UberNeuman
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lupi
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That you're an idiot without a clue? Think we all have that. I heard that some brothel operator in Bangkok also put out a statement of support even though Mccain hasn't spent the last 20 years with him, hasn't met him, hasn't had fund raising events together, hasn't been over to each others house,, or any number of other non-connections, please link that one next time too so we'll all forget about the bedfellows of your messiah.
UberNeuman
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/again... missing the target.......
//the intelligent right wingers know the game I've been playing..
///the rest..... keep taking the bait........
no Uber - you are missing the point and the target
I'm an Obama fan btw, I'm not playing the guilt by association thing.
your links are people that back McCain - not people that he has personally been involved with.
Obama and Ayers were more than just people that worked in the same building, or just served on some board together. This bothers me.
I don't care about similar instances with McCain, that's not what I'm talking about here.
I'm an Obama fan btw, I'm not playing the guilt by association thing.
your links are people that back McCain - not people that he has personally been involved with.
Obama and Ayers were more than just people that worked in the same building, or just served on some board together. This bothers me.
I don't care about similar instances with McCain, that's not what I'm talking about here.
ProfJohn
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Obama stepped in it big time with his recent news release to fight that smear book.
Think of the campaign ad that is going to come out of this:
In 1969 Ayers helped set a bomb at a statue dedicated to police casualties.
Despite this Obama served with Ayers as board members of a local foundation.
In 1970 a bomb went off killing three members of Ayers group. Later Ayers said the bomb was "destined for the army base nearby"
Despite this Obama attended a fund raiser Ayers held for Obama at his house.
When asked about his past by the New York Times Ayers said "I don't regret setting bombs" and "I feel we didn't do enough"
Despite Obama campaign says "AYERS AND DOHRN ARE MEMBERS OF THE ESTABLISHMENT"
Then video of Ayers from a PBS interview "did we do something that was horrendous, awful? ... I don?t think so."
End with a picture of Obama and Ayers and some question about Obama and his judgement.
The Obama supporters might not care about Obama and Ayer but a lot of other Americans are going to be surprised to hear about this connection.
Think of the campaign ad that is going to come out of this:
In 1969 Ayers helped set a bomb at a statue dedicated to police casualties.
Despite this Obama served with Ayers as board members of a local foundation.
In 1970 a bomb went off killing three members of Ayers group. Later Ayers said the bomb was "destined for the army base nearby"
Despite this Obama attended a fund raiser Ayers held for Obama at his house.
When asked about his past by the New York Times Ayers said "I don't regret setting bombs" and "I feel we didn't do enough"
Despite Obama campaign says "AYERS AND DOHRN ARE MEMBERS OF THE ESTABLISHMENT"
Then video of Ayers from a PBS interview "did we do something that was horrendous, awful? ... I don?t think so."
End with a picture of Obama and Ayers and some question about Obama and his judgement.
The Obama supporters might not care about Obama and Ayer but a lot of other Americans are going to be surprised to hear about this connection.
I don't see any reason to argue this point, just look at FACTS. If the party was the Black Panthers or KKK does not matter. What Obama has not said or done speaks volumes. I don't see any reason in arguing, just state FACTS. McCain does not have association like this. I don't personally like McCain, but I REALLY don't like Obama.
Vic
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Executives of major corporations, like UBS and BP, also sit (or have sat) on the board of the Woods Fund with Ayers. It's a prominent non-profit in the Chicago area.
The FACTS are that this connection is extremely weak. And to say that McCain doesn't have an 'association' like this is just naive.
The FACTS are that this connection is extremely weak. And to say that McCain doesn't have an 'association' like this is just naive.
Am I the only person who tends to think this story is probably overblown political BS? The Republicans have clearly established the anti-Obama theme of the election, Obama is associated with "bad people" and therefore he is either a bad person himself or he has bad "judgement". It's pretty clear you guys are all reading from the same script, otherwise why would the word "judgement", an incredibly poor choice of words to describe the alleged problem with Obama, crop up in every single discussion of the topic? So Republicans talking about some guy that's allegedly Obama's guiding light is something I think it would be prudent to take with a large grain of salt.
I also find it telling that guilt by association is all the Republicans can come up with about Obama. Sure, associating with bad people can certainly reflect on the values a person holds...but generally that's evident in the individual in question. With Obama, the Republicans don't seem to have a lot to attack him personally for. If all these bad folks are influencing him the way the Republicans suggest, why is there no evidence of it?
I also find it telling that guilt by association is all the Republicans can come up with about Obama. Sure, associating with bad people can certainly reflect on the values a person holds...but generally that's evident in the individual in question. With Obama, the Republicans don't seem to have a lot to attack him personally for. If all these bad folks are influencing him the way the Republicans suggest, why is there no evidence of it?
Repeating the party line, virtually word for word, doesn't make you any more credible. While I think it's a dumb strategy, the fact is that virtually all McCain supporters have gotten on board with it...and I for one find it incredibly cynical and dishonest, even for Republicans. In the first place, whatever happened to the idea of having a candidate you can be proud of? And secondly, like Republicans would really vote for anyone other than McCain, no matter how much they profess to not like him.
not really getting into the ridiculousness that is the Obama-Ayers relationship, but Obama himself was the one who put the J-word out there by saying that even though he has no significant experience, we should trust his judgment because he was kinda sorta against the Iraq war before he was for it before he was against it again.
Since you are apparently too dense to notice, the point was to show that fringe/retarded groups endorsing/associating themselves with a candidate doesn't actually mean that the candidate himself is bad.
Don't forget North Korea, Communist Party USA, Danial Ortega ("they are laying the foundations for a revolutionary change"), Farrakhan ("I love that young man"), Soros ("I prefer Obamna because he would bring more radical change"), Sharpton ("Im gonna do whatever I gotta do to help") ACORN (who was busted for voter fraud and BO worked for) and other malefactors. Obama's mentor in Hawaii (Frank Marshall Davis) was a communiust and had the same hatred of US as BO and Wright and Ayers and Bernardine Dorn. Only a real BO kool-aid drinker can keep pretending the well established pattern of anti US radicalism displayed by Obama is superficial. BO is creepy just like his buddies
Vic
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You seriously don't want to see the list of 'creeps' backing McCain, do you? Yaknow, KKK, Stormfront, Tom Metzger, John Hagee, Bill Lind, etc etc?
The problem with you, BB, is that you've drank the fascist flavor of the anti-American kool-aid all the way down and then asked for more. Anyone who reads your posts can't help but laugh at the irony of you calling anyone else 'creepy.'
Wright, Ayers, Rezco are not "fringe/retarded groups". They are people Obama ASSOCIATED HIMSELF WITH (some closer than others) in one way or another and threw them under the buss when it was most politically advantageous.
You seriously don't believe McCain had the close relationship that Obama had with his shady associates, do you?
Both candidates have people supporting them that they'd probably rather not, but only one has a lifelong close association with one as his 'mentor' and personal relationships with terrorists / bombers.
As far as I can tell the stain on McCain is really the Keating Five stuff. Ironically, that's not brought up much, even though it's the most legitimate gripe about McCain.
He doesn't have a long enough track record to go by, so you can only go by his associations etc.
As far as I can tell the stain on McCain is really the Keating Five stuff. Ironically, that's not brought up much, even though it's the most legitimate gripe about McCain.
He doesn't have a long enough track record to go by, so you can only go by his associations etc.
And please explain the fact that McCain faced indictment with the other members of the Keating Five.
Actually, McCain is not -- and never has been -- very close to Bush or Chaney. In fact, they don't appear to like each other much. They might share some ideology, but they certainly are not close buddies.
Now now Pro-Jo, looks like you've been reading too many right wing blogs again. Why don't we see what Factcheck.org has to say about it?
Ahhhh! Scandal!
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