Barack Obama to speak about Rev. Wright, race Tuesday, March 18

[Carmen813]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: Carmen813
I suggest listening to him make his speech. You can tell the points he really cares about a lot more easily.
http://my.barackobama.com/page...samgrahamfelsen/gGBbKG

But first you need to watch this Angry Ranting Non Man of God

And that is not edited by Fox News or any conservative news outlet.

I could care less with what Barack Obamas pastor has to say. Rev. Wright is not running for President, Barack Obama is. If you don't think extremely controversial things are said in sermons every week of every religion, then you haven't gone to Church. I went to Catholic Church for 16 years. I was confirmed in the Catholic Religion. When my parents got divorced the church ordered that they DISOWN me and my siblings.

Barack offered his explanation. The man was obviously a big part of his life. He knows Rev. Wright far better than any of us ever will. I accept his explanation. The politically convenient thing would be to cut and dry, drop his church, and run. He isn't doing that. He is standing up for what he believes in. I respect that, and frankly support him all the more for doing so.

Put it this way. Do you think Hillary Clinton or George Bush would make a similar speech? I don't.

The argument that racism doesn't still exist in this country is just stupid. I like Obama, but I'll admit I still get nervous around black people. Why? Because I was raised in a racist household. I hate that about myself, but I try to be better about it. Despite not liking that spect of myself, I'm not about to disown my family because of it.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: spidey07
All I see in that racist's speech is "blame whitey".

That speech only confirms what I've said all along, he believe exactly what his pastor is saying only he chooses his words more carefully. But his core believe is that it's all whitey's fault.

Please pass whatever it is you were on when you watched cause we should all be that high.

He didn't say blame whitey. He said blame greeny. As in the greed of corporate America which has failed both black and white in this country and continues to all the while, they are able to get people like you to look the other direction with such a non-issue as this.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Carmen813

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: Carmen813
I suggest listening to him make his speech. You can tell the points he really cares about a lot more easily.
http://my.barackobama.com/page...samgrahamfelsen/gGBbKG

But first you need to watch this Angry Ranting Non Man of God

And that is not edited by Fox News or any conservative news outlet.

I could care less with what Barack Obamas pastor has to say. Rev. Wright is not running for President, Barack Obama is. If you don't think extremely controversial things are said in sermons every week of every religion, then you haven't gone to Church. I went to Catholic Church for 16 years. I was confirmed in the Catholic Religion. When my parents got divorced the church ordered that they DISOWN me and my siblings.

Barack offered his explanation. The man was obviously a big part of his life. He knows Rev. Wright far better than any of us ever will. I accept his explanation. The politically convenient thing would be to cut and dry, drop his church, and run. He isn't doing that. He is standing up for what he believes in. I respect that, and frankly support him all the more for doing so.

Put it this way. Do you think Hillary Clinton or George Bush would make a similar speech? I don't.

I haven't come close to hearing anything near the level of rhetoric from Wright from my current minister at the Church of Christ I attend. When I met my wife, she was a member of one of the largest majority black Church of Christ congregations in Atlanta. In the services I attended there, nothing came within a moonshot of what I saw from Wright.

Yeah, churches are run by people and they can make mistakes and do bad things just as people are apt to do. Nobody is claiming perfection. However, people also have the option of leaving a church where they feel their views don't align with that of the minister and congregation. My wife and I did just that with one church when we didn't agree with the pastor's social commentary from the pulpit. We left another church just because it felt very clickish and we weren't sure where we fit in. We've not found a home in our current church and enjoy the minister, the service opportunities, and the people very much.

What's Obama's excuse?

 

[Carmen813]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Carmen813

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: Carmen813
I suggest listening to him make his speech. You can tell the points he really cares about a lot more easily.
http://my.barackobama.com/page...samgrahamfelsen/gGBbKG

But first you need to watch this Angry Ranting Non Man of God

And that is not edited by Fox News or any conservative news outlet.

I could care less with what Barack Obamas pastor has to say. Rev. Wright is not running for President, Barack Obama is. If you don't think extremely controversial things are said in sermons every week of every religion, then you haven't gone to Church. I went to Catholic Church for 16 years. I was confirmed in the Catholic Religion. When my parents got divorced the church ordered that they DISOWN me and my siblings.

Barack offered his explanation. The man was obviously a big part of his life. He knows Rev. Wright far better than any of us ever will. I accept his explanation. The politically convenient thing would be to cut and dry, drop his church, and run. He isn't doing that. He is standing up for what he believes in. I respect that, and frankly support him all the more for doing so.

Put it this way. Do you think Hillary Clinton or George Bush would make a similar speech? I don't.

I haven't come close to hearing anything near the level of rhetoric from Wright from my current minister at the Church of Christ I attend. When I met my wife, she was a member of one of the largest majority black Church of Christ congregations in Atlanta. In the services I attended there, nothing came within a moonshot of what I saw from Wright.

Yeah, churches are run by people and they can make mistakes and do bad things just as people are apt to do. Nobody is claiming perfection. However, people also have the option of leaving a church where they feel their views don't align with that of the minister and congregation. My wife and I did just that with one church when we didn't agree with the pastor's social commentary from the pulpit. We left another church just because it felt very clickish and we weren't sure where we fit in. We've not found a home in our current church and enjoy the minister, the service opportunities, and the people very much.

What's Obama's excuse?

And you've obviously seen all of Rev. Wright's sermons, having attending his church regularly for 20 years? Or are you basing your judgment based on the clips the media chooses to play and what you foud on youtube?


The Bible says some pretty controversial things. Especially if you are a woman, go read Genesis, you'll be amazed at how wrong it is.

It's a basis of faith, the man brought him into the Church, the man is his mentor. Are your mentor's flawless? I love my dad, but he's somewhat racist. My stepdad says similar things that Rev. Wright says, except the white version of the rhetoric. He's still a good man, and I totally disagree with him.

So my question is, why does this matter? Obama has explained himself. Are we all going to be so naive as to think that Obama believes every single thing his pastor said? How is this relevant? Does this mean I should believe everything McCains Grandfather said? Or Hillary's Favorite Professor in College?
Gimme a break. Where does it end?

This year is our chance to finally change this countries path. It's been going to the shitter for over 20 years. Let's not cheat ourselves and make these petty issues what the campaign is about!!

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Carmen813
I could care less with what Barack Obamas pastor has to say. Rev. Wright is not running for President, Barack Obama is. If you don't think extremely controversial things are said in sermons every week of every religion, then you haven't gone to Church.

controversial != racist

If my religious leader spouted anti-black commentary, not merely political or socially controversial statements, but racist drivel, I'd leave, and I'd condemn anyone who stayed. This nut claims the US government created AIDS to kill blacks for chrissake. Exactly how close to Obama does a racist have to be in order for you to care about it? Just admit that even if his wife came out and said she hates white people and think they all need to die you'd still support Obama because it wasn't him who said it.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Carmen813

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Carmen813

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: Carmen813
I suggest listening to him make his speech. You can tell the points he really cares about a lot more easily.
http://my.barackobama.com/page...samgrahamfelsen/gGBbKG

But first you need to watch this Angry Ranting Non Man of God

And that is not edited by Fox News or any conservative news outlet.

I could care less with what Barack Obamas pastor has to say. Rev. Wright is not running for President, Barack Obama is. If you don't think extremely controversial things are said in sermons every week of every religion, then you haven't gone to Church. I went to Catholic Church for 16 years. I was confirmed in the Catholic Religion. When my parents got divorced the church ordered that they DISOWN me and my siblings.

Barack offered his explanation. The man was obviously a big part of his life. He knows Rev. Wright far better than any of us ever will. I accept his explanation. The politically convenient thing would be to cut and dry, drop his church, and run. He isn't doing that. He is standing up for what he believes in. I respect that, and frankly support him all the more for doing so.

Put it this way. Do you think Hillary Clinton or George Bush would make a similar speech? I don't.

I haven't come close to hearing anything near the level of rhetoric from Wright from my current minister at the Church of Christ I attend. When I met my wife, she was a member of one of the largest majority black Church of Christ congregations in Atlanta. In the services I attended there, nothing came within a moonshot of what I saw from Wright.

Yeah, churches are run by people and they can make mistakes and do bad things just as people are apt to do. Nobody is claiming perfection. However, people also have the option of leaving a church where they feel their views don't align with that of the minister and congregation. My wife and I did just that with one church when we didn't agree with the pastor's social commentary from the pulpit. We left another church just because it felt very clickish and we weren't sure where we fit in. We've not found a home in our current church and enjoy the minister, the service opportunities, and the people very much.

What's Obama's excuse?

And you've obviously seen all of Rev. Wright's sermons, having attending his church regularly for 20 years? Or are you basing your judgment based on the clips the media chooses to play and what you foud on youtube?

If you do a search, you'll find a number of articles over the past year that have identified multiple sermons where he's spoken this trash over the years.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: Queasy

I haven't come close to hearing anything near the level of rhetoric from Wright from current minister at the Church of Christ I attend. When I met my wife, she was a member of one of the largest majority black Church of Christ congregations in Atlanta. In the services I attended there, nothing came within a moonshot of what I saw from Wright.

Yeah, churches are run by people and they can make mistakes and do bad things just as people are apt to do. Nobody is claiming perfection. However, people also have the option of leaving a church where they feel their views don't align with that of the minister and congregation. My wife and I did just that with one church when we didn't agree with the pastor's social commentary from the pulpit. We left another church just because it felt very clickish and we weren't sure where we fit in. We've not found a home in our current church and enjoy the minister, the service opportunities, and the people very much.

What's Obama's excuse?

From what I heard earlier from him, he doesn't have nor need an excuse.

I'm truly amazed that this many people in this day and age feel that this is an issue. He stated that the man that he knows and that the church that he knows is not represented in the 20 second sound bites being constantly played over and over. Why must he leave a church that he might agree with 99% of the message and work they are doing over 1% disagreement.

How can you possibly be so closed minded and naive to think that his whole 20 year relationship with this man and this church was nothing but racial rantings? To judge either based on so little evidence is not only stupid but completely hypocritical to Christian teachings. To banish them because of it would be even less Christian-like. I'm sure that you are in 100% agreement with everything that is said and done by representatives of your current church now, right?

I applaud Obama for not only decrying the rants but for standing by the man in spite of them based on all of the good that he has been able to do both for his country and his community. The man fought for his country as a marine and has given his life to trying to build the community around him into a better place for everyone and give those living it in a fighting chance to further improve their lot in life.

Why is it so hard for people to not throw the baby out with the bathwater?

Some guy once said something about the perfect getting to take aim first. Are you claiming that you are perfect and get to wind up?

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: Carmen813
I could care less with what Barack Obamas pastor has to say. Rev. Wright is not running for President, Barack Obama is. If you don't think extremely controversial things are said in sermons every week of every religion, then you haven't gone to Church.

controversial != racist

If my religious leader spouted anti-black commentary, not merely political or socially controversial statements, but racist drivel, I'd leave, and I'd condemn anyone who stayed. This nut claims the US government created AIDS to kill blacks for chrissake. Exactly how close to Obama does a racist have to be in order for you to care about it? Just admit that even if his wife came out and said she hates white people and think they all need to die you'd still support Obama because it wasn't him who said it.

Not all the clips were racist. But they were all controversial.

 

[Carmen813]

Good Job, you've convinced me I should not vote for Rev. Wright for President.

Now find something that convinces me not to vote for Obama. You will never convince me with this crap. Find me something about his plans for the U.S. govt, economy, healthcare, foreign policy. SOMETHING that ACTUALLY MATTERS.

I mean, we put up with Bill Clinton cheating on his wife, something I consider a lot more 'wrong' then disagreeing with what your pastor says but still attending church. McCain constantly blows his lid and spouts some pretty insane shit, but he is his parties nominee. So I ask again, show me something relevant.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: Queasy

I haven't come close to hearing anything near the level of rhetoric from Wright from current minister at the Church of Christ I attend. When I met my wife, she was a member of one of the largest majority black Church of Christ congregations in Atlanta. In the services I attended there, nothing came within a moonshot of what I saw from Wright.

Yeah, churches are run by people and they can make mistakes and do bad things just as people are apt to do. Nobody is claiming perfection. However, people also have the option of leaving a church where they feel their views don't align with that of the minister and congregation. My wife and I did just that with one church when we didn't agree with the pastor's social commentary from the pulpit. We left another church just because it felt very clickish and we weren't sure where we fit in. We've not found a home in our current church and enjoy the minister, the service opportunities, and the people very much.

What's Obama's excuse?

From what I heard earlier from him, he doesn't have nor need an excuse.

I'm truly amazed that this many people in this day and age feel that this is an issue. He stated that the man that he knows and that the church that he knows is not represented in the 20 second sound bites being constantly played over and over. Why must he leave a church that he might agree with 99% of the message and work they are doing over 1% disagreement.

How can you possibly be so closed minded and naive to think that his whole 20 year relationship with this man and this church was nothing but racial rantings? To judge either based on so little evidence is not only stupid but completely hypocritical to Christian teachings. To banish them because of it would be even less Christian-like. I'm sure that you are in 100% agreement with everything that is said and done by representatives of your current church now, right?

I applaud Obama for not only decrying the rants but for standing by the man in spite of them based on all of the good that he has been able to do both for his country and his community. The man fought for his country as a marine and has given his life to trying to build the community around him into a better place for everyone and give those living it in a fighting chance to further improve their lot in life.

Why is it so hard for people to not throw the baby out with the bathwater?

Some guy once said something about the perfect getting to take aim first. Are you claiming that you are perfect and get to wind up?

No, I'm not perfect nor do I claim to be. No, I don't agree with 100% of everything my church says or does either. However, Wright's comments are so over-the-top (US of KKK-A, government created AIDs as a means of genocide against colored people, God Damn America, white greed, etc) that if my minister made similar comments, I would not attend that church again...ever. It is clear that these comments are not something new and Obama was obviously aware of them. But he chose to walk a fine line for the political benefits of being a member of a powerful black church in Chicago.

Why is it OK to decry McCain's connections to Hagee, Falwell, Robertson but applaud Obama for standing by Wright?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Queasy
Why is it OK to decry McCain's connections to Hagee, Falwell, Robertson but applaud Obama for standing by Wright?

:roll:

 

[Modelworks]

What gets me is people who think this is what Obama believes, its what he had to say to try to get some voters back.
Its a political speech.
He didn't sit down and write it word for word.
Politicians haven't done that in a long long time.
Its all rehearsed, rewritten, analyzed, and reviewed to say what will please the most people.

What says it better than any speech is that he knew what the pastor was like and still continued to support him, prior to running for president .
If you don't agree with your pastor, you don't invite him to baptize your family

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Queasy
Why is it OK to decry McCain's connections to Hagee, Falwell, Robertson but applaud Obama for standing by Wright?

:roll:

Glad to see you put a lot of thought into that.

Honest question. I'm not a McCain supporter but I've already seen several people make the connection between McCain and Hagee's, Falwell's, and Robertson's reprehensible comments. Wright makes reprehensible comments yet RightIsWrong just said Obama should be applauded for sticking with Wright.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
What gets me is people who think this is what Obama believes, its what he had to say to try to get some voters back.
Its a political speech.
He didn't sit down and write it word for word.
Politicians haven't done that in a long long time.
Its all rehearsed, rewritten, analyzed, and reviewed to say what will please the most people.

What says it better than any speech is that he knew what the pastor was like and still continued to support him, prior to running for president .
If you don't agree with your pastor, you don't invite him to baptize your family

I can't say for sure Obama rejects all the radical claims, but I am pretty certain he does subscribe to the whole blame white people blacks are victims we need to be racist to counter their racism let's use politics as a tool to redistribute wealth.

 

[IGBT]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Queasy
Why is it OK to decry McCain's connections to Hagee, Falwell, Robertson but applaud Obama for standing by Wright?

:roll:

Glad to see you put a lot of thought into that.

Honest question. I'm not a McCain supporter but I've already seen several people make the connection between McCain and Hagee's, Falwell's, and Robertson's reprehensible comments. Wright makes reprehensible comments yet RightIsWrong just said Obama should be applauded for sticking with Wright.

..Didn't obama say he "profoundly" disagrees with wright?? And if that's true (obama said it) why the "advisory" position on obama's campaign?

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Queasy
Why is it OK to decry McCain's connections to Hagee, Falwell, Robertson but applaud Obama for standing by Wright?

:roll:

Glad to see you put a lot of thought into that.

Honest question. I'm not a McCain supporter but I've already seen several people make the connection between McCain and Hagee's, Falwell's, and Robertson's reprehensible comments. Wright makes reprehensible comments yet RightIsWrong just said Obama should be applauded for sticking with Wright.

MCCain's relationship with those men is political and one of conveniece. Obama's relationship with is pastor is beyond political and started with their them helping the poor in Chicago. So, for McCain to seek the support of such men says a lot about him whereas Obama has had a much more complex relationship with his pastor.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Queasy
Why is it OK to decry McCain's connections to Hagee, Falwell, Robertson but applaud Obama for standing by Wright?

:roll:

Glad to see you put a lot of thought into that.

Honest question. I'm not a McCain supporter but I've already seen several people make the connection between McCain and Hagee's, Falwell's, and Robertson's reprehensible comments. Wright makes reprehensible comments yet RightIsWrong just said Obama should be applauded for sticking with Wright.

I put as much thought into it as it deserved. The context from Obama supporters is why does McCain get a pass for his connections to bigots while Obama is being decried? And you spun that right upside-down, now didn't you?...

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Queasy
Why is it OK to decry McCain's connections to Hagee, Falwell, Robertson but applaud Obama for standing by Wright?

:roll:

Glad to see you put a lot of thought into that.

Honest question. I'm not a McCain supporter but I've already seen several people make the connection between McCain and Hagee's, Falwell's, and Robertson's reprehensible comments. Wright makes reprehensible comments yet RightIsWrong just said Obama should be applauded for sticking with Wright.

The point is this :

McCain is not a far-right fundamentalist Christian. Before, and especially in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, McCain was outspoken against the kind of intolerance and hate that is spewed by the likes of Falwell and Robertson.

Fast forward to the runup towards the '08 campaign, and McCain realizes that if he doesn't at least get some of the far-right religious leaders at least on speaking terms with him, he's going to get burned when voting happens, because the fundamentalist Christians were numerous enough in their support to get the vote out for Bush in both '00 and '04.

So basically, McCain calls a spade a spade, and decries the evil venomous hatred that those goons pooped out of their anus mouths after 9/11, and now that it's time to rally the (R) base, he's now trying to mend fences and reach for the support of their followers. He's doing this despite knowing full well the evil that he's courting.

Obama, OTOH, has been a member of a church that has self-reliance at the core of it's central message. Sure the guy is a little wacky, but he doesn't advocate violence or hatred in any way. I don't think it's insane to have a predominantly black church to focus on predominantly black problems. It's far better than a message that they're beyond hope. It's a far better message than saying that you have to rely on outside help in order to survive. Obama has forged this relationship with a man who's very much trying to help his community, and the good definitely outweighs the bad.

Obama has comprehensively disavowed the divisive and controversial remarks of this man as reprehensible and irresponsible. At the same time, he's acknowledging real issues that confront us in modern society. If you listen to his message, he's trying to deflate, rather than inflame the issue of racism, and to advance to call towards mutual respect and human dignity.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Queasy
Why is it OK to decry McCain's connections to Hagee, Falwell, Robertson but applaud Obama for standing by Wright?

:roll:

Glad to see you put a lot of thought into that.

Honest question. I'm not a McCain supporter but I've already seen several people make the connection between McCain and Hagee's, Falwell's, and Robertson's reprehensible comments. Wright makes reprehensible comments yet RightIsWrong just said Obama should be applauded for sticking with Wright.

I said that based on the fact that he didn't drop him off in the middle of the desert and drive off like he never knew him.

He has known the man for over 20 years and he stood by someone that is close regardless of the political ramifications. He (Obama) expressed his views on the topic of the pastor's inflammatory remarks and gave what I believe to be an honest reason for standing beside him.

McCain however has never been close to any of the above mentioned men and has only started sucking up to them because of what they can do for him politically.

That is the difference for my support of Obama while condemning McCain for what might be seen as similar behavior but is in reality, miles apart.

Edit: Looks like a lot beat me to the punch but the sentiments are all the same.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: IGBT

..Didn't obama say he "profoundly" disagrees with wright?? And if that's true (obama said it) why the "advisory" position on obama's campaign?

What advisory board was he on? Oh, that's right.....his SPIRITUAL advisory board. Can you show where Obama stated that he profoundly disagrees with Wright re:religion therefore making his appointment to that board questionable at best?

 

[rchiu]

Quote: Mr. Obama said. ?Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely ? just as I?m sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed.?

So just last week Obama said he never heard Wrights making those remark and now he admits it? If I heard my priest talking about abortion clinic shooting is justified, I would never attend that church ever. Wright didn't just have those radical political views, he mixed them into his sermons, his preachings and his speeches. It's one thing to attend a church and the paster have certain view but discuss it in private, and totally different when the paster talk about it in the open as part of the sermon. When the paster does that, it means the church, the community and people goes there sanctions and supports those view. It sure is convenient for Obama to sanctions and supports those views for 20 years and garners support from the black community with those views, and now when it's a liability and he comes out and distance himself from it.

 

[yllus]

Masterful speech. Touched on all the important points and was logical in disseminating each. If he uses a speechwriter, he needs to triple his/her salary.

I can identify with Obama for knowing and even being close friends with someone who would utter that filth. I've heard the same - well, worse - from family friends for years. And while at the dinner table I don't let those statements be expressed within my earshot without being challenged, I can recognize the imperfection in the situation. His pastor has likely said many a good, inspiring thing to him. His pastor has also likely said many a negative, distorted thing. Can we reasonably demand accuracy, unpartisan and non-discriminatory statements out of a human being 100% of the time - and if not, cut them off?

That, to me, is plainly unrealistic. Much depends on the good to bad ratio of these statements being uttered, but the incredibly simplified view of things popular on Internet forums once again shows its flaws: Life isn't that simple, folks.

There is also the question of how hearing these statements has affected the senator's personal views. While guilt by association is a wonderfully easy to use tool for the intellectually lazy, it would be nice if some concrete examples of these slanted views showed up. This is certainly worth a cautionary asterisk, but if I'm going to convict a man for a crime, it'll be for what he's said or done, not his pastor.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: rchiu
Quote: Mr. Obama said. ?Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely ? just as I?m sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed.?

So just last week Obama said he never heard Wrights making those remark and now he admits it?

Read it again. He didn't admit to hearing the remarks that have been plastered all of soundbite central news reports. He admits that he heard things that were controversial that could have been anything under the sun EXCEPT those remarks and still would have been 100% truthful.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: rchiu
Quote: Mr. Obama said. ?Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely ? just as I?m sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed.?

So just last week Obama said he never heard Wrights making those remark and now he admits it? If I heard my priest talking about abortion clinic shooting is justified, I would never attend that church ever. Wright didn't just have those radical political views, he mixed them into his sermons, his preachings and his speeches. It's one thing to attend a church and the paster have certain view but discuss it in private, and totally different when the paster talk about it in the open as part of the sermon. When the paster does that, it means the church, the community and people goes there sanctions and supports those view. It sure is convenient for Obama to sanctions and supports those views for 20 years and garners support from the black community with those views, and now when it's a liability and he comes out and distance himself from it.

You're trying to obfuscate.

 

[chowderhead]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Queasy
Why is it OK to decry McCain's connections to Hagee, Falwell, Robertson but applaud Obama for standing by Wright?

:roll:

Glad to see you put a lot of thought into that.

Honest question. I'm not a McCain supporter but I've already seen several people make the connection between McCain and Hagee's, Falwell's, and Robertson's reprehensible comments. Wright makes reprehensible comments yet RightIsWrong just said Obama should be applauded for sticking with Wright.

I said that based on the fact that he didn't drop him off in the middle of the desert and drive off like he never knew him.

He has known the man for over 20 years and he stood by someone that is close regardless of the political ramifications. He (Obama) expressed his views on the topic of the pastor's inflammatory remarks and gave what I believe to be an honest reason for standing beside him.

McCain however has never been close to any of the above mentioned men and has only started sucking up to them because of what they can do for him politically.

That is the difference for my support of Obama while condemning McCain for what might be seen as similar behavior but is in reality, miles apart.

Edit: Looks like a lot beat me to the punch but the sentiments are all the same.

yeah, like getting the support of the pastor of one of the largest black churches in Chicago when you are a ambitious, young and new to the area community organizer isn't trying to build a base of support. Everyone that sucks up to a minister is political but Obama is just above that. Right. Obama is a politician just like everyone else.