Question B650 motherboard's which one

[In2Photos]

Ok thanks everyone, really appreciate the info, So talking all your advice I brought the offset back up to -5 and the wattage to 100, and left the max temp set at 85, on CB I was only seeing 70-72 temps after i adjusted everything back up. downloaded my first game tonight , playing 1440 everything on high, temps in low 70's I think it might got as high as 75-76.

it seems funny,when I first started it up and then ran CB the first day, within no time it was running at its limit of 95, it seemed to get there really quick. and with just -5 offset and wattage its running 20 deg lower, I'm almost thinking to try it back at factor settings again just to see what it does, but I don't want to mess with to much .

one other question what temps should I see from the GPU? 7900xt xfx 310. I think the highest I seen so far is 66-68, what range should it be in and when is it starting to get to hot?

Thanks

Ps one other question, I downloaded all the drivers for the GPU etc , but should there be a hub/program I use to set the fan speed etc or monitor the GPU with. thanks

Fir the GPU you can use the AMD Adrenaline software. I believe it's the performance tab. On my 6800XT I was able to undervolt the card, overclock it slightly along with a memory overclock and consume about 200W instead of 270W and maintain stock performance numbers.

 

[NS99]

So I never ran Cinebench 24 just cinebench r23. I do have have to say I not sure how accurate it is,

My very first CB score was at stock was 19997, then once I had it undervolted etc to -30 85 temp and 85 w it was 18947 clock speeds went from 5300/5400 to 5000

The next day I started bring the offset etc back up from -30 etc my scores were around 18500, I finally settled on -5 offset. 85 temp and 100w, my temps came up from 58ish to 75ish, however my clock speeds stayed the same at 5000, so my final CB at -5 85, 85w was 18980 ish, but when running other stuff, my clock speeds are hitting as high as 5800, even in the one game I started i'm seeing 5500/5600,so I'm not sure why in CB my clock speeds are hung up on 5000.
idling my temp are 37-39, may bounce to low 40's clock speeds bounce between 3100 and 5200, playing the game cpu temp is 62 ish , GPU 66-67

Also I just picked up yesterday an MSI G272QPF E2 1440 monitor 180hz, not sure how good it is, but it was $100 off lol, so playing game my GPU is probably picking up more of the work load then the cpu as opposed to my 1080p monitor

 

[NS99]

Fir the GPU you can use the AMD Adrenaline software. I believe it's the performance tab. On my 6800XT I was able to undervolt the card, overclock it slightly along with a memory overclock and consume about 200W instead of 270W and maintain stock performance numbers.

Thanks I may look into that, but not sure if i'm going to screw with the gpu to much, my 7900 is eating 350w for the fun of it lol

 

[Rigg]

So I never ran Cinebench 24 just cinebench r23. I do have have to say I not sure how accurate it is,

My very first CB score was at stock was 19997, then once I had it undervolted etc to -30 85 temp and 85 w it was 18947 clock speeds went from 5300/5400 to 5000

The next day I started bring the offset etc back up from -30 etc my scores were around 18500, I finally settled on -5 offset. 85 temp and 100w, my temps came up from 58ish to 75ish, however my clock speeds stayed the same at 5000, so my final CB at -5 85, 85w was 18980 ish, but when running other stuff, my clock speeds are hitting as high as 5800, even in the one game I started i'm seeing 5500/5600,so I'm not sure why in CB my clock speeds are hung up on 5000.
idling my temp are 37-39, may bounce to low 40's clock speeds bounce between 3100 and 5200, playing the game cpu temp is 62 ish , GPU 66-67

Also I just picked up yesterday an MSI G272QPF E2 1440 monitor 180hz, not sure how good it is, but it was $100 off lol, so playing game my GPU is probably picking up more of the work load then the cpu as opposed to my 1080p monitor

The clock speed and voltage work on a curve. The higher the frequency the more voltage it uses. In a lighter load the CPU will use a higher core voltage to achieve higher clocks while in a heavy load it will throttle back clocks/core voltage once it hits thermal or power limits. When you use the curve optimizer to apply a negative offset you are lowering the voltage the CPU is given to reach a given frequency. As a result the power usage and heat is reduced but the CPU may become unstable. The Cinebench score will correlate directly to the maintained clock speed under load. You appear to have just found two different ways to limit the clock to 5000.

Are you using HWiNFO64 to monitor? What CB23 score does it get with the default power limit and an 80C temp limit at -10 or -20 offset? How much power does it use with those setting? My 7700X is on a Linux machine so I can't run Cinebench with those settings, but my 7900X gets over 29000 at 160ish watts with -20/80C with an air cooler.

 

[NS99]

The clock speed and voltage work on a curve. The higher the frequency the more voltage it uses. In a lighter load the CPU will use a higher core voltage to achieve higher clocks while in a heavy load it will throttle back clocks/core voltage once it hits thermal or power limits. When you use the curve optimizer to apply a negative offset you are lowering the voltage the CPU is given to reach a given frequency. As a result the power usage and heat is reduced but the CPU may become unstable. The Cinebench score will correlate directly to the maintained clock speed under load. You appear to have just found two different ways to limit the clock to 5000.

Are you using HWiNFO64 to monitor? What CB23 score does it get with the default power limit and an 80C temp limit at -10 or -20 offset? How much power does it use with those setting? My 7700X is on a Linux machine so I can't run Cinebench with those settings, but my 7900X gets over 29000 at 160ish watts with -20/80C with an air cooler.

I know the basics about how it works,probably just enough to get my self in trouble lol. Yes using Hwmonitor and MSI afterburner during gaming just see whats it doing.

I never ran it at what you specified, I may give it a try and see, I also may put it right back to its factory settings and see how it preforms during gaming. I'd be curious to see if ti runs up to the 95c, and what it uses for power. when I ran CB the first time I didn't see what it was using for power. I'd also like to see if there is much of difference in FPS

your 7900x looks like it is running well, with that setup does it run to the 80c temp during gaming?
Here is a pic of mt PC

 

[Rigg]

I know the basics about how it works,probably just enough to get my self in trouble lol. Yes using Hwmonitor and MSI afterburner during gaming just see whats it doing.

I never ran it at what you specified, I may give it a try and see, I also may put it right back to its factory settings and see how it preforms during gaming. I'd be curious to see if ti runs up to the 95c, and what it uses for power. when I ran CB the first time I didn't see what it was using for power. I'd also like to see if there is much of difference in FPS

your 7900x looks like it is running well, with that setup does it run to the 80c temp during gaming?
Here is a pic of mt PC

Your PC turned out great! Looks slick. I don't game on the 7900X PC. I only use that for audio production. I have a dedicated 7800X3D/7900XT gaming rig. I doubt you'll come anywhere near hitting 80C even in CPU intense games. A gaming workload doesn't typically load the cores hard enough for that. The stock settings won't improve anything gaming wise unless you're currently bumping up against the 100W PPT limit you have set. That seems unlikely in most if not all games. You'll have to verify that though.

 

[NS99]

Your PC turned out great! Looks slick. I don't game on the 7900X PC. I only use that for audio production. I have a dedicated 7800X3D/7900XT gaming rig. I doubt you'll come anywhere near hitting 80C even in CPU intense games. A gaming workload doesn't typically load the cores hard enough for that. The stock settings won't improve anything gaming wise unless you're currently bumping up against the 100W PPT limit you have set. That seems unlikely in most if not all games. You'll have to verify that though.

Thanks Rigg, You were a big help in me building this, I really appreciate all the time you gave me answering all my question, and the same to everyone else that helped. I'm going to the -20 80c and default power setting later I'll let you know? the game I'm playing is still a beta / early access version, o i'm not to sure if making any changes will really translate over to that, probably just in CB

 

[NS99]

Fir the GPU you can use the AMD Adrenaline software. I believe it's the performance tab. On my 6800XT I was able to undervolt the card, overclock it slightly along with a memory overclock and consume about 200W instead of 270W and maintain stock performance numbers.

So I played around with it a bit, I used this video as my guide.

So basically I raised the total power limit m 0 to 15
Brought the fan speed down to 50% max
Brought the max frequency from 2790 to 3000
and the voltage from 1100 to 1070 currently.I never tried any lower yet. I did nothing with the VRAM

Now I only have one game so far lol, but more to come soon, so I'm not sure how it will translate over multiple games, and it is an early access game , but here s what I'm seeing, power usage is up by 50 watts anyhow, there maybe a bump in Fps but not really noticeable, and my temp are only down a few deg. but I did also lower my max fan speed by 50%

So the question is should I keep dropping the voltage to see what it does? in this video the guy has his down to 1040, in other ones I seen as low as 1020, depending on how stable the GPU is.

any suggestions.
thanks

 

[In2Photos]

So I played around with it a bit, I used this video as my guide.

So basically I raised the total power limit m 0 to 15
Brought the fan speed down to 50% max
Brought the max frequency from 2790 to 3000
and the voltage from 1100 to 1070 currently.I never tried any lower yet. I did nothing with the VRAM

Now I only have one game so far lol, but more to come soon, so I'm not sure how it will translate over multiple games, and it is an early access game , but here s what I'm seeing, power usage is up by 50 watts anyhow, there maybe a bump in Fps but not really noticeable, and my temp are only down a few deg. but I did also lower my max fan speed by 50%

So the question is should I keep dropping the voltage to see what it does? in this video the guy has his down to 1040, in other ones I seen as low as 1020, depending on how stable the GPU is.

any suggestions.
thanks

It depends on what you are trying to achieve. I wanted to keep performance up while reducing power consumption and therefore geat.

Going from memory I'll have to verify tomorrow, but I left the power limit at 0. Bumped frequency up a little, vram all the way up and voltage at like 1050 I think.

Going up 210 MHz is going to consume some power. If you back that down a little I'm sure power would drop back down.

 

[igor_kavinski]

vram all the way up

Isn't that risky or was it an informed decision? Damaged VRAM is the most likely culprit in snowy graphical glitches I think.

 

[NS99]

Isn't that risky or was it an informed decision? Damaged VRAM is the most likely culprit in snowy graphical glitches I think.

Yeah from what I'm reading thats what I though too , I'll be curious to see how overclocked his VRAM is. I was going to go to 2600, just up 100 and try it. but I don't think i'm going to touch mine.

 

[NS99]

Has anyone seen this before, I'm assuming the DP means display port? it just started showing up, it just pops up then goes away , just on start up, I have Mcafee pop up that keeps popping up on my home screen and it takes several clicks to get it off, I've been chasing that to get rid of it, not sure if I did something to cause this DP pop up.I mostly just shut off the windows permission stuff, under privacy and security, and deleted onedrive.

Also AMD Adrenalin editor program for the GPU won't keep any of my custom setting saved, it defaulting back to the default settings. ant ideas on that as well. Thanks

 

[In2Photos]

Isn't that risky or was it an informed decision? Damaged VRAM is the most likely culprit in snowy graphical glitches I think.

I have 2 6800XT GPUS set up this way and never seen any ill affects. The slider shows it is up 7% to . I ran Heaven Unigine for testing the settings. Instability shows up pretty easily in that benchmark. Perhaps the RX7000 series is different.

Yeah from what I'm reading thats what I though too , I'll be curious to see how overclocked his VRAM is. I was going to go to 2600, just up 100 and try it. but I don't think i'm going to touch mine.

Here are stock settings vs my OC settings. VRAM is only up 7% (150 MHz)

Stock (2429MHz is 100%)


OC

Has anyone seen this before, I'm assuming the DP means display port? it just started showing up, it just pops up then goes away , just on start up, I have Mcafee pop up that keeps popping up on my home screen and it takes several clicks to get it off, I've been chasing that to get rid of it, not sure if I did something to cause this DP pop up.I mostly just shut off the windows permission stuff, under privacy and security, and deleted onedrive.

Also AMD Adrenalin editor program for the GPU won't keep any of my custom setting saved, it defaulting back to the default settings. ant ideas on that as well. Thanks

That looks like your monitor turning on. Mine shows DP when they come as well.

For Adrenaline I saved the changes I made to a profile so I can go back to it if I want to play around, but my settings stick through a reboot. May be a bug in the version you are running?

 

[In2Photos]

You are clicking on apply after making changes correct?

 

[NS99]

You are clicking on apply after making changes correct?

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yes definitely.

I tried switching out the display port cable to the monitor with a HDMI cable, same thing still getting the DP no signal, it will restart fine, the monitor will start up, but not if i try to load into bios, I get a black,,that an issue lol. I have a restore point just after windows was installed, wondering if i should to a restore, if I can't figure it out

 

[In2Photos]

yes definitely.

I tried switching out the display port cable to the monitor with a HDMI cable, same thing still getting the DP no signal, it will restart fine, the monitor will start up, but not if i try to load into bios, I get a black,,that an issue lol. I have a restore point just after windows was installed, wondering if i should to a restore, if I can't figure it out

Do you have a different monitor you can test with to see if it goes away?

 

[NS99]

yes I do good thinking, Also just thinking about, this DP started yesterday I think, after i was in to the Adrenaline program, think the 2 could be connect, I know GPU drivers are the latest, just funny adrenaline wont save my inputs, wondering should I delete it and reinstall it. Im going to try the other monitor ,i'll let you know

 

[NS99]

Ok so tried my old monitor, started up fine no DP signal message. So I''now assume its the monitor, drivers are up to date, I did it in the display port and 1 HDMI port , I'll try the other 2 HDMI ports if it does it in all of them I assume its a monitor issue. just thinking I'll try the monitor on my old pc

 

[NS99]

Ok so tried it on my old PC, and yes I'm getting the the DP message on that PC too, but only on a start up from shut down, it doesn't do it on a restart like my new pc , but my old pc starts up/ restarts way faster . it must be a monitor issue, before I take it back is there anything you think I should try on the monitor to fix it , like I say drivers are up to date, not sure what else I could do.

 

[igor_kavinski]

it must be a monitor issue, before I take it back is there anything you think I should try on the monitor to fix it , like I say drivers are up to date, not sure what else I could do.

Go into the monitor menu and look for some setting to disable OSD (onscreen display) notifications.

 

[In2Photos]

Ok so tried it on my old PC, and yes I'm getting the the DP message on that PC too, but only on a start up from shut down, it doesn't do it on a restart like my new pc , but my old pc starts up/ restarts way faster . it must be a monitor issue, before I take it back is there anything you think I should try on the monitor to fix it , like I say drivers are up to date, not sure what else I could do.

Yeah I don't think this is a problem per se. It's just the monitor going into power saving mode (sleep) when it doesn't have a signal. Maybe there are some settings to extend the power saving timer? My monitors (AOC) have a setting called "Off Timer" but I haven't tried adjusting that to see what it does.

 

[NS99]

Thanks i'll see what I can find, appreciate the help

 

[Shmee]

For the Radeon cards, you should be able to use MSI afterburner as well as the Radeon software for tweaking. Might give you some alternatives, if you want to check it out.

 

[NS99]

For the Radeon cards, you should be able to use MSI afterburner as well as the Radeon software for tweaking. Might give you some alternatives, if you want to check it out.

thanks shmee, I actually already have afterburner downloaded and are using it , just for in game display , maybe that why adrenakline won't save afterburner maybe overriding it , just a thought. adrenaline is simple to use that the only thing,. I'll look into afterburner a bit and see how that works,

 

[In2Photos]

thanks shmee, I actually already have afterburner downloaded and are using it , just for in game display , maybe that why adrenakline won't save afterburner maybe overriding it , just a thought. adrenaline is simple to use that the only thing,. I'll look into afterburner a bit and see how that works,

That's probably what's happening. Afterburner is applying it's own settings. You can check this by disabling Afterburner on startup. Adrenaline also has an overlay you can use. But feel free to use either software to get the job done. I use Afterburner on an nVidia card in another PC. There was some possibility that Afterburner was going away since MSI wasn't able to pay the developer so I chose to use Adrenaline on my new PC.