Pliablemoose
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Modelworks
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The NAACP figure head Al Sharpton is enough for me to lose all respect for them. There has never been a bigger racist than him, listen up Al , it goes both ways. You can't claim equal rights and then preach hate. He should get together with Louis Farakhan and form a "We hate anyone not black" organization, which is what they make the NAACP seem like.
I guess the cartoonist should have drawn a white rhino instead.
Personally I think he was referencing the monkey + typewriters quote.
Those complaining should look at the cartoonist web site.
http://www.seandelonas.com/index.htm
If he is racist I don't see it in any of his other drawings.
I guess the cartoonist should have drawn a white rhino instead.
Personally I think he was referencing the monkey + typewriters quote.
Those complaining should look at the cartoonist web site.
http://www.seandelonas.com/index.htm
If he is racist I don't see it in any of his other drawings.
blackangst1
Lifer
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Its OT, but in case you didnt notice, blacks are a minority. There shouldnt be a 1:1 ratio on cereal boxes as it would misrepresent our society.
Now, back to the topic at hand
Everyone is. Your problem is not the fact but the denial. You don't really feel what you say. If you could feel how broken you are you would heal. And if you could heal you would step up to the plate to protect others from being put down.
Those who deny the path to health find substitute satisfaction in false beliefs, like that at least they belong to a superior race, and thus arises the need to put some other race down. If it's not race, it's religion, or nationality, or sports team, or any of millions of other absurdities. But there is no other when you love for in love the lover and the beloved are one. It is in that garden that you were born and ejected from and have been blindly feeling for all your life. May your dreams come true up to the highest.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Do we have a history in this country of black people killing white people because they are white or white people killing black people because they are black?
Try to be real and deal with the context we actually live in.
A cartoon regarding killing George Bush, and I would like some examples, can be called tasteless or worse, but not racist. There is no large portion of the population or area of the country with a traditional bigotry toward whites. The cartoon we are looking at here links Obama to a traditional racial slur symbol being killed. It's like yelling snake in a theater full of Ophidiophobes. To do that and pretend to be brain dead of the consequences that might occur is willful ignorance and profoundly suspect. Acts have consequences, and of course, as the party of responsibility, the Republicans are going to be the first at bat to demand a swing at your head, no?
Modelworks
Lifer
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That is just it, it is history. It is like saying that because my great grandfather beat his wife, I must be a wife beater too. You can't claim you are oppressed because your ancestors were. Times change, the problem is some people can't accept that and are trying to milk it for all they can.
It is a cartoon, get over it. I have a friend who is black and lives in Kenya. I sent him the cartoon and he laughed at it. He didn't see the racist part of it.
TheSlamma
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Maybe people could get over it if cartoons like this stopping bringing it back up? Oh the irony.
If a British newspaper drew pictures of an Irish person with grass stains around their mouth they would be bringing up their dark history. By not drawing it that's what lets it go.
Modelworks
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Of course there are race issues, there always will be. But every time someone does something you don't like you can't play the racism card. Some people understand that . Some can't begin to understand it. It is fine to be proud of your history or race, but when you move it to a point of entitlement , that is when you have gone too far. If a person applies for a job or a loan or whatever, and if they didn't get the job or loan the first thing they say is "its because I'm black", that is the same racism they are accusing everyone else of being.
Making a fuss over cartoons like this one only makes things worse, not better. When the NAACP brings out things like this they send the message to young black kids, that white people don't like you. They don't single this out as one artist, they make it seem like it is the whole paper that is racist. It isn't helping equality, it is discouraging it.
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I was trying to show that it isn't all black people that see it is racist. It is mainly the people that have been fed this stuff by the media , over and over so much that they almost think it is a conspiracy to keep them oppressed.
Exactly.
Why is there a Jewish Anti-Defamation League when there's no more ovens and no more Nazi Germany.
When millions of people go down because of the bigotry of others, you pay attention to things and when your people have killed millions of others from their own bigotry everybody wants to distance themselves from it.
I thought that it implied that the monkey was congress, since congress wrote the Stimulus package. And since there recently was a chimp shot by police that was out of control, that congress was out of control as well.?? FU*K THE NAACP!!
I was trying to show that it isn't all black people that see it is racist. It is mainly the people that have been fed this stuff by the media , over and over so much that they almost think it is a conspiracy to keep them oppressed.
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Right, in Kenya all the black people call each other damn dirty apes and they've gotten very sensitive about it. Sheesh!
Don Vito Corleone
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Please link me to "plenty" of such cartoons. Hell, I'll settle for five - surely you can come up with more than that, since they were, according to you, so plentiful. Even if you were right - which I don't believe you are - it would be missing the point, in that the racial component would be totally missing.
nobodyknows
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Maybe they would get over it if people like Sharpton didn't play the victim card every chance they got? I'm reminded of the story of the boy who cried wolf.
The cartoon was in poor taste since it could be taken more then one way and probably shouldn't have been printed, but it was. Intent can't be proven one way or the other, so the NAACP's demand to fire people is uncalled for and at best will only create more problems then it solves.
I still say that anyone claiming this cartoon says "kill Obama" is an ignorant fool or a racist agitator. Period!
Obama did not write the bill. Get that through your heads people. Therefore there is no logical link to him in the cartoon.
Obama did not write the bill. Get that through your heads people. Therefore there is no logical link to him in the cartoon.
Doc Savage Fan
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The meaning of the cartoon is obvious to sane people. The insane live in a world of hypersensitivity to imagined racism. Funny thing is that they can't tell the difference between their imagination and reality...even if it bit them in the ass. Truth eludes them.
LTC8K6
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Michelle Malkin has many of the Bush assassination art and cartoons covered.
It's also quite easy to google plenty of them, as I'm sure you know. They were covered fairly widely on the internet, but not in the MSM, and not by the NAACP, and there certainly weren't any protests.
http://michellemalkin.com/cate...ed/assassination-chic/
As far as the race angle, there isn't one in the stimulus bill cartoon, except to those who invented it, so the comparison is quite valid.
There was even a museum/art exhibit regarding assassinating Sarah Palin, IIRC.
There was all sorts of nasty cartoons and art out there that was fine. It even goes back to Bill Clinton's days. Nobody mainstream ever protested it.
Atomic Playboy
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When I first viewed this cartoon, I saw nothing racist in it whatsoever. After someone specifically asked the question "Is this racist?" I began to see how it could be perceived that way, but it was a real stretch. And yet this story has somehow grown and become the biggest news event from the last week. Odd.
So when reexamining this story, I do what I do when faced with most topics for debate; I think about the issue logically. Whether or not the cartoon is racist hinges entirely on whether the chimpanzee is meant to represent Barack Obama. In my repeated viewings of the cartoon, I simply cannot make that connection. The cartoonist has taken a piece of local news and shifted it so the audience views it in a new light; this is a fundamental part of comedy. I don't find the cartoon amusing, but I can see what the cartoonist was attempting.
A monkey attacks a woman and has to be shot by police. This story becomes large enough throughout New England that a comedian, commentator, cartoonist, etc., anyone who specifically makes jokes about current events has to see it as a good bit. It's such an odd story to begin with; a chimp goes bananas? Who can pass that up? But as a comedian, you want to distinguish yourself. It's not enough to say "a monkey attacked someone and ain't that just some weird shit?" You need to try a different angle from other comedians to distinguish yourself. OK, so what angle can you take?
Meanwhile, the stimulus package is being discussed by Congress, and it's turning into something of a clusterfuck of insanity. Huge increases in spending on what looks like hundreds of pork projects, Republicans whining, Democrats calling the Republicans whiners... It's like a big Congressional slap-and-tickle fight. Everyone on Capitol Hill seems to be acting like a damn idiot, which of course means with a partisan slant (and Delonas' other cartoons clearly show a partisan slant), everyone on the other side is acting like a damn idiot. So Delonas sees a bunch of Democrats acting like idiots writing an asinine bill that reads like it was drafted by chimps... Wait, what's this about a monkey getting shot in Connecticutt? Perhaps I could link those...
That's how I see the creative process happening for this cartoon. I don't see Obama enter into Delonas' mind in the slightest. Now, I don't find the cartoon funny, and I think Delonas' other cartoons are vile homophobic hate-mongering bullshit... But to raise an outcry about this as a racist cartoon? That's simply not true. I think this is just another case of Al Sharpton being opportunistic by misrepresenting something so it suits his needs to rally people around the issues he wants to talk about. Or maybe he just has a grudge against Delonas for drawing him with a gigantic ass...
So when reexamining this story, I do what I do when faced with most topics for debate; I think about the issue logically. Whether or not the cartoon is racist hinges entirely on whether the chimpanzee is meant to represent Barack Obama. In my repeated viewings of the cartoon, I simply cannot make that connection. The cartoonist has taken a piece of local news and shifted it so the audience views it in a new light; this is a fundamental part of comedy. I don't find the cartoon amusing, but I can see what the cartoonist was attempting.
A monkey attacks a woman and has to be shot by police. This story becomes large enough throughout New England that a comedian, commentator, cartoonist, etc., anyone who specifically makes jokes about current events has to see it as a good bit. It's such an odd story to begin with; a chimp goes bananas? Who can pass that up? But as a comedian, you want to distinguish yourself. It's not enough to say "a monkey attacked someone and ain't that just some weird shit?" You need to try a different angle from other comedians to distinguish yourself. OK, so what angle can you take?
Meanwhile, the stimulus package is being discussed by Congress, and it's turning into something of a clusterfuck of insanity. Huge increases in spending on what looks like hundreds of pork projects, Republicans whining, Democrats calling the Republicans whiners... It's like a big Congressional slap-and-tickle fight. Everyone on Capitol Hill seems to be acting like a damn idiot, which of course means with a partisan slant (and Delonas' other cartoons clearly show a partisan slant), everyone on the other side is acting like a damn idiot. So Delonas sees a bunch of Democrats acting like idiots writing an asinine bill that reads like it was drafted by chimps... Wait, what's this about a monkey getting shot in Connecticutt? Perhaps I could link those...
That's how I see the creative process happening for this cartoon. I don't see Obama enter into Delonas' mind in the slightest. Now, I don't find the cartoon funny, and I think Delonas' other cartoons are vile homophobic hate-mongering bullshit... But to raise an outcry about this as a racist cartoon? That's simply not true. I think this is just another case of Al Sharpton being opportunistic by misrepresenting something so it suits his needs to rally people around the issues he wants to talk about. Or maybe he just has a grudge against Delonas for drawing him with a gigantic ass...
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
:laugh: sure as shit moonie pops up and lays another turd. Do you ever get tired of being a step behind in logic?
Hayabusa Rider
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Actually I'd be cool with the firing, but only if we fire all the people who drew Mohamed. After all we can't risk offending people.
The perfect solution is he who is without sin execute all the above trouble makers in the press. I'm sure many here consider themselves a sufficient judge of these situations to ruin, maim or kill because of their own moral superiority.
Everyone needs a hobby.
Racial faux-outrage sells papers and gets ratings. Whether it is about "nappy-headed hoes", the Spanish basketball team, or a cartoon.
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