Beginning of the End for Roe v Wade?

[Texashiker]

If you consider a fertilized egg to be a person (which legally it isn't) then while you may believe all people are created equal, you do not believe all people are equal.

Legality does not determine if something is right or wrong, but an opinion at the time.

If you defend abortion because "it is legal", what else would you defend?

Would you defend slavery?

Would you defend slaughtering Native Americans?

Would you defend sending Jews to the camps?

Chances are you would.

 

[Vic]

Legality does not determine if something is right or wrong, but an opinion at the time.

If you defend abortion because "it is legal", what else would you defend?

Would you defend slavery?

Would you defend slaughtering Native Americans?

Would you defend sending Jews to the camps?

Chances are you would.

Huh. Didn't you say that breaking the law is not a right?

https://forums.anandtech.com/index.php?posts/39724434

 

[ivwshane]

I'm not against abortion. I'm against 3rd trimester abortion.

Oh so abortion is ok its just that you want to control women. Got it.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Legality does not determine if something is right or wrong, but an opinion at the time.

If you defend abortion because "it is legal", what else would you defend?

Would you defend slavery?

Would you defend slaughtering Native Americans?

Would you defend sending Jews to the camps?

Chances are you would.

This is the world you want:

"A 14-year-old rape victim died during childbirth in Paraguay, where abortion is illegal unless the pregnancy poses a threat to the woman’s life.

The teenager, who has not been identified, suffered an embolism and three cardiac arrests during an emergency caesarian section.

Doctors at the National Hospital of Itaugua had attempted to deliver the baby vaginally but the girl suffered respiratory complications, according to local media."

...

"Paraguay’s restrictive abortion laws have been in the spotlight since 2015, when authorities blocked a 10-year-old girl from having an abortion after she was raped by her stepfather.

The girl, given the pseudonym Mainumby to conceal her identity, survived giving birth at the age of 11."

...

"In Latin America, the risk of maternal death is four times higher among adolescents younger than 16 than among women in their twenties, according to the World Health Organisation.

Around 65 percent of cases of obstetric fistula, a childbirth injury and one of the leading causes of maternal death, occur in the pregnancies of adolescents."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...forced-paraguay-abortion-rights-a8270131.html

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Good. Whoever is pro-abortion is on the wrong side of history.

In a few hundred, or maybe a thousand years, our ancestors will call us barbaric for allowing unborn children to be killed.

Hopefully, one day our society will be able to take care of unwanted children, rather than killing them. As society evolves and becomes more enlightened, the idea of having an abortion will be repulsive.

The government needs to keep the fuck out of personal medical decisions. I'm against abortion myself but, very much for the right to choose. The government deciding they know best is what's barbaric.

 

[dank69]

Legality does not determine if something is right or wrong, but an opinion at the time.

If you defend abortion because "it is legal", what else would you defend?

Would you defend slavery?

Would you defend slaughtering Native Americans?

Would you defend sending Jews to the camps?

Chances are you would.

I don't defend abortion just because it is legal. I defend abortion because it is the most rational and most moral position to hold.

If you want people to treat you like an honest person, you should address all of my points instead of picking and choosing which parts to discuss and which parts to ignore. If you want people to treat you like a trollbag, then continue ignoring points that people make that are inconvenient for your position.

 

[mikeymikec]

Good. Whoever is pro-abortion is on the wrong side of history.

In a few hundred, or maybe a thousand years, our ancestors will call us barbaric for allowing unborn children to be killed.

Hopefully, one day our society will be able to take care of unwanted children, rather than killing them. As society evolves and becomes more enlightened, the idea of having an abortion will be repulsive.

How do you propose society becomes more enlightened when the standard conservative perspective regarding everyone who isn't them is "go fuck yourself"? Healthcare for everyone? Nah. Care for veterans, the less fortunate? Nah. Equality and justice for all? Nah. Tax cuts? Yay!

 

[Jhhnn]

The government needs to keep the fuck out of personal medical decisions. I'm against abortion myself but, very much for the right to choose. The government deciding they know best is what's barbaric.

And there it is, the simple truth. "My body, my choice" covers the entire subject. It has to be that way in a society where women are truly equal.

 

[DaaQ]

Time of creation is when the sperm fetrilzies the egg, and cells start to divide. At that point a new life form has been created.

What is the difference between your viewpoint that fetus is not a real person until birth and:

Blacks are not real people.

Native Americans are not real people.

Jews are not real people... etc?

Also, if you say, "A fetus is not a real person until it is born", then you do not believe all people are created equal.

By placing the goal post at birth, then you erect an arbitrary barrier.

The birth goal post is no different than:

Being a free person to vote.

Being white to vote.

Being a white property owner.

Slaves can be killed because they are property.

Jews have to be sent to the camps because the law says so.

Native Americans have to be sent to the reservations because the law says so.

One thing democrats do is move the goal post. When republicans make progress in protecting rights, democrats find another group to victimize. In the case of abortion, the victims is the unborn child and minorities.

So how do you rationalize that a corporation is a person? Is bankruptcy abortion in those cases? Actually I guess it's assisted suicide.

Seriously though, I would like to be explained to how a person with rights begins at conception, but an entity of business is a person with rights.

Legality does not determine if something is right or wrong, but an opinion at the time.

If you defend abortion because "it is legal", what else would you defend?

Would you defend slavery?

Would you defend slaughtering Native Americans?

Would you defend sending Jews to the camps?

Chances are you would.

Nice strawman you got there.

 

[Sonikku]

Seems like if Conservatives want government to get out of people's lives then they should start by getting the government out of people's lives.

 

[Texashiker]

This is the world you want:

Nope, not at all.

What I want is a world where abortion clinics are NOT set up in low income areas.

I want a world where abortions are rare, and only when the health of the mother is at risk.

I want a world where life is valued and cherished.

Let's be honest, if abortion providers targeted upper class white, or jewish communities, like they target black communities, there would be outrage. As long most abortions are poor and black, then it is ok, right?

If there was an article that said 6,500 more jewish babies had been aborted than born, there would be outrage. But because these are black babies its ok?

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/more-black-babies-aborted-born-new-york-city-alec-torres/

In 2012, black women in New York City aborted over 6,500 more children than they gave birth to.

The fight against abortion is not only about life, it is also about protecting minorities and their unborn children.

 

[Texashiker]

Seriously though, I would like to be explained to how a person with rights begins at conception, but an entity of business is a person with rights.

I think if you go back several years and look through my post, I said businesses are not people and should not be entitled to rights.

But in case I did not say it years ago, I just said it again.


If you believe all people are created equal, then rights have to start at the time of creation.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Nope, not at all.

Yep, that's *your* world bunky.

 

[Sunburn74]

I don't think rights start at creation. I dont think eggs and sperm have rights and there is nothing special about an egg and a sperm meeting up and mixing us a bit of DNA.

 

[Jhhnn]

Nope, not at all.

What I want is a world where abortion clinics are NOT set up in low income areas.

I want a world where abortions are rare, and only when the health of the mother is at risk.

I want a world where life is valued and cherished.

Let's be honest, if abortion providers targeted upper class white, or jewish communities, like they target black communities, there would be outrage. As long most abortions are poor and black, then it is ok, right?

If there was an article that said 6,500 more jewish babies had been aborted than born, there would be outrage. But because these are black babies its ok?

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/more-black-babies-aborted-born-new-york-city-alec-torres/



The fight against abortion is not only about life, it is also about protecting minorities and their unborn children.

You're just repeating falsehoods-

https://www.guttmacher.org/article/...located-black-or-hispanic-neighborhoods-false

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/08/texas-abortion-access-is-_n_5952968.html

Poor & low income women *should* have access to abortion services the same as wealthy women. Wealthy women can always obtain such services abroad.

Tell us more about protecting minority women from their own choices & how that relates to the Libruhl Plantation while you're at it.

 

[Jhhnn]

wrong button.

 

[Texashiker]

You're just repeating falsehoods-

Poor & low income women *should* have access to abortion services the same as wealthy women. Wealthy women can always obtain such services abroad.

Tell us more about protecting minority women from their own choices & how that relates to the Libruhl Plantation while you're at it.

Nice cherry picking.

Per capita, what races have the highest abortion rates?

Like I said, if more jewish babies were aborted than born, like blacks in new york city, there would be a national outcry.

~~ EDIT ~~

This abortion argument must have been what it was like to discuss slavery.

On one hand you have someone trying to defend life, in this case the unborn baby.

On the the other hand you have people saying the unborn child is not a real person, like what people said about blacks.

Yall should be ashamed of yourselves. Why is it so difficult to defend life?

 

[Victorian Gray]

Nice cherry picking.

Per capita, what races have the highest abortion rates?

In what country?

 

[Texashiker]

In what country?

What country is affected by Roe V Wade?

Please do not be obtuse, or act willfully ignorant..

 

[Victorian Gray]

What country is affected by Roe V Wade?

Please do not be obtuse, or act willfully ignorant..

Obtuse and wilful ignorance? ROFLMAO. Jackass almost made a funny. Keep trying.

 

[Jhhnn]

Nice cherry picking.

Per capita, what races have the highest abortion rates?

Like I said, if more jewish babies were aborted than born, like blacks in new york city, there would be a national outcry.

~~ EDIT ~~

This abortion argument must have been what it was like to discuss slavery.

On one hand you have someone trying to defend life, in this case the unborn baby.

On the the other hand you have people saying the unborn child is not a real person, like what people said about blacks.

Yall should be ashamed of yourselves. Why is it so difficult to defend life?

I'm not cherry picking at all. It's amusing how you want to protect black women from their own choices while spouting the Libruhl plantation bullshit. Women of all colors have the right to make their own choices wrt abortion. If you actually want black women to have fewer abortions maybe you should attempt to address the reasons that they do, like supporting the family planning services PP offers to low income women & better societal support for low income women & their children.

 

[blackangst1]

Oh so abortion is ok its just that you want to control women. Got it.

No Im against murder of a viable fetus.

 

[fskimospy]

As I have said many times, any person who claims to believe a fertilized egg is a human life deserving of all the same protections as any real person is either lying or a moron. There is no other option.

 

[mect]

No Im against murder of a viable fetus.

While I agree with the sentiment, from what I can tell this basically never happens, at least not in the US. Almost all late term abortions are due to either serious issues with the fetus making it not viable or serious issues with the pregnancy itself endangering the life of the mother.

 

[Paratus]

Roe survives. For now

Roberts decides precedent is more important than politics.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna968766
WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Thursday blocked a Louisiana law that its opponents say could have left the state with only one doctor in a single clinic authorized to provide abortions.

The vote was 5 to 4, with Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. joining the court’s four-member liberal wing.