BBB - nowhere close

[Jaskalas]

I've never heard anyone protest a tax cut on the basis of letting people keep more of their money is dangerous because they will just buy drugs.

"Poor people do not deserve money, they will waste it" - Republican.txt

Anyone at Foxnews would have told you as much.

 

[hal2kilo]

I'm curious about what made Manchin balk. All I've read had been secretive. "the staffers know what I'm talking about"

His feewings got him hurt. They said nasty things about him (that are true). Better treat him better.

 

[Moonbeam]

His feewings got him hurt. They said nasty things about him (that are true). Better treat him better.

Most people do not like being called bad names because bad name calling is how we got to feel worthless in the first place.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Most people do not like being called bad names because bad name calling is how we got to feel worthless in the first place.

Wait I thought call people bad names because we feel bad.
Who was the first name caller?

 

[Roger Wilco]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1473713731322454023

 

[Fenixgoon]

Most people do not like being called bad names because bad name calling is how we got to feel worthless in the first place.

Don't be an asshole and people won't call you an asshole.

 

[Moonbeam]

Wait I thought call people bad names because we feel bad.
Who was the first name caller?

Og, Son of Stone.

 

[Moonbeam]

Don't be an asshole and people won't call you an asshole.

Fuck you.

 

[TheVrolok]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1473713731322454023

Loving it. More spare cash to buy the December dip.

 

[manly]

I'm curious about what made Manchin balk. All I've read had been secretive. "the staffers know what I'm talking about"

I don't like his politics, but I don't blame Manchin at all. He's been remarkably consistent since summer that he's willing to get onboard with a skinny $1.5T bill. Biden talked him into bumping that to $1.75T, but Manchin is only willing to pass a bill without accounting tricks to conceal the true 10-year cost. CBO scored the CTC as $1.6T over ten years alone.

Obviously the part we all dislike is that his energy policy is going to block carbon emissions reduction, which will have disastrous consequences long-term. Some are accusing him of not bargaining in good faith over BBB, but I don't see that.

We have to understand that Manchin is only king for a year because Stacey Abrams engineered the two upsets for the Senate seats of Georgia. Realistically, we were going to lose one or both run-offs and McConnell would still be the obstructor in chief. And like Manchin said, if the Democrats had a better majority in the Senate, Manchin's willingness to deal or to obstruct would be irrelevant: "elect more liberals" is what Manchin said about passing progressive legislation.

Sadly we're fucked for the midterms, and then Joe Manchin will have no juice after that.

 

[Ken g6]

At this point I'd like to see Biden play hardball with Manchin. The place to attack him is the same place he's trying to defend: coal. Declare a climate emergency, block new leases for coal mining, create tariffs on coal imports, and pursue an EPA CO2 rule. Anything to attack carbon emissions, but especially coal, until Manchin agrees to - and votes for - a reasonable climate plan.

 

[sportage]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1473713731322454023

Oh great.... More money for them to buy more drugs.
Signed
Joe Manchin

 

[cytg111]

At this point I'd like to see Biden play hardball with Manchin. The place to attack him is the same place he's trying to defend: coal. Declare a climate emergency, block new leases for coal mining, create tariffs on coal imports, and pursue an EPA CO2 rule. Anything to attack carbon emissions, but especially coal, until Manchin agrees to - and votes for - a reasonable climate plan.

Could you pass something voting rights first? I think you should take anything climate out if it makes it pass on its own.. thing is if you lose 2022 2024 climate is fucked anyway. Voting rights and then have Biden go executive orders like Trump on steroids.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I don't like his politics, but I don't blame Manchin at all. He's been remarkably consistent since summer that he's willing to get onboard with a skinny $1.5T bill. Biden talked him into bumping that to $1.75T, but Manchin is only willing to pass a bill without accounting tricks to conceal the true 10-year cost. CBO scored the CTC as $1.6T over ten years alone.

I blame him. Everyone has negotiated and put themselves in a position they'd prefer not to be, that's politics. He's the only one that can't be bothered to extend himself into an uncomfortable position. Basically just sitting there with his arms crossed all pouty until he gets his way, it's fucking absurd.

Mind you, I also blame republicans. Obstinate contrarian pieces of shit.

 

[cytg111]

Pulling the strings

The Dark Money Influencing Senator Manchin’s Right-Wing Agenda

Koch advocacy group Americans for Prosperity is urging its followers to send Manchin messages to uphold GOP priorities.

truthout.org

 

[Ken g6]

Could you pass something voting rights first? I think you should take anything climate out if it makes it pass on its own.. thing is if you lose 2022 2024 climate is fucked anyway. Voting rights and then have Biden go executive orders like Trump on steroids.

I see no path to voting rights. The country has kind of made our bed on that: Republicans appointed Republican justices who struck down southern voting rights. Eliminating the filibuster would lead to Republicans passing stuff like a national abortion ban later. And erasing climate legislation, and voting rights, and probably everything else democratic.

If a climate bill gets passed soon, and the filibuster remains, it should stick for 10 years at least.

Edit: Except there's no filibuster on that. Hmm.

 

[manly]

At this point I'd like to see Biden play hardball with Manchin. The place to attack him is the same place he's trying to defend: coal. Declare a climate emergency, block new leases for coal mining, create tariffs on coal imports, and pursue an EPA CO2 rule. Anything to attack carbon emissions, but especially coal, until Manchin agrees to - and votes for - a reasonable climate plan.

Joe Manchin is Senator of a state that went +39 for Trump in November. If you think you can shame him into lurching leftward, you're sadly mistaken. Manchin will only agree to what's personally acceptable to him, which are terrible climate policy and a small overall price tag. If you asked Manchin to leave the Democratic caucus, he'd do it.

For some perspective, the Biden administration has gotten a lot more done with 49+1 Senators than Obama did with 57.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1473656462819966987

 

[gothuevos]

You guys are silly.

You clearly don't see the 5D chess Manchin is playing on everyone.

 

[conehead433]

Manchin will change his tune when he figures out that most of his constituents want a lot of what is in the bill, and that they are going to vote him out of office.

 

[fskimospy]

Manchin will change his tune when he figures out that most of his constituents want a lot of what is in the bill, and that they are going to vote him out of office.

If they do vote him out of office it will be for someone who wants to do even less of this, not more.

 

[Bitek]

Joe Manchin is Senator of a state that went +39 for Trump in November. If you think you can shame him into lurching leftward, you're sadly mistaken. Manchin will only agree to what's personally acceptable to him, which are terrible climate policy and a small overall price tag. If you asked Manchin to leave the Democratic caucus, he'd do it.

For some perspective, the Biden administration has gotten a lot more done with 49+1 Senators than Obama did with 57.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1473656462819966987

Yeah, how things could have been different if they had beaten Susan Collins or some other marginal R and had a seat out two cushion.

I think too that Obama was too timid and squandered his big win and majority. The ACA was important, but more should have been done while the majority was there. Too much wishful thinking and wasted time chasing bipartisanship.

 

[uclaLabrat]

Yeah, how things could have been different if they had beaten Susan Collins or some other marginal R and had a seat out two cushion.

I think too that Obama was too timid and squandered his big win and majority. The ACA was important, but more should have been done while the majority was there. Too much wishful thinking and wasted time chasing bipartisanship.

I dont think Obama was timid in the slightest, but he (and others) were certainly too charitable in assuming the right was arguing in good faith.

If dems ever get that kind of leverage again their approach should be "get on board or GTFO the way", but they won't, because being a big tent party is inherently a disadvantage when requiring coalition building.

 

[dainthomas]

If they do vote him out of office it will be for someone who wants to do even less of this, not more.

The actions of right-wing voters always seem to boil down to "I don't want it if someone I hate also gets it".

If Clinton had been president, these yokels would have cursed her as they went to their jobs in clean, well lit wind turbine or solar panel factories.

It's unfortunate that the structure of this country gives people like that way more of a say.

 

[cytg111]

I see no path to voting rights. The country has kind of made our bed on that: Republicans appointed Republican justices who struck down southern voting rights. Eliminating the filibuster would lead to Republicans passing stuff like a national abortion ban later. And erasing climate legislation, and voting rights, and probably everything else democratic.

If a climate bill gets passed soon, and the filibuster remains, it should stick for 10 years at least.

Edit: Except there's no filibuster on that. Hmm.

Then its game over is it not?
Without voting rights, its gonna turn Q 2022/2024.

 

[cytg111]

Manchin will change his tune when he figures out that most of his constituents want a lot of what is in the bill, and that they are going to vote him out of office.

He has already stated he is not running again has he not?