Vic
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Keating funded McCain's political campaign into the Senate in 1986.
Look, they're playing the whole Ayers, etc. bit because they know that their guy is a scumbag of epic proportions. Literally the biggest stooge for hire in the Senate for the past 20 years.
In which McCain was found clean of any wrongdoing.
Meanwhile, DeConcini was appointed by Clinton in 1995 to the Board of Directors of the FHLMC after being found of interfering with the investigation (1 of the investigated senators of Keating 5).
Why do you bother? It's not like anything you say will change Corbett's mind. He didn't happen upon this 'information' and then formulate his opinion, he used some stupidass chain email to reinforce what he already believed, no matter how dumb it was.
He doesn't know what the real relationships of these people are, and more importantly he doesn't care. As long as it tells him what he wants to believe, it's good.
No, it doesn't look good....but I do wish he would at least address these claims by the right on this. I was just adding to your comment about McCain being a scumbag.
Do you wanna take a guess at how many of the 5 in the Keating 5 were Dems? Or do you want to just not bring that subject up again?
Ding ding ding, we have a winner :thumbsup:
The media and pundits can spin all they want, there is no possible way in my mind that anyone spends 20 years in Wright's racist church, becomes close enough friends with wright to consider him his moral compass and mentor and baptize his children, and yet conveniently never heard any of his crazy and racist theories. I'd rather not see that kind of a liar in the White House, I'll take the regular crooked politician over the slick polished one.
John McCain on Feb. 28, 2000:
I would think that you could add John Hagee to that list as well.
John McCain in 2007/2008 on Hagee (after he had already pandered to Falwell to get his endorsement):
Take note of the last two quotes. They were made the same day! He goes out and tries to distance himself from Hagee by saying that he doesn't agree with what Hagee stands for and then while stumping states the exact opposite.
Someone forgot to the the old man that this new fangled recording devices would be near.
That pastor standing for what McCain believes in is not the same as McCain standing for what that pastor believes in.
McCain didn't call him his spiritual leader and didn't sit in the pews for 15+ years. Unless Obama really didn't go to church all that often and was just hyping his religiousness up to garner religious votes....then he knew full well what a piece of work Wright was. Obama lied time and time again saying that he didn't know the rhetoric that Wright preached at his sermons, throwing his ass under the Obama bus once he got sick of defending him. Although I personally think Obama knew full well and actually held similar views.
That is a very clear distinction in the contrast of Obama/Wright to McCain/Hagee. You have to admit, knowing a guy personally and spiritually for 15+ years is much different than getting support from some guy that you know by name.
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
The point that you continue to make an ass out of yourself on these forumsOriginally posted by: Budmantom
That's correct, thanks for proving my point
That's right everybody that doesn't vote for Obama must be a racist, It didn't take you long to figure that out.
So? Is he not his pastor? What difference does it make if he sat in his church for five or ten years - does he not believe when Hagee speaks? Otherwise, why was he there?
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I thought the Ayers/Obama was rather tenuous and informal. I'm no so sure now:
I mistakenly thought they merely served on the Board togther.
Being on a number of non-profit boards myself, I can see how just serving togther may not be a big deal. I can't even say I know all the people on larger non-profit boards.
But Ayers started it and Obama was the 1st Chairman? Any I've ever been on indicate these two know each other pretty d@mn well. I can't see Ayers handing Obama control of $50 million he raised from a source without being close enough to Obama to have confidence in him. Moreover, it's far more likely they worked closely together.
Will be curious to see if the non-profit's records are released, or if their tax returns (Form 990 - informational return technically) are looked over.
I wonder who gave the $50 mil?
Fern
Edit: Removed unintentional emoticon. Note to self - don't use a colon before typing "Obama".
Vic
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That was already explored by Hillary for some possible mud and was determined to be a non-issue, Fern.
Funds came from the multi-billion dollar Annenberg Foundation.
Details of the challenge - Text
Website of the successor organization, the Chicago Public Education Fund - Text - whose investors and board of directors you really ought to look at.
Funds came from the multi-billion dollar Annenberg Foundation.
Details of the challenge - Text
Website of the successor organization, the Chicago Public Education Fund - Text - whose investors and board of directors you really ought to look at.
agreed but its not a merely a question of his poor judgment. that would be a gift for him, a plea deal he doesn't deserve. Obama also LIED about wright when he claimed that over the course of twenty years he was never present when those types of comments were made, that he was not aware wright possessed such opinions, and would have denounced them if he had know about them then. there are many layers of connivance, falsehood, and insincerity built in right there. And now there is Ayers, a more depraved character than Wright . . .
'determined to be a non-issue' ? did hillary whisper this to you ? more like your fanciful imagination. you are revising events that are still warm. where is your patience
hillary didn't pounce on the obvious for tactical reasons, for pure political self-interest, not because this was a 'non-issue'. she shared the same constituency with him and couldn't exploit it in such a tight race without risking critical electoral support. She was 'wise'.
Assumptions FTL. I'm not a republican, nor immoral, certainly not in any conceivable way interventionist, and not a hypocrit. Disagree with my perspective, but there's no need to personally attack me.
I agree that it's a non-issue, but for a different reason. It's a non-issue because it's much too complicated/boring for the average non-political voter to care. Wright on the other hand..... I bet you're still going to see adds featuring him coming up.
Vic
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Originally posted by: syzygy
'determined to be a non-issue' ? did hillary whisper this to you ? more like your fanciful imagination. you are revising events that are still warm. where is your patience
hillary didn't pounce on the obvious for tactical reasons, for pure political self-interest, not because this was a 'non-issue'. she shared the same constituency with him and couldn't exploit it in such a tight race without risking critical electoral support. She was 'wise'.
And do you always just make things up even after I post links with details?
Hillary did pounce on it. Obama was directly confronted on the issue in a debate with Hillary in Philadelphia earlier this year. It died, not for the reasons you gave, but because there is nothing to see there.
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