Ayers relationship w/Obama

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
Both candidates have people supporting them that they'd probably rather not, but only one has a lifelong close association with one as his 'mentor' and personal relationships with terrorists / bombers.

As far as I can tell the stain on McCain is really the Keating Five stuff. Ironically, that's not brought up much, even though it's the most legitimate gripe about McCain.

Originally posted by: Rainsford
With Obama, the Republicans don't seem to have a lot to attack him personally for. If all these bad folks are influencing him the way the Republicans suggest, why is there no evidence of it?

He doesn't have a long enough track record to go by, so you can only go by his associations etc.

While that's an awfully convenient excuse, I can't help but think that you're being intentionally obtuse because it makes your political point easier to make.

Obama might not have been in the Senate for 134 years like McCain, but he didn't just ride into town on a turnip truck when the primary season started. He has a fair amount of local political history, and has at this point made a fair number of public speeches and done a fair amount of public writing. Going back to his college days he did a decent amount of legal writing as well.

While it's not a lifetime of work or anything, it sure as hell seems like if he was a radical whatever you guys are trying to suggest he is that it would have shown up SOMEWHERE, even a little bit, in something he has ever said or written. The fact that you can find NOTHING to hang on him but some folks he knows says to me that you're probably pretty full of shit.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Vic
Corbett, I answered you. Pretending you weren't answered and re-posting yourself is more or less the definition of troll.

I'm waiting for a response from Eskimo, not you. Besides that, you responded to my post to YOU, not Eskimo. But thanks for trolling.

:roll:

Originally posted by: Budmantom
Was he a Democrat?

No, Hitler was a Republican.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Ok tab...

Let's compare and contrast.

McCain guilty of poor judgement for meeting with regulators on behalf of Keating in return for large campaign contributions. The outcome of this meeting later led to the S&L crisis, taxpayers getting hosed for billions, and Keating going to prison.

Obaama guilty of poor judgement for meeting with a former terrorist who also happens to be a tenured professor at a state university and sits on the board of prominent non-profit along with other local and corporate leaders.

Good luck with that one.

Fixed.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Vic
Corbett, I answered you. Pretending you weren't answered and re-posting yourself is more or less the definition of troll.

I'm waiting for a response from Eskimo, not you. Besides that, you responded to my post to YOU, not Eskimo. But thanks for trolling.

:roll:

Originally posted by: Budmantom
Was he a Democrat?

No, Hitler was a Republican.

That's right because if he was a Democrat he would have only attacked his country

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: UberNeuman
See how much fun this is..........

Didn't Hezbollah, Hamas & Iran endorse Obama?

Since you are apparently too dense to notice, the point was to show that fringe/retarded groups endorsing/associating themselves with a candidate doesn't actually mean that the candidate himself is bad.

Wright, Ayers, Rezco are not "fringe/retarded groups". They are people Obama ASSOCIATED HIMSELF WITH (some closer than others) in one way or another and threw them under the buss when it was most politically advantageous.

.......

Vic answered just fine?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Budmantom
Was he a Democrat?

No, Hitler was a Republican.

That's right because if he was a Democrat he would have only attacked his country

Yeah, but at least he would have won

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
You guys who keep bringing up the Keating Five keep forgetting that McCain was excused of any wrong doing in that scandal. They found NO evidence that McCain had done anything wrong.

About McCain the Senate ethic committee said "actions were not improper nor attended with gross negligence and did not reach the level of requiring institutional action against him....Senator McCain has violated no law of the United States or specific Rule of the United States Senate."

And BHO never said anything aboud 'Gdamn America' or that he 'hates whitey.'

And BHO never did anything that this Ayers person (who quite frankly no one in the real world outside of Rush's radio show cares about) did or does or whatever it is his foundation is responsible for.

But apparently that won't stop people from dragging BHOs name through the mud with them...so McCain will get the same treatment. Only problem for McCain is, my fathers generation remembers the Keating 5...and you can be damn sure my generation remembers GWB and CHeney....some of McCains NEW associations.

thats politics.

 

[PELarson]

Originally posted by: NeoV
I'm a bit confused what to think about this Ayers guy - an admitted terrorist, involved in bombing a NY police station and the Pentagon, among other buildings - cleared of charges in 1980, now a teacher of some sort at U of I in Chicago....served on a board w/Obama, held a fundraiser for him...a few other connections..

The Wright story I can live with - he wanted to emphasize his non-Muslim religous practice, etc...

This guy is a different story - and by the way - shame on a US University hiring this guy to work with college students.

I would worry more about McCain's relationship with a convicted domestic terrorist. One G. Gordon Liddy!

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Budmantom
Didn't Hezbollah, Hamas & Iran endorse Obama?

If Hitler's corpse were reanimated and in a throaty growl it heartily endorsed McCain, then people shouldn't vote for him?

You've got to be joking, Hitler would endorse Obama.

No just like you he'd never support a Black Man.

 

[ccbadd]

Repeating the party line, virtually word for word, doesn't make you any more credible.

Are you kidding?? There are only two people running, McCain and Obama. By your logic, I should just not vote if I am not proud of one of them! There are others running, but they have no chance of winning.

The reality is Obama scares my wallet. I am tired of working 60+ hours a week only to have some idiot in Washington tell me I have more then my share and I need to give them some more. I supported things like opting out of SS and having individual savings accounts but there are far to many people who would rather stay at home at there 40 hours or less and just asked for part of my pay check. I want a president that can just "Leave Me Alone". Unfortunately there is not one running and I have to choose the lesser of two evils.

If this is dishonest in your mind I would be willing to bet you fit in the category of those sitting on the couch wanted me to work more for there retirement.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Budmantom
Didn't Hezbollah, Hamas & Iran endorse Obama?

If Hitler's corpse were reanimated and in a throaty growl it heartily endorsed McCain, then people shouldn't vote for him?

You've got to be joking, Hitler would endorse Obama.

No just like you he'd never support a Black Man.

That's correct, everybody that doesn't vote for Obama must be a racist, thanks for proving my point

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: ccbadd

Repeating the party line, virtually word for word, doesn't make you any more credible.

Are you kidding?? There are only two people running, McCain and Obama. By your logic, I should just not vote if I am not proud of one of them! There are others running, but they have no chance of winning.

The reality is Obama scares my wallet. I am tired of working 60+ hours a week only to have some idiot in Washington tell me I have more then my share and I need to give them some more. I supported things like opting out of SS and having individual savings accounts but there are far to many people who would rather stay at home at there 40 hours or less and just asked for part of my pay check. I want a president that can just "Leave Me Alone". Unfortunately there is not one running and I have to choose the lesser of two evils.

If this is dishonest in your mind I would be willing to bet you fit in the category of those sitting on the couch wanted me to work more for there retirement.

I work hard and pay more than my "fair share" of taxes, and I'm happy to because that's the only way the system is going to work. I'm tired of generic Republican complaints about not wanting to pay taxes, like THAT'S a complete policy. You don't like paying high taxes? Well me neither, but until we can come up with solutions that make it so we don't NEED to pay high taxes, I'm going to go with the idea that complaining about taxes is about as productive as complaining that you have to pay your mortgage. I too want a President that will "leave me alone", but only in the context of an actual plan, not as a result of some childish complaints that I don't like paying taxes.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Budmantom
Didn't Hezbollah, Hamas & Iran endorse Obama?

If Hitler's corpse were reanimated and in a throaty growl it heartily endorsed McCain, then people shouldn't vote for him?

You've got to be joking, Hitler would endorse Obama.

No just like you he'd never support a Black Man.

That's correct, thanks for proving my point

The point that you continue to make an ass out of yourself on these forums

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: ccbadd

Repeating the party line, virtually word for word, doesn't make you any more credible.

Are you kidding?? There are only two people running, McCain and Obama. By your logic, I should just not vote if I am not proud of one of them! There are others running, but they have no chance of winning.

The reality is Obama scares my wallet. I am tired of working 60+ hours a week only to have some idiot in Washington tell me I have more then my share and I need to give them some more. I supported things like opting out of SS and having individual savings accounts but there are far to many people who would rather stay at home at there 40 hours or less and just asked for part of my pay check. I want a president that can just "Leave Me Alone". Unfortunately there is not one running and I have to choose the lesser of two evils.

If this is dishonest in your mind I would be willing to bet you fit in the category of those sitting on the couch wanted me to work more for there retirement.

You're struggling to get by making more than $250k/year?

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[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: ccbadd

Repeating the party line, virtually word for word, doesn't make you any more credible.

Are you kidding?? There are only two people running, McCain and Obama. By your logic, I should just not vote if I am not proud of one of them! There are others running, but they have no chance of winning.

The reality is Obama scares my wallet. I am tired of working 60+ hours a week only to have some idiot in Washington tell me I have more then my share and I need to give them some more. I supported things like opting out of SS and having individual savings accounts but there are far to many people who would rather stay at home at there 40 hours or less and just asked for part of my pay check. I want a president that can just "Leave Me Alone". Unfortunately there is not one running and I have to choose the lesser of two evils.

If this is dishonest in your mind I would be willing to bet you fit in the category of those sitting on the couch wanted me to work more for there retirement.

You're struggling to get by making more than $250k/year?

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Heh, like ccbadd knows any of those numbers. It's the most generic Republican complaint possible...a Democrat is going to raise taxes on EVERYONE. It doesn't matter if it's true or not, since it mostly isn't, it's the Republican ghost story that Republican voters never seem to really understand is a lie. If the Republicans really were honest about who they support lowering taxes on, they wouldn't win a single election.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Just because Barack Hussein Obama surrounds himself with people that hate the US doesn't mean that he agrees with them.

What is it about Obama's middle name that makes so many idiots think that endlessly repeating it will somehow make their most pathetic implied lie that he's a Muslim come true?

And, for the sake of argument, if he were a Muslim, if you've never met nice, intelligent Muslims, try dragging your knuckles out of your cave and getting a broader view of the world. :roll:

The most pathetic aspect of recent Presidential campaigns has been why people get so hung up on religion, at all.

If you believed in God you might understand.

Which version of which story of whose god or gods would that be?

The ooga booga mystery oil of religious dogma should be irrelevant to the choice for President of the United States of America, but that doesn't stop it from happening.

Even worse are those who repeatedly pimp insinuated lies about a Obama's actual beliefs by repeatedly including his Arabic middle name in their posts. That violates the tenets of most, if not all major religions. :thumbsdown:

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Budmantom

If you believed in God you might understand.

Which version of which story of whose god or gods would that be?

The ooga booga mystery oil of religious dogma should be irrelevant to the choice for President of the United States of America, but that doesn't stop it from happening.

Even worse are those who repeatedly pimping insinuated lies about a Obama's actual beliefs by repeatedly including his Arabic middle name in their posts. That violates the tenets of most, if not all major religions. :thumbsdown:

Thanks for proving my point.

Shhh, the old boy is already confused enough!:shocked::laugh:

 

[PELarson]

I am still waiting for an explanation about Obama's support and teaching of these traitorous rebels.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
-snip-
Obama might not have been in the Senate for 134 years like McCain, but he didn't just ride into town on a turnip truck when the primary season started. He has a fair amount of local political history, and has at this point made a fair number of public speeches and done a fair amount of public writing. Going back to his college days he did a decent amount of legal writing as well.

While it's not a lifetime of work or anything, it sure as hell seems like if he was a radical whatever you guys are trying to suggest he is that it would have shown up SOMEWHERE, even a little bit, in something he has ever said or written. The fact that you can find NOTHING to hang on him but some folks he knows says to me that you're probably pretty full of shit.

You raise an interesting point, and I must disagree somewhat.

I'm not claiming that Obama is any kind of radical, but we don't know any details about Obama before he came in to the state Senate, and as a savy politician no one could expect him to make any radical remarks once there.

I'd like to hear his speeches as a neighborhood social worker - but I haven't.

I'd like to see his writings while he was in college - but I haven't (I note Hillary kept her's from scrutiny as well).

You seem to express a familiarity with these things, where did you find them?

Fern

 

[tfcmasta97]

AHAHHAHAhA oh man how do you guys make it to 10 years old without accidentally killing yourselves while eating with a fork

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
You guys who keep bringing up the Keating Five keep forgetting that McCain was excused of any wrong doing in that scandal. They found NO evidence that McCain had done anything wrong.

About McCain the Senate ethic committee said "actions were not improper nor attended with gross negligence and did not reach the level of requiring institutional action against him....Senator McCain has violated no law of the United States or specific Rule of the United States Senate."

And BHO never said anything aboud 'Gdamn America' or that he 'hates whitey.'

And BHO never did anything that this Ayers person (who quite frankly no one in the real world outside of Rush's radio show cares about) did or does or whatever it is his foundation is responsible for.

But apparently that won't stop people from dragging BHOs name through the mud with them...so McCain will get the same treatment. Only problem for McCain is, my fathers generation remembers the Keating 5...and you can be damn sure my generation remembers GWB and CHeney....some of McCains NEW associations.

thats politics.

Obama did call Wright his 'moral compass' and spiritual advisor.

Sorry, but there is no way Obama talks his way out of the Wright connection.

 

[ccbadd]

Heh, like ccbadd knows any of those numbers.

Those numbers are total BS. My tax bill is going to go up >$1200.00 next year when the Bush tax cuts expire and that is Obama's and McCain's starting point not what we are paying today. What the dems want right now is to reverse taxes already paid ala "Stimulus Checks". But those checks don't apply to me, just like financial aid grants for my kids college, SBA guaranteed loans, etc... I don't need to know numbers from fairy tails!!

I work hard and pay more than my "fair share" of taxes, and I'm happy to because that's the only way the system is going to work.

Why is it that you think you want to pay more taxes but you want to volunteer MY paycheck also. If you think the government is truly efficient and needs more taxes you are completely lost. How much would we save by getting rid of the IRS and there employees (yes, lay them off) and move to a truly consumption based tax system that lets larger consumers pay the largest share. Then get rid of all those bureaucratic money pits that are duplicated at the state and local level. A little thing called "The US Constitution" specifically gave all those powers to the states and the federal government has been usurping them for far to long.

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: UberNeuman
See how much fun this is..........

Didn't Hezbollah, Hamas & Iran endorse Obama?

Since you are apparently too dense to notice, the point was to show that fringe/retarded groups endorsing/associating themselves with a candidate doesn't actually mean that the candidate himself is bad.

Wright, Ayers, Rezco are not "fringe/retarded groups". They are people Obama ASSOCIATED HIMSELF WITH (some closer than others) in one way or another and threw them under the buss when it was most politically advantageous.

.......

Vic answered just fine?

No he didnt. Vic said that the Ayers relationship was not a close one. Thats just flat out wrong. Of course, "close" is relative, but holding a fundraiser for an unrepentant terrorist like Ayers is not something someone does for just anyone.

Nor does Vic address the issues of Obama's racist pastor whom he considered a mentor for over twenty years, but conveniently threw him under the buss when it was most politically advantageous. Not to mention others like Rezco.

The point is, as it was all along, that Obama has a terrible pattern of bad judgement and making bad decisions throughout his life, and continues to do so.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: ccbadd

Heh, like ccbadd knows any of those numbers.

Those numbers are total BS. My tax bill is going to go up >$1200.00 next year when the Bush tax cuts expire and that is Obama's and McCain's starting point not what we are paying today. What the dems want right now is to reverse taxes already paid ala "Stimulus Checks". But those checks don't apply to me, just like financial aid grants for my kids college, SBA guaranteed loans, etc... I don't need to know numbers from fairy tails!!

I work hard and pay more than my "fair share" of taxes, and I'm happy to because that's the only way the system is going to work.

Why is it that you think you want to pay more taxes but you want to volunteer MY paycheck also. If you think the government is truly efficient and needs more taxes you are completely lost. How much would we save by getting rid of the IRS and there employees (yes, lay them off) and move to a truly consumption based tax system that lets larger consumers pay the largest share. Then get rid of all those bureaucratic money pits that are duplicated at the state and local level. A little thing called "The US Constitution" specifically gave all those powers to the states and the federal government has been usurping them for far to long.

Wha... this is total bullshit, and those numbers were from the completely independent and non-partisan Tax Policy Center.
So unless you have FACTS that you can refute them with, STFU.

Plus, the only way your taxes are going up is if your income exceed $250k/yr. or if your capital gains are substantial. Either way, that would mean you're lying about being a member of the working class which, given your empty rhetoric, would not surprise me.

BTW, I would love to debate the Constitution with you. Keep in mind, it's not that I oppose your professed libertarian viewpoint, it's just that you're full of shit.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Corbett
No he didnt. Vic said that the Ayers relationship was not a close one. Thats just flat out wrong. Of course, "close" is relative, but holding a fundraiser for an unrepentant terrorist like Ayers is not something someone does for just anyone.

Wrong, there was no fundraiser. Even if so, I demonstrated that major business and corporate leaders also associate with this 'unrepentant terrorist.' Or are you also calling UBS and BP 'terrorists?'

Nor does Vic address the issues of Obama's racist pastor whom he considered a mentor for over twenty years, but conveniently threw him under the buss when it was most politically advantageous. Not to mention others like Rezco.

Wrong. You got nothing here, and you know it.

The point is, as it was all along, that Obama has a terrible pattern of bad judgement and making bad decisions throughout his life, and continues to do so.

And wrong. Especially as McCain owes his entire political career to a convicted felon and known scumbag, Charles Keating.