Ayers relationship w/Obama

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Corbett

The point is, as it was all along, that Obama has a terrible pattern of bad judgement and making bad decisions throughout his life, and continues to do so.

And wrong. Especially as McCain owes his entire political career to a convicted felon and known scumbag, Charles Keating.

Uhh, how did you reach this conclusion exactly?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Corbett
The point is, as it was all along, that Obama has a terrible pattern of bad judgement and making bad decisions throughout his life, and continues to do so.

And wrong. Especially as McCain owes his entire political career to a convicted felon and known scumbag, Charles Keating.

Uhh, how did you reach this conclusion exactly?

Keating funded McCain's political campaign into the Senate in 1986.

Look, they're playing the whole Ayers, etc. bit because they know that their guy is a scumbag of epic proportions. Literally the biggest stooge for hire in the Senate for the past 20 years.

 

[TechAZ]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Corbett
The point is, as it was all along, that Obama has a terrible pattern of bad judgement and making bad decisions throughout his life, and continues to do so.

And wrong. Especially as McCain owes his entire political career to a convicted felon and known scumbag, Charles Keating.

Uhh, how did you reach this conclusion exactly?

Keating funded McCain's political campaign into the Senate in 1986.

Look, they're playing the whole Ayers, etc. bit because they know that their guy is a scumbag of epic proportions. Literally the biggest stooge for hire in the Senate for the past 20 years.

In which McCain was found clean of any wrongdoing.

Meanwhile, DeConcini was appointed by Clinton in 1995 to the Board of Directors of the FHLMC after being found of interfering with the investigation (1 of the investigated senators of Keating 5).

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Corbett
No he didnt. Vic said that the Ayers relationship was not a close one. Thats just flat out wrong. Of course, "close" is relative, but holding a fundraiser for an unrepentant terrorist like Ayers is not something someone does for just anyone.

Wrong, there was no fundraiser. Even if so, I demonstrated that major business and corporate leaders also associate with this 'unrepentant terrorist.' Or are you also calling UBS and BP 'terrorists?'

Nor does Vic address the issues of Obama's racist pastor whom he considered a mentor for over twenty years, but conveniently threw him under the buss when it was most politically advantageous. Not to mention others like Rezco.

Wrong. You got nothing here, and you know it.

The point is, as it was all along, that Obama has a terrible pattern of bad judgement and making bad decisions throughout his life, and continues to do so.

And wrong. Especially as McCain owes his entire political career to a convicted felon and known scumbag, Charles Keating.

Why do you bother? It's not like anything you say will change Corbett's mind. He didn't happen upon this 'information' and then formulate his opinion, he used some stupidass chain email to reinforce what he already believed, no matter how dumb it was.

He doesn't know what the real relationships of these people are, and more importantly he doesn't care. As long as it tells him what he wants to believe, it's good.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: TechAZ

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Corbett
The point is, as it was all along, that Obama has a terrible pattern of bad judgement and making bad decisions throughout his life, and continues to do so.

And wrong. Especially as McCain owes his entire political career to a convicted felon and known scumbag, Charles Keating.

Uhh, how did you reach this conclusion exactly?

Keating funded McCain's political campaign into the Senate in 1986.

Look, they're playing the whole Ayers, etc. bit because they know that their guy is a scumbag of epic proportions. Literally the biggest stooge for hire in the Senate for the past 20 years.

In which McCain was found clean of any wrongdoing.

Meanwhile, DeConcini was appointed by Clinton in 1995 to the Board of Directors of the FHLMC after being found of interfering with the investigation (1 of the investigated senators of Keating 5).

I'm sorry, are you saying that Obama committed any wrongdoing with his relatively distant association with Ayers?

 

[TechAZ]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: TechAZ

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Corbett
The point is, as it was all along, that Obama has a terrible pattern of bad judgement and making bad decisions throughout his life, and continues to do so.

And wrong. Especially as McCain owes his entire political career to a convicted felon and known scumbag, Charles Keating.

Uhh, how did you reach this conclusion exactly?

Keating funded McCain's political campaign into the Senate in 1986.

Look, they're playing the whole Ayers, etc. bit because they know that their guy is a scumbag of epic proportions. Literally the biggest stooge for hire in the Senate for the past 20 years.

In which McCain was found clean of any wrongdoing.

Meanwhile, DeConcini was appointed by Clinton in 1995 to the Board of Directors of the FHLMC after being found of interfering with the investigation (1 of the investigated senators of Keating 5).

I'm sorry, are you saying that Obama committed any wrongdoing with his relatively distant association with Ayers?

No, it doesn't look good....but I do wish he would at least address these claims by the right on this. I was just adding to your comment about McCain being a scumbag.

Do you wanna take a guess at how many of the 5 in the Keating 5 were Dems? Or do you want to just not bring that subject up again?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: TechAZ

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: TechAZ

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Corbett
The point is, as it was all along, that Obama has a terrible pattern of bad judgement and making bad decisions throughout his life, and continues to do so.

And wrong. Especially as McCain owes his entire political career to a convicted felon and known scumbag, Charles Keating.

Uhh, how did you reach this conclusion exactly?

Keating funded McCain's political campaign into the Senate in 1986.

Look, they're playing the whole Ayers, etc. bit because they know that their guy is a scumbag of epic proportions. Literally the biggest stooge for hire in the Senate for the past 20 years.

In which McCain was found clean of any wrongdoing.

Meanwhile, DeConcini was appointed by Clinton in 1995 to the Board of Directors of the FHLMC after being found of interfering with the investigation (1 of the investigated senators of Keating 5).

I'm sorry, are you saying that Obama committed any wrongdoing with his relatively distant association with Ayers?

No, it doesn't look good....but I do wish he would at least address these claims by the right on this. I was just adding to your comment about McCain being a scumbag.

Do you wanna take a guess at how many of the 5 in the Keating 5 were Dems? Or do you want to just not bring that subject up again?

No, partisanship doesn't interest me. I don't support Obama because he's a Democrat, I oppose McCain because he's a scumbag.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Corbett
The point is, as it was all along, that Obama has a terrible pattern of bad judgement and making bad decisions throughout his life, and continues to do so.

And wrong. Especially as McCain owes his entire political career to a convicted felon and known scumbag, Charles Keating.

Uhh, how did you reach this conclusion exactly?

Keating funded McCain's political campaign into the Senate in 1986.

Look, they're playing the whole Ayers, etc. bit because they know that their guy is a scumbag of epic proportions. Literally the biggest stooge for hire in the Senate for the past 20 years.

Do have any links on the subject? Or any books I could read?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Corbett
The point is, as it was all along, that Obama has a terrible pattern of bad judgement and making bad decisions throughout his life, and continues to do so.

And wrong. Especially as McCain owes his entire political career to a convicted felon and known scumbag, Charles Keating.

Uhh, how did you reach this conclusion exactly?

Keating funded McCain's political campaign into the Senate in 1986.

Look, they're playing the whole Ayers, etc. bit because they know that their guy is a scumbag of epic proportions. Literally the biggest stooge for hire in the Senate for the past 20 years.

Do have any links on the subject? Or any books I could read?

Uh... you could start at Wiki... Text

What more do you want? McCain's scumbaggery in this regard is (or should be) common knowledge.

 

[Double Trouble]

Originally posted by: Corbett

No he didnt. Vic said that the Ayers relationship was not a close one. Thats just flat out wrong. Of course, "close" is relative, but holding a fundraiser for an unrepentant terrorist like Ayers is not something someone does for just anyone.

Nor does Vic address the issues of Obama's racist pastor whom he considered a mentor for over twenty years, but conveniently threw him under the buss when it was most politically advantageous. Not to mention others like Rezco.

The point is, as it was all along, that Obama has a terrible pattern of bad judgement and making bad decisions throughout his life, and continues to do so.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner :thumbsup:

The media and pundits can spin all they want, there is no possible way in my mind that anyone spends 20 years in Wright's racist church, becomes close enough friends with wright to consider him his moral compass and mentor and baptize his children, and yet conveniently never heard any of his crazy and racist theories. I'd rather not see that kind of a liar in the White House, I'll take the regular crooked politician over the slick polished one.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Obama did call Wright his 'moral compass' and spiritual advisor.

Sorry, but there is no way Obama talks his way out of the Wright connection.

John McCain on Feb. 28, 2000:

Neither party should be defined by pandering to the outer reaches of American politics and the agents of intolerance, whether they be Louis Farrakhan or Al Sharpton on the left, or Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell on the right.

I would think that you could add John Hagee to that list as well.

John McCain in 2007/2008 on Hagee (after he had already pandered to Falwell to get his endorsement):

According to U.S. News & World Report, ?The McCain campaign?s Heckman said that, far from exhibiting hostility to religious conservatives, McCain speaks regularly with such prominent evangelical figures as former presidential candidate Gary Bauer, Southern Baptist Convention public policy chief Richard Land, and televangelist John Hagee.? [U.S. News & World Report, 5/31/07]

........

During a town hall meeting in Houston, Texas, McCain promoted his conservative credentials by saying, ?I was please to have the endorsement of Pastor John Hagee yesterday. A lot of people are coming in our direction. [Town Hall Meeting in Houston, Texas, 2/28/08]

................

On February 27, 2008 McCain traveled to Texas to receive the endorsement of San Antonio televangelist John Hagee. The Dallas Morning News reported, ?Mr. Hagee, a leading figure in the Christian Zionist movement, said he?s confident Mr. McCain can attract wary evangelicals by emphasizing his conservative positions on Israel and abortion.? McCain said, ?All I can tell you is I?m very proud to have pastor Hagee?s support.? [Dallas Morning News, 2/28/08]

..........

Two days after receiving the endorsement of Pastor John Hagee, McCain?s campaign released a statement attempting to distance himself from Hagee?s remarks. McCain said, ?Yesterday, Pastor John Hagee endorsed my candidacy for president in San Antonio, Texas. However, in no way did I intend for his endorsement to suggest that I in turn agree with all of Pastor Hagee?s views, which I obviously do not.? [McCain Campaign Press Release, 2/29/08]

...........

McCain: ?Pastor John Hagee Supports What I Stand For.? During a speech in Round Rock, Texas, McCain said, ?Well, I think it?s important to note that John, Reverend, Pastor John Hagee who has supported and endorsed my candidacy, supports what I stand for and believe in.? [McCain speech in Round Rock, Texas, 2/29/08]

Take note of the last two quotes. They were made the same day! He goes out and tries to distance himself from Hagee by saying that he doesn't agree with what Hagee stands for and then while stumping states the exact opposite.

Someone forgot to the the old man that this new fangled recording devices would be near.

 

[TechAZ]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Obama did call Wright his 'moral compass' and spiritual advisor.

Sorry, but there is no way Obama talks his way out of the Wright connection.

John McCain on Feb. 28, 2000:

Neither party should be defined by pandering to the outer reaches of American politics and the agents of intolerance, whether they be Louis Farrakhan or Al Sharpton on the left, or Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell on the right.

I would think that you could add John Hagee to that list as well.

John McCain in 2007/2008 on Hagee (after he had already pandered to Falwell to get his endorsement):

According to U.S. News & World Report, ?The McCain campaign?s Heckman said that, far from exhibiting hostility to religious conservatives, McCain speaks regularly with such prominent evangelical figures as former presidential candidate Gary Bauer, Southern Baptist Convention public policy chief Richard Land, and televangelist John Hagee.? [U.S. News & World Report, 5/31/07]

........

During a town hall meeting in Houston, Texas, McCain promoted his conservative credentials by saying, ?I was please to have the endorsement of Pastor John Hagee yesterday. A lot of people are coming in our direction. [Town Hall Meeting in Houston, Texas, 2/28/08]

................

On February 27, 2008 McCain traveled to Texas to receive the endorsement of San Antonio televangelist John Hagee. The Dallas Morning News reported, ?Mr. Hagee, a leading figure in the Christian Zionist movement, said he?s confident Mr. McCain can attract wary evangelicals by emphasizing his conservative positions on Israel and abortion.? McCain said, ?All I can tell you is I?m very proud to have pastor Hagee?s support.? [Dallas Morning News, 2/28/08]

..........

Two days after receiving the endorsement of Pastor John Hagee, McCain?s campaign released a statement attempting to distance himself from Hagee?s remarks. McCain said, ?Yesterday, Pastor John Hagee endorsed my candidacy for president in San Antonio, Texas. However, in no way did I intend for his endorsement to suggest that I in turn agree with all of Pastor Hagee?s views, which I obviously do not.? [McCain Campaign Press Release, 2/29/08]

...........

McCain: ?Pastor John Hagee Supports What I Stand For.? During a speech in Round Rock, Texas, McCain said, ?Well, I think it?s important to note that John, Reverend, Pastor John Hagee who has supported and endorsed my candidacy, supports what I stand for and believe in.? [McCain speech in Round Rock, Texas, 2/29/08]

Take note of the last two quotes. They were made the same day! He goes out and tries to distance himself from Hagee by saying that he doesn't agree with what Hagee stands for and then while stumping states the exact opposite.

Someone forgot to the the old man that this new fangled recording devices would be near.

That pastor standing for what McCain believes in is not the same as McCain standing for what that pastor believes in.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: TechAZ

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Obama did call Wright his 'moral compass' and spiritual advisor.

Sorry, but there is no way Obama talks his way out of the Wright connection.

John McCain on Feb. 28, 2000:

Neither party should be defined by pandering to the outer reaches of American politics and the agents of intolerance, whether they be Louis Farrakhan or Al Sharpton on the left, or Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell on the right.

I would think that you could add John Hagee to that list as well.

John McCain in 2007/2008 on Hagee (after he had already pandered to Falwell to get his endorsement):

According to U.S. News & World Report, ?The McCain campaign?s Heckman said that, far from exhibiting hostility to religious conservatives, McCain speaks regularly with such prominent evangelical figures as former presidential candidate Gary Bauer, Southern Baptist Convention public policy chief Richard Land, and televangelist John Hagee.? [U.S. News & World Report, 5/31/07]

........

During a town hall meeting in Houston, Texas, McCain promoted his conservative credentials by saying, ?I was please to have the endorsement of Pastor John Hagee yesterday. A lot of people are coming in our direction. [Town Hall Meeting in Houston, Texas, 2/28/08]

................

On February 27, 2008 McCain traveled to Texas to receive the endorsement of San Antonio televangelist John Hagee. The Dallas Morning News reported, ?Mr. Hagee, a leading figure in the Christian Zionist movement, said he?s confident Mr. McCain can attract wary evangelicals by emphasizing his conservative positions on Israel and abortion.? McCain said, ?All I can tell you is I?m very proud to have pastor Hagee?s support.? [Dallas Morning News, 2/28/08]

..........

Two days after receiving the endorsement of Pastor John Hagee, McCain?s campaign released a statement attempting to distance himself from Hagee?s remarks. McCain said, ?Yesterday, Pastor John Hagee endorsed my candidacy for president in San Antonio, Texas. However, in no way did I intend for his endorsement to suggest that I in turn agree with all of Pastor Hagee?s views, which I obviously do not.? [McCain Campaign Press Release, 2/29/08]

...........

McCain: ?Pastor John Hagee Supports What I Stand For.? During a speech in Round Rock, Texas, McCain said, ?Well, I think it?s important to note that John, Reverend, Pastor John Hagee who has supported and endorsed my candidacy, supports what I stand for and believe in.? [McCain speech in Round Rock, Texas, 2/29/08]

Take note of the last two quotes. They were made the same day! He goes out and tries to distance himself from Hagee by saying that he doesn't agree with what Hagee stands for and then while stumping states the exact opposite.

Someone forgot to the the old man that this new fangled recording devices would be near.

Yes, and Obama has said the same about his own - repeatedly. Why does McCain get a free walk eh?

That pastor standing for what McCain believes in is not the same as McCain standing for what that pastor believes in.

 

[TechAZ]

Originally posted by: Tab

Yes, and Obama has said the same about his own - repeatedly. Why does McCain get a free walk eh?

McCain didn't call him his spiritual leader and didn't sit in the pews for 15+ years. Unless Obama really didn't go to church all that often and was just hyping his religiousness up to garner religious votes....then he knew full well what a piece of work Wright was. Obama lied time and time again saying that he didn't know the rhetoric that Wright preached at his sermons, throwing his ass under the Obama bus once he got sick of defending him. Although I personally think Obama knew full well and actually held similar views.

That is a very clear distinction in the contrast of Obama/Wright to McCain/Hagee. You have to admit, knowing a guy personally and spiritually for 15+ years is much different than getting support from some guy that you know by name.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Budmantom
Didn't Hezbollah, Hamas & Iran endorse Obama?

If Hitler's corpse were reanimated and in a throaty growl it heartily endorsed McCain, then people shouldn't vote for him?

You've got to be joking, Hitler would endorse Obama.

No just like you he'd never support a Black Man.

That's correct, thanks for proving my point 🙂

The point that you continue to make an ass out of yourself on these forums

That's right everybody that doesn't vote for Obama must be a racist, It didn't take you long to figure that out.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: TechAZ

Originally posted by: Tab

Yes, and Obama has said the same about his own - repeatedly. Why does McCain get a free walk eh?

McCain didn't call him his spiritual leader and didn't sit in the pews for 15+ years. Unless Obama really didn't go to church all that often and was just hyping his religiousness up to garner religious votes....then he knew full well what a piece of work Wright was. Obama lied time and time again saying that he didn't know the rhetoric that Wright preached at his sermons, throwing his ass under the Obama bus once he got sick of defending him. Although I personally think Obama knew full well and actually held similar views.

That is a very clear distinction in the contrast of Obama/Wright to McCain/Hagee. You have to admit, knowing a guy personally and spiritually for 15+ years is much different than getting support from some guy that you know by name.

So? Is he not his pastor? What difference does it make if he sat in his church for five or ten years - does he not believe when Hagee speaks? Otherwise, why was he there?

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: NeoV
I'm a bit confused what to think about this Ayers guy - an admitted terrorist, involved in bombing a NY police station and the Pentagon, among other buildings - cleared of charges in 1980, now a teacher of some sort at U of I in Chicago....served on a board w/Obama, held a fundraiser for him...a few other connections..

The Wright story I can live with - he wanted to emphasize his non-Muslim religous practice, etc...

This guy is a different story - and by the way - shame on a US University hiring this guy to work with college students.

I thought the Ayers/Obama was rather tenuous and informal. I'm no so sure now:

Ayers, now a professor of education, founded Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which was awarded nearly 50 million dollars to help reform Chicago schools. Obama was its first chairman....

Obama was board chairman of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge for three years starting in 1995 and he remained on the board until the project closed in 2001.

I mistakenly thought they merely served on the Board togther.

Being on a number of non-profit boards myself, I can see how just serving togther may not be a big deal. I can't even say I know all the people on larger non-profit boards.

But Ayers started it and Obama was the 1st Chairman? Any I've ever been on indicate these two know each other pretty d@mn well. I can't see Ayers handing Obama control of $50 million he raised from a source without being close enough to Obama to have confidence in him. Moreover, it's far more likely they worked closely together.

Will be curious to see if the non-profit's records are released, or if their tax returns (Form 990 - informational return technically) are looked over.

I wonder who gave the $50 mil?

Fern

Edit: Removed unintentional emoticon. Note to self - don't use a colon before typing "Obama".

 

[Vic]

That was already explored by Hillary for some possible mud and was determined to be a non-issue, Fern.

Funds came from the multi-billion dollar Annenberg Foundation.

Details of the challenge - Text

Website of the successor organization, the Chicago Public Education Fund - Text - whose investors and board of directors you really ought to look at.

 

[syzygy]

agreed but its not a merely a question of his poor judgment. that would be a gift for him, a plea deal he doesn't deserve. Obama also LIED about wright when he claimed that over the course of twenty years he was never present when those types of comments were made, that he was not aware wright possessed such opinions, and would have denounced them if he had know about them then. there are many layers of connivance, falsehood, and insincerity built in right there. And now there is Ayers, a more depraved character than Wright . . .

 

[syzygy]

Originally posted by: Vic
That was already explored by Hillary for some possible mud and was determined to be a non-issue, Fern.

'determined to be a non-issue' ? did hillary whisper this to you ? more like your fanciful imagination. you are revising events that are still warm. where is your patience 😉

hillary didn't pounce on the obvious for tactical reasons, for pure political self-interest, not because this was a 'non-issue'. she shared the same constituency with him and couldn't exploit it in such a tight race without risking critical electoral support. She was 'wise'.

 

[PokerGuy]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

The fact that he's not an Amoral Interventionist Hypocrite Republican like yourself tells you all you need to know.

Assumptions FTL. I'm not a republican, nor immoral, certainly not in any conceivable way interventionist, and not a hypocrit. Disagree with my perspective, but there's no need to personally attack me.

 

[PokerGuy]

Originally posted by: Vic
That was already explored by Hillary for some possible mud and was determined to be a non-issue, Fern.

I agree that it's a non-issue, but for a different reason. It's a non-issue because it's much too complicated/boring for the average non-political voter to care. Wright on the other hand..... I bet you're still going to see adds featuring him coming up.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: PokerGuy

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

The fact that he's not an Amoral Interventionist Hypocrite Republican like yourself tells you all you need to know.

Assumptions FTL. I'm not a republican, nor immoral, certainly not in any conceivable way interventionist, and not a hypocrit. Disagree with my perspective, but there's no need to personally attack me.

Sorry, my mistake as I assumed you were because you sounded like one.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: syzygy

Originally posted by: Vic
That was already explored by Hillary for some possible mud and was determined to be a non-issue, Fern.

'determined to be a non-issue' ? did hillary whisper this to you ? more like your fanciful imagination. you are revising events that are still warm. where is your patience 😉

hillary didn't pounce on the obvious for tactical reasons, for pure political self-interest, not because this was a 'non-issue'. she shared the same constituency with him and couldn't exploit it in such a tight race without risking critical electoral support. She was 'wise'.

And do you always just make things up even after I post links with details?
Hillary did pounce on it. Obama was directly confronted on the issue in a debate with Hillary in Philadelphia earlier this year. It died, not for the reasons you gave, but because there is nothing to see there.

 

[Fern]

Well, here come the Ayers & Obama political ads

Fern