Question B650 motherboard's which one

[NS99]

Hey @Rigg, or really anyone for that matter, you had mentioned about using the be quiet fans, they have the RGB light wings LX on sale up here, so I thought i should ask about them as I need 3 120s and 2 140's. They have 2 models by the looks of it a PWM high speed ARGB 2100 rpm at 61CFM and the standard PWM ARGB 1600 RPM at 51 CFM

I take it these are a pretty good fan over all? I never seen anything bad about them, and I assuming get the High speed one's, that way if you need the extra CFM you have it?
Also will these daisy chain together IE the 3 120's and have one set of connections to the board the same as 2 140's. Thanks

 

[Rigg]

Hey @Rigg, or really anyone for that matter, you had mentioned about using the be quiet fans, they have the RGB light wings LX on sale up here, so I thought i should ask about them as I need 3 120s and 2 140's. They have 2 models by the looks of it a PWM high speed ARGB 2100 rpm at 61CFM and the standard PWM ARGB 1600 RPM at 51 CFM

I take it these are a pretty good fan over all? I never seen anything bad about them, and I assuming get the High speed one's, that way if you need the extra CFM you have it?
Also will these daisy chain together IE the 3 120's and have one set of connections to the board the same as 2 140's. Thanks

I build and flip PC's fairly often. My experience with be quiet! products has been excellent in general. They're definitely one of my go to brands. I really like their cases, power supplies, and fans. The CPU heatsinks are kind of bad in my opinion though.

I haven't used the light wings LX's but I've used the Pure Base 500 FX case in a few builds (including my current gaming rig) which has the regular light wings fans. The light wings seem to work well as case fans and have really nice ARGB rings. The ARGB cases and multi fan packs also come with ARGB hubs which adds a bit of value. Especially when they're on sale.

I have some of the higher end 120MM fans as well. I have 6 of the older silent wings 3 hi speed fans in my 7900X build and a pair of silent wing 4 pros on a Thermalright Phantom Spirit EVO in my gaming rig. Those are very premium fans in both performance and cosmetics. They're also really expensive unless you buy them on sale. I've been really happy with them especially for the $20 or so a piece I paid for them. I just picked up 4 more pro 4s on sale for future use.

As long as you don't mind setting custom fan curves I'd go for the hi speed versions for the exact reason you pointed out. They'll be probably be too loud for daily use if you let them max out. The LX's are a more budget oriented fan but I'm sure they're totally fine (if not really good) compared to the competition in their price range. Especially as case intake/exhaust fans.

Are you keeping that NZXT AIO cooler in your build?

 

[NS99]

Thanks for all the info Rigg, thats awesome

yes still keeping the NZXT AIO, My plan is to run 3 120's intake in the front/corner, 2 140's intake from the bottom and the 2 140's on the top that will exhaust from the AIO, that should give me positive pressure and if I need to I can add a fan to the back.

I kinda like the RGB fans that have the led ring around the outside of the fan, like yours in the back of your pc,, but they don't really work for my bottom intakes, the led will be facing down, so I kinda have to go with the ones that light up from the center.

I looked at the NZXT fans the duo's are nice, but not great review for noise and quality, and there going to cost 2x as much as the be quiet light wings. I can get the 5 light wings right now for $85, and if I meed to pick up a hub I can, I have 2 NZXT hubs but I'm sure if they'll work for the light wings.

As far as running everything here is what I'm thinking of running, CPUID or OCCT, that will monitor everything, then Run Fan Control, to set my curves etc, I think I'll be able to set all my fans, but maybe not the GPU in that case I could add MSI Afterburner for the GPU. And then OPEN RGB to set all the RGB lighting. it will be about 3 different programs but it should cover everything.

 

[Rigg]

yes still keeping the NZXT AIO, My plan is to run 3 120's intake in the front/corner, 2 140's intake from the bottom and the 2 140's on the top that will exhaust from the AIO, that should give me positive pressure and if I need to I can add a fan to the back.

I was just looking at some testing data from Gamers Nexus' last cooler review, and the NZXT F140 fans on the Kraken X62 look really bad in noise normalized performance relative to other 280 AIOs. Assuming this data correlates to the F140 fans on your Kraken Elite cooler, it's probably not a very good performer for the money.

Spoiler

 

[biostud]

Never re-used a board in my life. New CPU = New board, to take full advantage of a new CPU.
Very few people I know ever just upgrade the CPU.

That might be so, but the current AM5 chipsets are literally the same chipsets rebranded (in the most confusing way), so you'll get nothing you're not paying for when choosing a X870.

 

[NS99]

I was just looking at some testing data from Gamers Nexus' last cooler review, and the NZXT F140 fans on the Kraken X62 look really bad in noise normalized performance relative to other 280 AIOs. Assuming this data correlates to the F140 fans on your Kraken Elite cooler, it's probably not a very good performer for the money.

Yeah I saw that too, But i think the X62 has the Aer P140 fan's mine has the core F140. I read some stuff that said the f140's were better, but I don't expect them to be a a lot better. I'm still toying with the idea of selling the kraken and getting an Artic freezzer 3, but in the end I'm not sure if i'm really gaining anything.

otherwise I'll stick with the Kraken and if the light wing fans I have are much better I'll see if I can't switch them out for those.

Either way I have all the stuff now and Xmas day its going all together.

 

[NS99]

This is my build, I probably could have done some things better but it is what it is, I'm happy with it, I wish I would I have started looking into building a PC in the spring because i would have been up to speed but early summer on all the parts, I was to late starting and missed out on the summer sales, that cost me the 7800x3d, however I still got my case and AIO half the price of what they are now, and I was hoping to get a 7800xt and ended up getting a 7900xt for $880 to my door, which is really what I would have paid for a 7800xt. So i'm under 2k for my build. but I think I ended up with a better pc then i originally thought I'd have. I guess we'll see.

again Rigg and everyone else thank you very much for talking the time to answer all my questions and offering your help and opinions, I really appreciate it. i'm sure though I'll have more lol.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/

 

[Rigg]

Yeah I saw that too, But i think the X62 has the Aer P140 fan's mine has the core F140. I read some stuff that said the f140's were better, but I don't expect them to be a a lot better. I'm still toying with the idea of selling the kraken and getting an Artic freezzer 3, but in the end I'm not sure if i'm really gaining anything.

otherwise I'll stick with the Kraken and if the light wing fans I have are much better I'll see if I can't switch them out for those.

Either way I have all the stuff now and Xmas day its going all together.

Yeah you're correct. I was mistaken. They are different fans on the X62. The core F140s have better static pressure specs so they should perform a bit better than Aer P140s. I'd also assume the core F140s would do a bit better than the light wings LX on a radiator.

I probably wouldn't flip it for another AIO and I agree that you probably wouldn't really gain anything. I'd swap it for an air cooler and put the difference toward some more storage or something if it were me. I'm not sure if it's worth the hassle for $70 or so though. The NZXT AIO should still work good on your 7700X.

 

[Rigg]

This is my build, I probably could have done some things better but it is what it is, I'm happy with it, I wish I would I have started looking into building a PC in the spring because i would have been up to speed but early summer on all the parts, I was to late starting and missed out on the summer sales, that cost me the 7800x3d, however I still got my case and AIO half the price of what they are now, and I was hoping to get a 7800xt and ended up getting a 7900xt for $880 to my door, which is really what I would have paid for a 7800xt. So i'm under 2k for my build. but I think I ended up with a better pc then i originally thought I'd have. I guess we'll see.

again Rigg and everyone else thank you very much for talking the time to answer all my questions and offering your help and opinions, I really appreciate it. i'm sure though I'll have more lol.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/

Your list is coming up blank for me.

 

[NS99]

Your list is coming up blank for me.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/8NJNPJ

Try that

 

[NS99]

Yeah you're correct. I was mistaken. They are different fans on the X62. The core F140s have better static pressure specs so they should perform a bit better than Aer P140s. I'd also assume the core F140s would do a bit better than the light wings LX on a radiator.

I probably wouldn't flip it for another AIO and I agree that you probably wouldn't really gain anything. I'd swap it for an air cooler and put the difference toward some more storage or something if it were me. I'm not sure if it's worth the hassle for $70 or so though. The NZXT AIO should still work good on your 7700X.

So there is some descend deals on SSD's right now, I can get a Teamgroup MP44 2 tb for $150, it has good read/write speeds.

My thinking was to to put windows, all my drives for everything, and programs on my 1 TB plus a game or 2 if I have room, then down the road add a second SSD 2 TB or better just for my games, i could add it now, the teamgroup MP44 should be perfectly fine for a second SDD to hold a few games,.

Your thoughts on that

 

[Rigg]

So there is some descend deals on SSD's right now, I can get a Teamgroup MP44 2 tb for $150, it has good read/write speeds.

My thinking was to to put windows, all my drives for everything, and programs on my 1 TB plus a game or 2 if I have room, then down the road add a second SSD 2 TB or better just for my games, i could add it now, the teamgroup MP44 should be perfectly fine for a second SDD to hold a few games,.

Your thoughts on that

That should be fine but I think you'll want more storage sooner than later. It's still generally recommended to leave 20% of your drive's free space open for optimal performance and longevity. Windows is pretty bloated and modern AAA games use a ton of storage. This is only getting worse too. If you keep big game installs to a minimum you should be fine for a while, but keep an eye out for a deal on a reliable 4TB NVME drive.

 

[NS99]

Here's a question for the windows users, A lot of the you tuber's advertise website that you can buy a windows key from for like 25-25 bucks. Are they legit? and save to use?
I'm going to use my windows 10 key from my old system and hope that works first,

 

[DAPUNISHER]

You can upgrade to windows 11 for free last I checked. Do the in place upgrade keeping everything. Once you have it attached to the board, you can do a fresh install if you want.

 

[In2Photos]

Here's a question for the windows users, A lot of the you tuber's advertise website that you can buy a windows key from for like 25-25 bucks. Are they legit? and save to use?
I'm going to use my windows 10 key from my old system and hope that works first,

The last 3 keys I've used I have bought from one of those sites. I used the site that Greg Salazar mentions. All 3 have worked just fine.

 

[NS99]

Hey Guys just a couple question, the BIOS updates, the last 2 updates are still listed as Beta versions, any reason I shouldn't update a Beta version? and also under the downloads on the MSI page there is a drive update released on 2024-11-05 for the AMD chip set , do I need to download and install that as well? or will that be in with all the bios stuff. Thanks

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Hey Guys just a couple question, the BIOS updates, the last 2 updates are still listed as Beta versions, any reason I shouldn't update a Beta version? and also under the downloads on the MSI page there is a drive update released on 2024-11-05 for the AMD chip set , do I need to download and install that as well? or will that be in with all the bios stuff. Thanks

You want both. Update the chipset drivers first. And while I have not had any trouble with beta version bios in a long time, you can run a quick search to confirm the latest for your board isn't getting too many complaints.

 

[NS99]

You want both. Update the chipset drivers first. And while I have not had any trouble with beta version bios in a long time, you can run a quick search to confirm the latest for your board isn't getting too many complaints.

Thank you
here is the MSI updates I'm looking at

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MAG-B650-TOMAHAWK-WIFI/support#utility

As you can see it has the bios update , driver update and a utility update
I guess I should do the utility update as well, should i do that after drive and bios?
Thanks, and Merry Christmas to everyone

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Thank you
here is the MSI updates I'm looking at

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MAG-B650-TOMAHAWK-WIFI/support#utility

As you can see it has the bios update , driver update and a utility update
I guess I should do the utility update as well, should i do that after drive and bios?

Yes, that's the installation order I follow.

Thanks, and Merry Christmas to everyone

Same to you. And I hope it's the best holiday ever for everyone that celebrates something this time of year.

 

[NS99]

Hey everyone hope your having a great holidays. I finally at last got my pc together. Between yesterday and today I got it built and started up etc. got everything updated etc without any issues. kinda surprised on how smooth it went lol.

I do have one question though, I;ve been playing around with it all evening seeing if I can't get the CPU temps down, as far as overclocking the only thing I did was turn on EXPO for the ram. on my first cinebench run it was right at 94-95 deg the whole time, CB score was 19997, I undervolted by 30, but it only brought the temps down a couple deg. then set max temp to 85, then set total wattage 85, after that run my temps never got any higher then 58, which I thought was awesome, that CB score was 18947, so I only lost about a 1000 point, I say only because I don;t really know if that is much or not. my clock speeds went from 5300\5400 ish to about 5000.

Here is my question, should I up my total wattage a bit to maybe 90-95, see if I can get the temps in the mid to high 60's, but to gain back a bit of performance, or am I better off keeping the temps where they are.
Thanks

 

[Rigg]

Hey everyone hope your having a great holidays. I finally at last got my pc together. Between yesterday and today I got it built and started up etc. got everything updated etc without any issues. kinda surprised on how smooth it went lol.

I do have one question though, I;ve been playing around with it all evening seeing if I can't get the CPU temps down, as far as overclocking the only thing I did was turn on EXPO for the ram. on my first cinebench run it was right at 94-95 deg the whole time, CB score was 19997, I undervolted by 30, but it only brought the temps down a couple deg. then set max temp to 85, then set total wattage 85, after that run my temps never got any higher then 58, which I thought was awesome, that CB score was 18947, so I only lost about a 1000 point, I say only because I don;t really know if that is much or not. my clock speeds went from 5300\5400 ish to about 5000.

Here is my question, should I up my total wattage a bit to maybe 90-95, see if I can get the temps in the mid to high 60's, but to gain back a bit of performance, or am I better off keeping the temps where they are.
Thanks

I wouldn't limit the power at all. You got 95% of the stock performance at 60% of the max stock PPT. You probably didn't hit the stock PPT before thermal throttling with out of the box settings. These things have really stupid stock settings and are generally thermally limited in a heavy workload like cinebench nT. This is what I was trying to explain earlier about more expensive cooling not really being that helpful. By the time you get these CPU's into a more sensible part of the efficiency curve they aren't that hard to cool. The easiest way to do that is to just lower the max temp limit and let it do it's thing. Just set the temp limit to 80-85C, leave the power limits on auto, and it will limit the power accordingly to stay at the temp limit.

-30 is a pretty aggressive curve optimizer offset. It's probably not totally stable unless it's a rather good piece of silicon. A -20 CO offset and an 80 C temp limit should get you full stock performance with considerably less than stock PPT.

 

[igor_kavinski]

my clock speeds went from 5300\5400 ish to about 5000.

Try running something like FF Dawntrail Standard laptop 720p benchmark and see how high the frequency gets. Should get close to 5400 MHz.

 

[CakeMonster]

Careful with the all core offsets, I've tried this on several builds and contrary to online guides who often portray this as 'guaranteed' or 'no-brainer', I've had very bad stability experiences with it after proper testing and usually completely dropped it now. Like @Rigg , I've put in some small additional temperature limits as most of the people I've built for are not happy with noise or heat.

 

[NS99]

Ok thanks everyone, really appreciate the info, So talking all your advice I brought the offset back up to -5 and the wattage to 100, and left the max temp set at 85, on CB I was only seeing 70-72 temps after i adjusted everything back up. downloaded my first game tonight , playing 1440 everything on high, temps in low 70's I think it might got as high as 75-76.

it seems funny,when I first started it up and then ran CB the first day, within no time it was running at its limit of 95, it seemed to get there really quick. and with just -5 offset and wattage its running 20 deg lower, I'm almost thinking to try it back at factor settings again just to see what it does, but I don't want to mess with to much .

one other question what temps should I see from the GPU? 7900xt xfx 310. I think the highest I seen so far is 66-68, what range should it be in and when is it starting to get to hot?

Thanks

Ps one other question, I downloaded all the drivers for the GPU etc , but should there be a hub/program I use to set the fan speed etc or monitor the GPU with. thanks

 

[Rigg]

Ok thanks everyone, really appreciate the info, So talking all your advice I brought the offset back up to -5 and the wattage to 100, and left the max temp set at 85, on CB I was only seeing 70-72 temps after i adjusted everything back up. downloaded my first game tonight , playing 1440 everything on high, temps in low 70's I think it might got as high as 75-76.

it seems funny,when I first started it up and then ran CB the first day, within no time it was running at its limit of 95, it seemed to get there really quick. and with just -5 offset and wattage its running 20 deg lower, I'm almost thinking to try it back at factor settings again just to see what it does, but I don't want to mess with to much .

one other question what temps should I see from the GPU? 7900xt xfx 310. I think the highest I seen so far is 66-68, what range should it be in and when is it starting to get to hot?

Thanks

Ps one other question, I downloaded all the drivers for the GPU etc , but should there be a hub/program I use to set the fan speed etc or monitor the GPU with. thanks

For the record, AMD says it's fine to run at 95C 24-7.

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I still think it's really stupid considering the small performance uptick you get in full chooch multi threaded workloads vs running some more sensible thermal/power limits. To be fair most people aren't running workloads like that very often and the stock settings are probably fine. The idle and low load power usage kind of sucks on these CPUs whatever you do. On most gaming rigs the only time you'll see a heavy workload like that in day to day use is during shader compilation.

What is your Cinebench 23 score at 100W? Have you run Cinebench 2024?