Ayers relationship w/Obama

[jjzelinski]

Originally posted by: Budmantom
Just because Barack Hussein Obama surrounds himself with people that hate the US doesn't mean that he agrees with them.

lol, pecker. At least the picture you managed to paint with your ridiculously broad brush was amusing

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: PokerGuy

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
As far as I can tell the stain on McCain is really the Keating Five stuff.

There's also George Bush and Dick Cheney.

Actually, McCain is not -- and never has been -- very close to Bush or Chaney. In fact, they don't appear to like each other much. They might share some ideology, but they certainly are not close buddies.

Sharing the same ideology as GWB is enough for me. No thanks.

They also share the same party....and those influential members of the party.

I'm not going to vote for the GOP influence or the GOP powerful...we've had that for the last 8 years and it sucked.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: PokerGuy

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
As far as I can tell the stain on McCain is really the Keating Five stuff.

There's also George Bush and Dick Cheney.

Actually, McCain is not -- and never has been -- very close to Bush or Chaney. In fact, they don't appear to like each other much. They might share some ideology, but they certainly are not close buddies.

Sharing the same ideology as GWB is enough for me. No thanks.

They also share the same party....and those influential members of the party.

I'm not going to vote for the GOP influence or the GOP powerful...we've had that for the last 8 years and it sucked.

See now this is the whole point. It seems that from his campaign platform that McCain shares a pretty substantial amount of GWB's and Cheney's ideology. That's a great reason not to like him, because he will likely implement policies you won't like. There is no evidence other then vague insinuation that Obama shares the parts of Ayers' philosophy that everyone is so up in arms about. If you can show me that Obama shares the values of the Weather Underground people (or whoever they were), that's a great reason not to like him too.

I'll be waiting.

 

[NeoV]

so it's not true that Ayers held a fundraiser for Obama?

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Budmantom
Just because Barack Hussein Obama surrounds himself with people that hate the US doesn't mean that he agrees with them.

:laugh:

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Vic
You seriously don't want to see the list of 'creeps' backing McCain, do you? Yaknow, KKK, Stormfront, Tom Metzger, John Hagee, Bill Lind, etc etc?

You seriously don't believe McCain had the close relationship that Obama had with his shady associates, do you?

First, BB was not listing people/groups that Obama had a close association with, but various groups that claim to be backing Obama. Whereupon I provided the list of various shady groups that are backing McCain.

Second, it is proven that Obama did NOT have a 'close relationship' with Ayers. Basically, Republican loyalists this year, in denial over the corruption and incompetence of the Bush admin, have gone off the deep-end with their usual lies and character assassinations. Frank Marshall Davis is another example, not only was he not Obama's 'mentor' but there is no actual evidence that they ever even met.

Third, it is a known fact that McCain has had many close relationships with shady associates in his political career. Charles Keating just for starters.


You should try believing what you see, instead of the other way around.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: PokerGuy

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
As far as I can tell the stain on McCain is really the Keating Five stuff.

There's also George Bush and Dick Cheney.

Actually, McCain is not -- and never has been -- very close to Bush or Chaney. In fact, they don't appear to like each other much. They might share some ideology, but they certainly are not close buddies.

Hey Stalin and Mao weren't buddies but they shared some ideology.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: PokerGuy

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
As far as I can tell the stain on McCain is really the Keating Five stuff.

There's also George Bush and Dick Cheney.

Actually, McCain is not -- and never has been -- very close to Bush or Chaney. In fact, they don't appear to like each other much. They might share some ideology, but they certainly are not close buddies.

Sharing the same ideology as GWB is enough for me. No thanks.

They also share the same party....and those influential members of the party.

I'm not going to vote for the GOP influence or the GOP powerful...we've had that for the last 8 years and it sucked.

Not to mention that McCain has virtually the entire Bush/Rove election team running his campaign, which is why we are being subjected to these ridiculous ads, again.

I can't wait to see the update to the 2004 "wolves are gathering" ad.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Budmantom
Didn't Hezbollah, Hamas & Iran endorse Obama?

If Hitler's corpse were reanimated and in a throaty growl it heartily endorsed McCain, then people shouldn't vote for him?

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: PokerGuy

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
As far as I can tell the stain on McCain is really the Keating Five stuff.

There's also George Bush and Dick Cheney.

Actually, McCain is not -- and never has been -- very close to Bush or Chaney. In fact, they don't appear to like each other much. They might share some ideology, but they certainly are not close buddies.

Sharing the same ideology as GWB is enough for me. No thanks.

They also share the same party....and those influential members of the party.

I'm not going to vote for the GOP influence or the GOP powerful...we've had that for the last 8 years and it sucked.

See now this is the whole point. It seems that from his campaign platform that McCain shares a pretty substantial amount of GWB's and Cheney's ideology. That's a great reason not to like him, because he will likely implement policies you won't like. There is no evidence other then vague insinuation that Obama shares the parts of Ayers' philosophy that everyone is so up in arms about. If you can show me that Obama shares the values of the Weather Underground people (or whoever they were), that's a great reason not to like him too.

I'll be waiting.

I will be waiting on this as well.

To take it a step further. If Rev Wright hates whitey so much, and Obama is/was associates with Rev Wright. Then I'd like to see the proof that Obama hates whitey too.

We've seen proof in the past of how whitey used to hate blacks...plenty of noose's hanging from oak trees all over in American history. I haven't seen much proof that Rev Wright hates whites...I HAVE seen proof that he is a bigot, and he is pissed off at whitey...but by definition, he hasn't proved that he is racist. Look it up.

So where is the proof that Obama hates white people? Is it because his pastor is a bigot?

There is obvious proof that McCain associates himself with GWB and Cheney. And there is proof that McCain will extend much of the same policies that GWB and his crew have implemented (His own comments are proof enough.) McCain has gone so far as to reverse his previous stance on issues so that he can line up with GWB and the neocon crew.

I have yet to see Obama make those same manuevers to line himself up with Wright and those other unknown whackos.

and btw- I KNOW this will fall on deaf ears. You detractors have your minds made up at this point.

 

[PokerGuy]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: PokerGuy

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
As far as I can tell the stain on McCain is really the Keating Five stuff.

There's also George Bush and Dick Cheney.

Actually, McCain is not -- and never has been -- very close to Bush or Chaney. In fact, they don't appear to like each other much. They might share some ideology, but they certainly are not close buddies.

Sharing the same ideology as GWB is enough for me. No thanks.

They also share the same party....and those influential members of the party.

I'm not going to vote for the GOP influence or the GOP powerful...we've had that for the last 8 years and it sucked.

See now this is the whole point. It seems that from his campaign platform that McCain shares a pretty substantial amount of GWB's and Cheney's ideology. That's a great reason not to like him, because he will likely implement policies you won't like. There is no evidence other then vague insinuation that Obama shares the parts of Ayers' philosophy that everyone is so up in arms about. If you can show me that Obama shares the values of the Weather Underground people (or whoever they were), that's a great reason not to like him too.

I'll be waiting.

If you don't like someone's ideology or disagree with them, that's fine. So you don't like Bush / Cheney's ideology, and McCain shares a lot of it, so you don't like McCain, that's perfectly fine too. That has nothing to do with the issue at hand, which is questioning someone's judgment because of who his close friends/buddies/mentors/pastor are.

I can't say anything about what values Obama shares with nutcases like Wright, but the fact that he considers him his "mentor" tells me all I need to know about his (lack of) judgment. He simply doesn't have any track record to tell us what he "really" believes, so what are we to go by? Empty scripted talks of hope and change?

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: PokerGuy

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: PokerGuy

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
As far as I can tell the stain on McCain is really the Keating Five stuff.

There's also George Bush and Dick Cheney.

Actually, McCain is not -- and never has been -- very close to Bush or Chaney. In fact, they don't appear to like each other much. They might share some ideology, but they certainly are not close buddies.

Sharing the same ideology as GWB is enough for me. No thanks.

They also share the same party....and those influential members of the party.

I'm not going to vote for the GOP influence or the GOP powerful...we've had that for the last 8 years and it sucked.

See now this is the whole point. It seems that from his campaign platform that McCain shares a pretty substantial amount of GWB's and Cheney's ideology. That's a great reason not to like him, because he will likely implement policies you won't like. There is no evidence other then vague insinuation that Obama shares the parts of Ayers' philosophy that everyone is so up in arms about. If you can show me that Obama shares the values of the Weather Underground people (or whoever they were), that's a great reason not to like him too.

I'll be waiting.

If you don't like someone's ideology or disagree with them, that's fine. So you don't like Bush / Cheney's ideology, and McCain shares a lot of it, so you don't like McCain, that's perfectly fine too. That has nothing to do with the issue at hand, which is questioning someone's judgment because of who his close friends/buddies/mentors/pastor are.

I can't say anything about what values Obama shares with nutcases like Wright, but the fact that he considers him his "mentor" tells me all I need to know about his (lack of) judgment. He simply doesn't have any track record to tell us what he "really" believes, so what are we to go by? Empty scripted talks of hope and change?

What proof do you have that McCains judgement is any better? Keating 5?

we can do this all day. Both candidates made mistakes in the past..can you at least agree on that?

Edit: and what does the bolded part above really mean? That comment is meaningless. Are you talking about what he believes regarding his favorite pizza place? whether or not he believes in big foot?

What he believes as far as economic policy?

What he believes as far as who will win this years super bowl?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: PokerGuy

Originally posted by: eskimospy

See now this is the whole point. It seems that from his campaign platform that McCain shares a pretty substantial amount of GWB's and Cheney's ideology. That's a great reason not to like him, because he will likely implement policies you won't like. There is no evidence other then vague insinuation that Obama shares the parts of Ayers' philosophy that everyone is so up in arms about. If you can show me that Obama shares the values of the Weather Underground people (or whoever they were), that's a great reason not to like him too.

I'll be waiting.

If you don't like someone's ideology or disagree with them, that's fine. So you don't like Bush / Cheney's ideology, and McCain shares a lot of it, so you don't like McCain, that's perfectly fine too. That has nothing to do with the issue at hand, which is questioning someone's judgment because of who his close friends/buddies/mentors/pastor are.

I can't say anything about what values Obama shares with nutcases like Wright, but the fact that he considers him his "mentor" tells me all I need to know about his (lack of) judgment. He simply doesn't have any track record to tell us what he "really" believes, so what are we to go by? Empty scripted talks of hope and change?

The guy has written two books and has an entire website dedicated to what he believes.

Ayers was not Obama's close friend or buddy.

If you want to base your opinion on someone around the pastor of his church that's fine. It seems like an awfully silly thing to do, but it's your business.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: PokerGuy

If you don't like someone's ideology or disagree with them, that's fine. So you don't like Bush / Cheney's ideology, and McCain shares a lot of it, so you don't like McCain, that's perfectly fine too. That has nothing to do with the issue at hand, which is questioning someone's judgment because of who his close friends/buddies/mentors/pastor are.

I can't say anything about what values Obama shares with nutcases like Wright, but the fact that he considers him his "mentor" tells me all I need to know about his (lack of) judgment. He simply doesn't have any track record to tell us what he "really" believes, so what are we to go by? Empty scripted talks of hope and change?

The fact that he's not an Amoral Interventionist Hypocrite Republican like yourself tells you all you need to know.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Just because Barack Hussein Obama surrounds himself with people that hate the US doesn't mean that he agrees with them.

What is it about Obama's middle name that makes so many idiots think that endlessly repeating it will somehow make their most pathetic implied lie that he's a Muslim come true?

And, for the sake of argument, if he were a Muslim, if you've never met nice, intelligent Muslims, try dragging your knuckles out of your cave and getting a broader view of the world. :roll:

The most pathetic aspect of recent Presidential campaigns has been why people get so hung up on religion, at all.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Just because Barack Hussein Obama surrounds himself with people that hate the US doesn't mean that he agrees with them.

What is it about Obama's middle name that makes so many idiots think that endlessly repeating it will somehow make their most pathetic implied lie that he's a Muslim come true?

And, for the sake of argument, if he were a Muslim, if you've never met nice, intelligent Muslims, try dragging your knuckles out of your cave and getting a broader view of the world. :roll:

The most pathetic aspect of recent Presidential campaigns has been why people get so hung up on religion, at all.

If you believed in God you might understand.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Budmantom
Didn't Hezbollah, Hamas & Iran endorse Obama?

If Hitler's corpse were reanimated and in a throaty growl it heartily endorsed McCain, then people shouldn't vote for him?

You've got to be joking, Hitler would endorse Obama.

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: UberNeuman
See how much fun this is..........

Didn't Hezbollah, Hamas & Iran endorse Obama?

Since you are apparently too dense to notice, the point was to show that fringe/retarded groups endorsing/associating themselves with a candidate doesn't actually mean that the candidate himself is bad.

Wright, Ayers, Rezco are not "fringe/retarded groups". They are people Obama ASSOCIATED HIMSELF WITH (some closer than others) in one way or another and threw them under the buss when it was most politically advantageous.

.......

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Budmantom
Didn't Hezbollah, Hamas & Iran endorse Obama?

If Hitler's corpse were reanimated and in a throaty growl it heartily endorsed McCain, then people shouldn't vote for him?

You've got to be joking, Hitler would endorse Obama.

You can't make up stupid like this. Let me guess, you think Hitler was a communist too, right?


Corbett, I answered you. Pretending you weren't answered and re-posting yourself is more or less the definition of troll.

 

[Jhhnn]

Funny how things change, yet stay the same.

40 years ago, Ayers was a weather underground insider. Today, he's a professor emeritus at a major university, but still takes social justice seriously, serving on the board of the Woods foundation. Apparently, he's changed a lot.

40 years ago, McCain was a prisoner in NVietnam, earning his well deserved war hero status and maverick status. Today, he's shilling for the rightwing of the repub party, selling out his values completely in an effort to fulfill a lifelong ambition, becoming president. Apparently, he's changed a lot, too...

Remarkable how the rightwing manages to drag the bitterness and divisiveness of the vietnam war out of its grave when it serves their purposes, even stooping so low as to smear a guy who was 8 years old at the time with the distant past of a distant associate...

All things considered, particularly the recent past under repub leadership, it shouldn't be surprising that they're throwing most anything out there, no matter how sleazy, tenuous or tangential it is to the real issues facing us today...

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: Vic
Corbett, I answered you. Pretending you weren't answered and re-posting yourself is more or less the definition of troll.

I'm waiting for a response from Eskimo, not you. Besides that, you responded to my post to YOU, not Eskimo. But thanks for trolling.

 

[ProfJohn]

You guys who keep bringing up the Keating Five keep forgetting that McCain was excused of any wrong doing in that scandal. They found NO evidence that McCain had done anything wrong.

About McCain the Senate ethic committee said "actions were not improper nor attended with gross negligence and did not reach the level of requiring institutional action against him....Senator McCain has violated no law of the United States or specific Rule of the United States Senate."

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Budmantom
Didn't Hezbollah, Hamas & Iran endorse Obama?

If Hitler's corpse were reanimated and in a throaty growl it heartily endorsed McCain, then people shouldn't vote for him?

You've got to be joking, Hitler would endorse Obama.

You can't make up stupid like this. Let me guess, you think Hitler was a communist too, right?


Corbett, I answered you. Pretending you weren't answered and re-posting yourself is more or less the definition of troll.

Was he a Democrat?

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
You guys who keep bringing up the Keating Five keep forgetting that McCain was excused of any wrong doing in that scandal. They found NO evidence that McCain had done anything wrong.

About McCain the Senate ethic committee said "actions were not improper nor attended with gross negligence and did not reach the level of requiring institutional action against him....Senator McCain has violated no law of the United States or specific Rule of the United States Senate."

Conclusion of Keating 5 Investigation

The Ethics Committee ruled that the involvement of McCain in the scheme was also minimal, and he too was cleared of all charges against him.[18][17] McCain was criticized by the Committee for exercising "poor judgment" when he met with the federal regulators on Keating's behalf.[6]

How interesting that you left that part out :rollseyes:

 

[ProfJohn]

Ok tab...

Let's compare and contrast.

McCain guilty of poor judgement for meeting with regulators on behalf of Keating.

Obaama guilty of poor judgement for meeting with a former terrorist.

Good luck with that one.