Beginning of the End for Roe v Wade?

[Sonikku]

Kavanaugh filed a dissent, writing only for himself. He said he would have allowed the law to take effect in order to see whether it would impose a burden on women's access to abortion in the state.

Of course it would! What a sack of shit.

 

[Jhhnn]

Of course it would! What a sack of shit.

What a weasel. The law was obviously intended to limit access to abortion rather than to protect women's health as claimed.

 

[K1052]

I am genuinely curious if Susan Collins is a liar or just really incredibly gullible.

 

[theeedude]

Roberts knows full well that the second Roe is overturned, abortion becomes a massive liability for the GOP instead of an asset. He is just being a good Republican operative.

 

[mikeymikec]

If you believe all people are created equal, then rights have to start at the time of creation.

Perhaps you should take the time to consider the practicalities of this approach, such as:

If the state acknowledges that an entity has rights, it has be able to acknowledge the existence of that entity. So... all conceptions must be registered?
Any women carrying unregistered foetuses are committing a crime?
Any miscarriages at any stage must be investigated as criminal negligence at the very least?

Should these feats of stupidity be accomplished with less tax revenue, or is this something you'd support a tax increase for?

Personally IMO if you've got such a hard-on for this idea, then a legally required permit system for conception would make a lot more sense.

 

[Paratus]

Perhaps you should take the time to consider the practicalities of this approach, such as:

If the state acknowledges that an entity has rights, it has be able to acknowledge the existence of that entity. So... all conceptions must be registered?
Any women carrying unregistered foetuses are committing a crime?
Any miscarriages at any stage must be investigated as criminal negligence at the very least?

Should these feats of stupidity be accomplished with less tax revenue, or is this something you'd support a tax increase for?

Personally IMO if you've got such a hard-on for this idea, then a legally required permit system for conception would make a lot more sense.

Personally with the risk of natural spontaneous miscarriage being firmly in the Russian roulette with multiple rounds realm of risk I can’t see any attempt at conception being less than criminally negligent. If we are to insanely treat a fertilized egg as a child.

Of course those who push this agenda like to claim because they have “no control” whether an egg naturally aborts or not it’s not a criminal act. That is of course bullshit.

Unless there’s threat of force no one is forced to have sex. So one is entirely in control of whether they risk killing a kid or not. Sure this results in the end of the human race if it’s illegal to procreate which is stupid but so is treating a fertilized egg as equivalent to a child.

 

[Moonbeam]

The question, I see, is must we be fucked by biology. Does the fact that a fertilized human ova confer personhood because it does intellectually and takes on religious significance any more than the realization that all that happens is by the will of God and therefore nobody should improve any situation. There is a crackpot notion that does really lead to the death of children.

 

[zinfamous]

Legality does not determine if something is right or wrong, but an opinion at the time.

If you defend abortion because "it is legal", what else would you defend?

Would you defend slavery?

Would you defend slaughtering Native Americans?

Would you defend sending Jews to the camps?

Chances are you would.

Just when you try desperately for weeks to convince us that you aren't a 3rd grader...BAM! Right back in it.

 

[zinfamous]

No Im against murder of a viable fetus.

But it seems you support murdering women when the only option to save them is to abort a non-viable late term fetus.

Is that what you're saying?

 

[kage69]

I am genuinely curious if Susan Collins is a liar or just really incredibly gullible.

She's a naive little twit, who did exactly what turtle told her to do. I'm curious as to what she got out of it, surely her much craved extra camera time wasn't all of it. Can't wait until Mainiacs boot her from office.

 

[kage69]

Kudos to Roberts btw. Ultimately we cannot claim to be free and equal if one gender is held under the government's thumb. I hope Roberts is equally level headed for the future assaults on American freedom the religious right have in store.

 

[blackangst1]

But it seems you support murdering women when the only option to save them is to abort a non-viable late term fetus.

Is that what you're saying?

I believe what I said is pretty clear

 

[K1052]

She's a naive little twit, who did exactly what turtle told her to do. I'm curious as to what she got out of it, surely her much craved extra camera time wasn't all of it. Can't wait until Mainiacs boot her from office.

Her seat is going to be a prime target in the next election. Her whole "I believe Kav respects precedent" and then he tries to tear down precedent (writing the dissent no less) the first chance he gets is one of the more predictable things to have happen.

 

[K1052]

Kudos to Roberts btw. Ultimately we cannot claim to be free and equal if one gender is held under the government's thumb. I hope Roberts is equally level headed for the future assaults on American freedom the religious right have in store.

I'm beginning to suspect that Roberts isn't all that interested in undoing decades of precedent in a way that would usher in a political nuclear winter for the court he presides over while simultaneously launching his reputation and tenure into the history books alongside that of Taney.

 

[hal2kilo]

Roberts knows full well that the second Roe is overturned, abortion becomes a massive liability for the GOP instead of an asset. He is just being a good Republican operative.

If Republican don't keep these wedge issues alive, they have nothing to offer to the non .1% ters.

 

[Jhhnn]

If Republican don't keep these wedge issues alive, they have nothing to offer to the non .1% ters.

Correct. They have permanent wedge issues used to froth up the gullible every two years like clockwork.

 

[glenn1]

Correct. They have permanent wedge issues used to froth up the gullible every two years like clockwork.

Yeah abortion is one of the classic gullible frothers like "income inequality."

 

[hal2kilo]

Her seat is going to be a prime target in the next election. Her whole "I believe Kav respects precedent" and then he tries to tear down precedent (writing the dissent no less) the first chance he gets is one of the more predictable things to have happen.

Not going to link it, but I saw where she's getting more campaign money from out of state Kavanagh supporters than from her own state.

 

[Texashiker]

Of course it would! What a sack of shit.

What a weasel. The law was obviously intended to limit access to abortion rather than to protect women's health as claimed.

Different century, same propaganda.

Change abortion to slavery and we see how people like yall truly stand on social issues.

This abortion issue is no different than slavery. Blacks were nothing more than property, an were only protected once they were freed. A fetus is not a real person and has to be born to be protected.

Makes me sick to see how easily people diminish the value of human life. Yall would probably be right at home on an 1850s southern plantation. See that black person, they are not a real person, and as such I can do whatever I want.

 

[Texashiker]

Just when you try desperately for weeks to convince us that you aren't a 3rd grader...BAM! Right back in it.

Please answer the question, if you defend abortion "because it is legal", what else will you defend? Where does your moral compass point? Or does it not point at all?

Because it was legal:

Slavery
Abortion
FDR Japanese-American internment camps
Carpet bombing of Dresden
Decimating Native American populations
Killing Mormons
Forced sterilization

All of that was ok because it was legal right?

Anyone who supports abortion is on the wrong side of history.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yeah abortion is one of the classic gullible frothers like "income inequality."

A lot of things that are good in moderation will kill you in excess. The uber wealthy have been getting too big a cut off the top of everything while paying shit fer taxes through it all. It's what ails us as a society. We can fix it via taxation.

The GOP, OTOH, has no intention of actually making abortion illegal. It's just a sop for the Evangelicals. Abortion is their great moral crusade that screws up their judgement so thoroughly that they voted for Trump, a man of no moral principles at all.

It's mass delusion.

 

[MavericK96]

This abortion issue is no different than slavery.

A...are you fucking serious right now? I honestly cannot tell if this is a joke.

 

[dank69]

Yeah abortion is one of the classic gullible frothers like "income inequality."

Except restricting abortion is empirically detrimental to society while NOT restricting income inequality is empirically detrimental to society.

 

[theeedude]

If Republican don't keep these wedge issues alive, they have nothing to offer to the non .1% ters.

It was fun and games when they could vote crazy to please religious nuts, but have SCOTUS strike it down so women don't get too pissed off. Now it's going to be a wedge between women and evangelicals. It's a dog catching the bus kind of thing, they have to dance with the evangelicals who brought them, but if they do, they will dig a bigger hole with women.

 

[Jhhnn]

Different century, same propaganda.

Change abortion to slavery and we see how people like yall truly stand on social issues.

This abortion issue is no different than slavery. Blacks were nothing more than property, an were only protected once they were freed. A fetus is not a real person and has to be born to be protected.

Makes me sick to see how easily people diminish the value of human life. Yall would probably be right at home on an 1850s southern plantation. See that black person, they are not a real person, and as such I can do whatever I want.

All of that is easy to say when it's not your body & never will be. It's not your life, either. In a society where women are truly equal, they have the same sovereignty over their bodies as men. If they don't, they don't have full equality.

I see that as a first principle in a secular society regardless of religious belief or conviction.