can use with Vista, and Win7.

Bullshit.

Read more. You're wrong.

Oh great counterpoint. "Read more". Here I'll try and match you

You're an idiot. You're wrong.

Now you're insulting him because he's advising you to educate yourself? Classy and also completely convincing :roll:

 

[tyler811]

Originally posted by: n7

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

<-- not an IE user, but also not a knee-jerk anti-MS reactionary.

It's not knee-jerk.

I update tons of old machines to IE8 every day.

IT RUNS LIKE CRAP!

IE7 is slower than IE6 on old PCs, & IE8 is even worse.

On high end new PCs, you don't see much difference between IE/FF/Chrome/Opera, etc.

But the difference becomes a lot more noticeable on crappy systems.

I run IE6 on my desktop and I thought it was faster then IE7

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: tyler811

Originally posted by: n7

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

<-- not an IE user, but also not a knee-jerk anti-MS reactionary.

It's not knee-jerk.

I update tons of old machines to IE8 every day.

IT RUNS LIKE CRAP!

IE7 is slower than IE6 on old PCs, & IE8 is even worse.

On high end new PCs, you don't see much difference between IE/FF/Chrome/Opera, etc.

But the difference becomes a lot more noticeable on crappy systems.

I run IE6 on my desktop and I thought it was faster then IE7

meh, ie6 is pushing it.

security wise i'm not sure its being supported anymore.

that being said the ie bashing gets tiresome. the difference between browsers gets rather insiginificant fast once u load up with a bunch of tabs. i use firefox as main, but when i do use ie8 it really isn't slow. the amount of tabs i have open make firefox eat half a gig of ram, but i don't care. but if it were ie some people would point fingers and whine i guess. and so what if it doesn't run on pos old ass equipment anyways. in real world use on mainstream desktops even low end ie8 works fine. these benchmarks sometimes have little to do with reality.

 

[SunSamurai]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: SunSamurai

Originally posted by: nerp

Originally posted by: SunSamurai

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

As for IE8 - I don't mind it. I wont use it, but to me IE has been improving and is not that bad.

Security wise, as GodlessAstronomer said, MS is targeted because everyone uses that software. Hackers and others are not going to target the system they use to work on (Linux). Having said that however, integrating the web browser into the OS was the dumbest idea ever and will always be a huge back door into your computer.

-Kevin

With UAC on, IE8's the most secure browser you can use with Vista, and Win7.

Bullshit.

Read more. You're wrong.

Oh great counterpoint. "Read more". Here I'll try and match you

You're an idiot. You're wrong.

Now you're insulting him because he's advising you to educate yourself? Classy and also completely convincing :roll:

Yeah and I told him he's an idiot, so maybe he should go educate himself too. Also, judging by your sig, youre not exactly the authority on "classy" dipshit. Jokes about child molestation. Good one.

Due to the fact that MJ was about 99% plastic, he will not be cremated. He will be melted down and made into legos so little kids can play with him for a change.

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: SunSamurai

No. Its not true. FF + Noscript + UAC = most secure.

No it isn't. With IE7/8 it doesn't matter what scripts run on a web page, because the browsers completely sandboxed if you have UAC on.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: SunSamurai

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: SunSamurai

Originally posted by: nerp

Originally posted by: SunSamurai

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

As for IE8 - I don't mind it. I wont use it, but to me IE has been improving and is not that bad.

Security wise, as GodlessAstronomer said, MS is targeted because everyone uses that software. Hackers and others are not going to target the system they use to work on (Linux). Having said that however, integrating the web browser into the OS was the dumbest idea ever and will always be a huge back door into your computer.

-Kevin

With UAC on, IE8's the most secure browser you can use with Vista, and Win7.

Bullshit.

Read more. You're wrong.

Oh great counterpoint. "Read more". Here I'll try and match you

You're an idiot. You're wrong.

Now you're insulting him because he's advising you to educate yourself? Classy and also completely convincing :roll:

Yeah and I told him he's an idiot, so maybe he should go educate himself too. Also, judging by your sig, youre not exactly the authority on "classy" dipshit. Jokes about child molestation. Good one.

Due to the fact that MJ was about 99% plastic, he will not be cremated. He will be melted down and made into legos so little kids can play with him for a change.

IE is most definitely not the most secure. It also isn't nearly as insecure as others say, mostly due to UAC.

Firefox, Chrome, and Opera are at a significant disadvantage for the simple fact that they are open source software - thus the source code is readily available for thorough analysis/exploitation.

-Kevin

Edit: Additionally a system is only as secure as a user makes it (the opposite also applies). So though IE may be, arguable, the least secure, and something else the most secure, it doesn't matter as a skilled person can make both very secure (again opposite applies).

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek


Firefox, Chrome, and Opera are at a significant disadvantage for the simple fact that they are open source software - thus the source code is readily available for thorough analysis/exploitation.

-Kevin

Being open source makes them more secure. They have more eyes looking at the code, and fixes get generated faster. Security through obscurity isn't security at all.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek


Firefox, Chrome, and Opera are at a significant disadvantage for the simple fact that they are open source software - thus the source code is readily available for thorough analysis/exploitation.

-Kevin

Being open source makes them more secure. They have more eyes looking at the code, and fixes get generated faster. Security through obscurity isn't security at all.

Ummm.. no?

Yes, fixes get generated faster; however, even that, absolutely 100% does not make them more secure.

-Kevin

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek


Firefox, Chrome, and Opera are at a significant disadvantage for the simple fact that they are open source software - thus the source code is readily available for thorough analysis/exploitation.

-Kevin

Being open source makes them more secure. They have more eyes looking at the code, and fixes get generated faster. Security through obscurity isn't security at all.

Ummm.. no?

Yes, fixes get generated faster; however, even that, absolutely 100% does not make them more secure.

-Kevin

What are you talking about? Any browser can be exploited. Faster fixes absolutely 100% do make them more secure. In addition to that, IE has more exploits, and more that are rated severe with longer patch times than Firefox does.

 

[Kaido]

I've been playing with IE8 for about 2 weeks and it's not bad. I like Firefox better because of Plugins. I love Chrome's speed and simplicity, but no plugins = fail. I prefer Safari on Mac because it works better than Firefox, but Camino is pretty decent.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek


Firefox, Chrome, and Opera are at a significant disadvantage for the simple fact that they are open source software - thus the source code is readily available for thorough analysis/exploitation.

-Kevin

Being open source makes them more secure. They have more eyes looking at the code, and fixes get generated faster. Security through obscurity isn't security at all.

Ummm.. no?

Yes, fixes get generated faster; however, even that, absolutely 100% does not make them more secure.

-Kevin

What are you talking about? Any browser can be exploited. Faster fixes absolutely 100% do make them more secure. In addition to that, IE has more exploits, and more that are rated severe with longer patch times than Firefox does.

Bad wording on my part. Yes faster fixes makes them more secure; however, the fact that it is open source negates that benefit.

I suppose you are one of the people that think Linux/Unix is the most secure OS by far huh?

-Kevin

 

[dguy6789]

For those who haven't bothered to look up why Internet Explorer is > FF with noscript and whatever, it's called protected mode. Look it up.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: dguy6789
For those who haven't bothered to look up why Internet Explorer is > FF with noscript and whatever, it's called protected mode. Look it up.

It's essentially another layer of UAC within IE. While a good feature, it doesn't really do too terribly much more.

Restricting where a file downloads... ok.
User prompt for starting new processes... eh same basic principle as UAC.

Protected mode is more a marketing gimmick than anything.

 

[pcslookout]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: tyler811

Originally posted by: n7

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

<-- not an IE user, but also not a knee-jerk anti-MS reactionary.

It's not knee-jerk.

I update tons of old machines to IE8 every day.

IT RUNS LIKE CRAP!

IE7 is slower than IE6 on old PCs, & IE8 is even worse.

On high end new PCs, you don't see much difference between IE/FF/Chrome/Opera, etc.

But the difference becomes a lot more noticeable on crappy systems.

I run IE6 on my desktop and I thought it was faster then IE7

meh, ie6 is pushing it.

security wise i'm not sure its being supported anymore.

that being said the ie bashing gets tiresome. the difference between browsers gets rather insiginificant fast once u load up with a bunch of tabs. i use firefox as main, but when i do use ie8 it really isn't slow. the amount of tabs i have open make firefox eat half a gig of ram, but i don't care. but if it were ie some people would point fingers and whine i guess. and so what if it doesn't run on pos old ass equipment anyways. in real world use on mainstream desktops even low end ie8 works fine. these benchmarks sometimes have little to do with reality.

Half a gig of ram sounds about right. Thanks for confirming my question!

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: hans030390

Originally posted by: DLeRium

FF3.5 > IE8 > Safari > Opera > Chrome

So, the fastest web browser around is beat out 3 times by the slowest and, arguable, crappiest (common) web browser?

I've never been a big fan of extensions. But, hey, at least Chrome will support them in v3 (which is already in the beta stage).

At the speedy rate Chrome is developing and shaping up, I think it's set to be the leading web browser in the future (maybe not in numbers, but in funcionallity, performance, etc.).

Chrome is speeding up. And I think it will overtake Opera in no time. Safari is just an awesome browser. Maybe not so much on PC but the Mac version is solid. With that said I still use FF 3.5 over Safari when I can.

As for the guy who claims IE8 is more safe than FF 3.5. BULLSHIT. Now I'll give you this, IE6/7/8 with a popup blocker (ESP for IE6) and a smart user is experience-wise JUST AS SAFE. Now it's not JUST AS SAFE overall, but if you're smart enough you shouldn't get a virus either way.

I've NEVER gotten crap on my HD from IE but that said the browser itself is just INFERIOR. Have you done any web design? I know I've long retired from that field, but when I work with my friends on some sites, we do CSS layouts that look brilliant on Safari and by default it will look just as nice on FF and Opera. Then when we pop up IE it's just like WTFBBQ RAGE. Granted it's IE7, but I have to see how much nicer IE8's CSS implementation is.

I used to use the argument that a lot of sites are DESIGNED FOR IE6 so it's fine, but with newer web standards and new features that everyone's jumping to, IE looks more and more limited. When I used to design sites it wasn't an issue, but I can see the problems now and it's pissing me off at times.

 

[TridenT]

Firefox is what I am going to use until Chrome or another truly superior browser has Adblock Plus.

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: TridenT
Firefox is what I am going to use until Chrome or another truly superior browser has Adblock Plus.

cool

 

[brandonb]

I used IE8 for awhile now. People at work talking all kinds of game about FF. I tried it out at work for a few weeks, and got ad redirected too many times. Never happened with IE8. One second I'm on a page, and boom, I'm somewhere else, and I'm left scatching my head saying "WTF...."

I don't care if FF Java is 50% faster or whatever, because honestly it takes a few seconds for a page to load and what is a millisecond difference in Java tests?

For me:

IE8 > FF

(that's all I've used since Netscape days and those don't count anymore)

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: brandonb
I used IE8 for awhile now. People at work talking all kinds of game about FF. I tried it out at work for a few weeks, and got ad redirected too many times. Never happened with IE8. One second I'm on a page, and boom, I'm somewhere else, and I'm left scatching my head saying "WTF...."

I don't care if FF Java is 50% faster or whatever, because honestly it takes a few seconds for a page to load and what is a millisecond difference in Java tests?

For me:

IE8 > FF

(that's all I've used since Netscape days and those don't count anymore)

You get redirected just by loading the page?? What kind of sites are you going to!?!?

Given that:
A. You shouldn't be going to sites with auto-redirects on them as they are a breeding ground for spyware/adware
B. I find it really hard to believe that you aren't accidentally clicking on something. Regardless of the browser, that shouldn't be happening at normal sites.
C. You should really run HijackThis and run some malicious software removal tests - it sounds like malicious software might have already found its way onto your PC.

-Kevin

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: DLeRium
FF3.5 > IE8 > Safari > Opera > Chrome

I'm sorry. When you can't CTRL + 1 2 3 4... your browser SUCKS.

You can do that in Chrome