Benchmarking Firefox 3.5

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: n7

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

<-- not an IE user, but also not a knee-jerk anti-MS reactionary.

It's not knee-jerk.

I update tons of old machines to IE8 every day.

IT RUNS LIKE CRAP!

Well that's fine, the slow pace of the software is objectively measurable so you're right, I wouldn't consider it a knee-jerk reaction. My comment was in response to Anubis claiming that IE8 lacks features and security, indicating that he hasn't bothered to actually evaluate the system but instead demonstrates a knee-jerk anti-MS mentality.

 

[dwell]

Originally posted by: Locut0s
For example its long history of flaunting the need to follow web standards has gotten much better with IE8. I'll still be a lifelong FireFox user probably but I'm not blind.

Maybe IE will get HTML 5 support by the end of the decade.

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: Xanis
I have had some issues with FF regarding website rendering. There have been more than a few sites that have simply not even loaded under FF, but load fine under Safari/Stainless/whatever. Also, I sometimes get an odd "download the latest version of Flash to view this" message when I visit sites that have some flash content, even though I really do have the latest version of Flash. Currently, however, I'm using Safari 4, which is AWESOME.

I have 2 major issues with Safari4:

1. After a while it doesn't play sound in flash videos (youtube), and after a while longer it'll play a few seconds of the video then stop. The same video works flawlessly in firefox at the same time, and restarting safari fixes the issue.

2. The first issue wouldn't be so bad if I could save my tab state in safari. If I've got 8 tabs open, close the window and then re-open it, I get a single tab with my homepage. I can't see the option to save a tab state, if there is one.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: Chris

Originally posted by: Locut0s
For example its long history of flaunting the need to follow web standards has gotten much better with IE8. I'll still be a lifelong FireFox user probably but I'm not blind.

Maybe IE will get HTML 5 support by the end of the decade.

No, that is for the decade after that. The end of the decade is it will pass HTML4 .

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Locut0s
Yeah IE has gotten a lot better over the years. A lot of the reasons people legitimately hated it for are no longer big issues in IE8 or several editions back. For example its long history of flaunting the need to follow web standards has gotten much better with IE8. I'll still be a lifelong FireFox user probably but I'm not blind.

Flouting. And yeah, IE sucks. I think someone re-labeled Nik's icons so he thinks Firefox is IE and vice versa.

 

[jman19]

IE is fine, really, but it doesn't stack up too well to the competition IMO.

 

[zCypher]

IE is definitely the fastest due to being integrated into the OS. It's definitely not very good in terms of security, and that is because MS, being the most widely used platform is also the most widely targeted platform. Firefox when it began, was much less susceptible because it was new. I've noticed it is much more susceptible to malware than it used to be, as it has gained greatly in popularity.

I tend to recognize that there is no such thing as 100% security or safety. So in that regard I have to agree with Nik. I never get viruses or spyware, simply because I know the sites I frequent are free of it.

Not sure if it was already mentioned here, but try K-Meleon. It might be a bit too basic for some people here, but I find it's pretty fast and so far it has never crashed on me. I still use Firefox most frequently, simply cause many of the plugins are nice to have. I have an older system and I find Firefox to be reasonably fast.

 

[Miramonti]

Does Google track what websites Chrome users visit?

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: zCypher
IE is definitely the fastest due to being integrated into the OS. It's definitely not very good in terms of security, and that is because MS, being the most widely used platform is also the most widely targeted platform. Firefox when it began, was much less susceptible because it was new. I've noticed it is much more susceptible to malware than it used to be, as it has gained greatly in popularity.

I tend to recognize that there is no such thing as 100% security or safety. So in that regard I have to agree with Nik. I never get viruses or spyware, simply because I know the sites I frequent are free of it.

Not sure if it was already mentioned here, but try K-Meleon. It might be a bit too basic for some people here, but I find it's pretty fast and so far it has never crashed on me. I still use Firefox most frequently, simply cause many of the plugins are nice to have. I have an older system and I find Firefox to be reasonably fast.

IE seems bloated. There's a lot of accessing of the HD. I don't get it. Just loading pages, you'll see the waiting icon like the program ITSELF is having trouble rendering the page. I'm not on a slowass comp too. I see this on my Macbook Pro too. Seriously, wtf. You never get that with Firefox unless it's got like 10 java applets on it or something. IE8 is immensely better than IE7. IE6 was just horrible and locked up/crashed or just has a lot of speed issues.

FF3.5 all the way. Extensions and you're set. Safari doesn't even come close.

FF3.5 > IE8 > Safari > Opera > Chrome

I'm sorry. When you can't CTRL + 1 2 3 4... your browser SUCKS.

 

[hans030390]

Originally posted by: DLeRium

FF3.5 > IE8 > Safari > Opera > Chrome

So, the fastest web browser around is beat out 3 times by the slowest and, arguable, crappiest (common) web browser?

I've never been a big fan of extensions. But, hey, at least Chrome will support them in v3 (which is already in the beta stage).

At the speedy rate Chrome is developing and shaping up, I think it's set to be the leading web browser in the future (maybe not in numbers, but in funcionallity, performance, etc.).

 

[eLiu]

Originally posted by: iGas

Originally posted by: irishScott
Once Google gets the APIs for chrome finalized and chrome gets noScript, I'll be chrome for life. Speed blows FF out of the water, and having each tab as its own task is awesome (ie: if one stops responding you don't have to close the entire program).

In the meantime I primarily use chrome with FF as a backup. IE is only good for updates.

I have to agree that individual tasks per tab is awesome.

So far Chrome is the only browser that I havn't have the need to kill the process, while FF 3.5 and Opera sometimes need kill process to close down.

Google Chrome also doesn't run under linux. :brokenheart: Maybe it does in wine, but I'm not going to emulate a damn browser.

Oh well, tabbed browsing in FF is still a big step up from having like 50 IE windows open at once, haha.

 

[dguy6789]

Internet Explorer 8 is trash because of this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eigenvalue

Scroll down to near the bottom where there are 6 animated gifs all next to each other. If you're on IE, it runs beyond terribly slow. If you're on Firefox, it runs as fast as if the page was blank.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: eLiu

Originally posted by: iGas

Originally posted by: irishScott
Once Google gets the APIs for chrome finalized and chrome gets noScript, I'll be chrome for life. Speed blows FF out of the water, and having each tab as its own task is awesome (ie: if one stops responding you don't have to close the entire program).

In the meantime I primarily use chrome with FF as a backup. IE is only good for updates.

I have to agree that individual tasks per tab is awesome.

So far Chrome is the only browser that I havn't have the need to kill the process, while FF 3.5 and Opera sometimes need kill process to close down.

Google Chrome also doesn't run under linux. :brokenheart: Maybe it does in wine, but I'm not going to emulate a damn browser.

Oh well, tabbed browsing in FF is still a big step up from having like 50 IE windows open at once, haha.

Wine Is Not an Emulator

For some unknown reason, I can't get Chrome to load some parts of MLB web pages (Though MLB personnel seem to suck royally at coding). I use FF 3.5 and don't have anything major to say about it--- its nice.

As for IE8 - I don't mind it. I wont use it, but to me IE has been improving and is not that bad.

Security wise, as GodlessAstronomer said, MS is targeted because everyone uses that software. Hackers and others are not going to target the system they use to work on (Linux). Having said that however, integrating the web browser into the OS was the dumbest idea ever and will always be a huge back door into your computer.

-Kevin

 

[iGas]

Originally posted by: eLiu

Originally posted by: iGas

Originally posted by: irishScott
Once Google gets the APIs for chrome finalized and chrome gets noScript, I'll be chrome for life. Speed blows FF out of the water, and having each tab as its own task is awesome (ie: if one stops responding you don't have to close the entire program).

In the meantime I primarily use chrome with FF as a backup. IE is only good for updates.

I have to agree that individual tasks per tab is awesome.

So far Chrome is the only browser that I havn't have the need to kill the process, while FF 3.5 and Opera sometimes need kill process to close down.

Google Chrome also doesn't run under linux. :brokenheart: Maybe it does in wine, but I'm not going to emulate a damn browser.

Oh well, tabbed browsing in FF is still a big step up from having like 50 IE windows open at once, haha.

This post is on Mintlinux 6 and Chrome 3.0.190.2 Developer release.

Up till about 3-4 weeks ago It was Chromium Dev release that I ran on this box (for about 4 months), then I updated to Chrome 3.0.190.2 Dev.

Chromium Developer Documentation & download: Early Access Release Channels

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

As for IE8 - I don't mind it. I wont use it, but to me IE has been improving and is not that bad.

Security wise, as GodlessAstronomer said, MS is targeted because everyone uses that software. Hackers and others are not going to target the system they use to work on (Linux). Having said that however, integrating the web browser into the OS was the dumbest idea ever and will always be a huge back door into your computer.

-Kevin

With UAC on, IE8's the most secure browser you can use with Vista, and Win7.

 

[JJChicken]

opera

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[0roo0roo]

meh, such benchmarks have no actual real world relevance. on broadband the difference is a second if that.
it doesn't get into how the browser behaves either. chrome is always fast in benchmarks, but load it with tabs and switching between tabs if you minimize it for a while becomes sh*tty, you click on a tab and it takes a moment before it appears. more often than not if you've been multitasking chrome greets you with a blank page for a bit when you click on tabs bringing it back. firefox seems to have less of a problem on this. i have 4gb so its not a memory starvation issue either. safari is also a bit like chrome on the lag bringing it back to life.

 

[SunSamurai]

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

As for IE8 - I don't mind it. I wont use it, but to me IE has been improving and is not that bad.

Security wise, as GodlessAstronomer said, MS is targeted because everyone uses that software. Hackers and others are not going to target the system they use to work on (Linux). Having said that however, integrating the web browser into the OS was the dumbest idea ever and will always be a huge back door into your computer.

-Kevin

With UAC on, IE8's the most secure browser you can use with Vista, and Win7.

Bullshit.

 

[dguy6789]

Originally posted by: SunSamurai

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

As for IE8 - I don't mind it. I wont use it, but to me IE has been improving and is not that bad.

Security wise, as GodlessAstronomer said, MS is targeted because everyone uses that software. Hackers and others are not going to target the system they use to work on (Linux). Having said that however, integrating the web browser into the OS was the dumbest idea ever and will always be a huge back door into your computer.

-Kevin

With UAC on, IE8's the most secure browser you can use with Vista, and Win7.

Bullshit.

It's true. That doesn't mean that other browsers aren't secure enough though.

 

[SunSamurai]

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Originally posted by: SunSamurai

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

As for IE8 - I don't mind it. I wont use it, but to me IE has been improving and is not that bad.

Security wise, as GodlessAstronomer said, MS is targeted because everyone uses that software. Hackers and others are not going to target the system they use to work on (Linux). Having said that however, integrating the web browser into the OS was the dumbest idea ever and will always be a huge back door into your computer.

-Kevin

With UAC on, IE8's the most secure browser you can use with Vista, and Win7.

Bullshit.

It's true. That doesn't mean that other browsers aren't secure enough though.

No. Its not true. FF + Noscript + UAC = most secure.

 

[13Gigatons]

Sticking with Firefox despite some of it's negatives like loading time and memory use.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: zCypher
IE is definitely the fastest due to being integrated into the OS.

Should be fastest because it is part of the OS, but it isn't.

 

[nerp]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Anubis
sorry Nik but you are just being stupid if you think IE > anything

it does load faster but thats because its part of the OS

it still sucks for features, speed, security,.... well anything

I don't need features. Speed is awesome in IE. I don't need security because I'm not a dumbass.

I use Chrome for speed and ease of recovery. I don't care what you think. FF is slower than IE so IE > FF. I don't need fucking bloated add-ons to make my browsing tolerable.

Agree with you. I use IE. I'm more concerned about the content of the site, not the frame around it. Installing a third-party browser would require me to lift a finger and actually care about web browsers, and that's not going to happen.

I look at it like HTML. I recall seeing people complain about sites having "ugly" html. SOrry, I don't stare at the source. I view the content. A site could be put together in the first version of Frontpage. As long as the content I need is there, that's fine with me.

 

[nerp]

Originally posted by: SunSamurai

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

As for IE8 - I don't mind it. I wont use it, but to me IE has been improving and is not that bad.

Security wise, as GodlessAstronomer said, MS is targeted because everyone uses that software. Hackers and others are not going to target the system they use to work on (Linux). Having said that however, integrating the web browser into the OS was the dumbest idea ever and will always be a huge back door into your computer.

-Kevin

With UAC on, IE8's the most secure browser you can use with Vista, and Win7.

Bullshit.

Read more. You're wrong.

 

[Modelworks]

One big advantage FF has over IE is it can be made portable. If you don't use portable apps now I really would take a look. Portable apps are just what they seem to be. Applications that require no installation to use and can be run on any computer that has a USB port. The applications run entirely from a USB drive, flash or HD. To get you started go here:
http://portableapps.com/
Download the package and put it where you like. It includes, FF 3.5, Anti-virus, Thunderbird, Open Office + other tools. All my plugins, noscript, popup blocker, lostpass all work fine with it. I can plug it in any pc and all my bookmarks, email is right there. Or I can use my home pc and install it to a directory on the HD that I can access from any os install and I never have to reinstall the software when I change OS. There are also lots and lots of portable apps out there.