# ++ ATOT official NEF thread part IV ++

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#### shortylickens

##### No Lifer
one gallon of water is 8.35 pounds.
normal showerheads spew 5 gallons of water per minute.
most people take 10 minute showers.

You would need 417 and a half pounds of snow to take a normal shower. or 100 pounds to take an efficient shower.

#### shortylickens

##### No Lifer
Snow weighs 24.97 pounds per cubic foot.
You'd have to shovel 16.72 cubic feet to get a showers worth. and god only knows how much energy it takes to melt all that.

#### Red Squirrel

##### No Lifer
PSA: You need to melt a LOT of snow to get water.
Snow is basically fluffy ice and ice is low density water.

You want 20 pounds of water? You need 20 pounds of snow.
Thats a fuckload of snow.

Yeah it's crazy how little water you get from it. For me it was basically enough to flush the toilet and to wash hands after going to the bathroom. If I had to do this for longer I would have built some kind of heat pad I can put in the snow to melt it faster too as having it just sit there took a while without having to keep boiling it and then pouring the water in to try to melt the rest.

Water has lot of energy storage density, so having to bring it from like -30 to above 0 takes a lot of energy.

#### shortylickens

##### No Lifer
Most terlets need 1.6 gallons to flush.
Which is 13.36 pounds of water. Which is 13.36 pounds of snow.
Which is like half a cubic foot. Which is probably one good scoop of snow for the average husky Canadian ginger.
Every time you wanna shit you have to go a shovel one scoop.

I recommend you just pee down the drain.

#### bigboxes

##### Lifer
PSA: You need to melt a LOT of snow to get water.
Snow is basically fluffy ice and ice is low density water.

You want 20 pounds of water? You need 20 pounds of snow.
Thats a fuckload of snow.
Tell me about it. I just want to be able to take a shit and be able to flush it. If none of the businesses have water then I can't get around it. I'm taking tomorrow off. I may go to Dallas tomorrow and see if it's better over there.

#### shortylickens

##### No Lifer
Tell me about it. I just want to be able to take a shit and be able to flush it. If none of the businesses have water then I can't get around it. I'm taking tomorrow off. I may go to Dallas tomorrow and see if it's better over there.

#### bigboxes

##### Lifer
You're the second person to suggest this. I am getting slow stream now. Hopefully, they fix the leaks and the temps raise to melt the frozen pipes.

#### Red Squirrel

##### No Lifer
That's good news, keep it running, the water might help melt what is left or at least stop it from freezing back over. Unless there's a break somewhere then that is another story.

#### bigboxes

##### Lifer
That's good news, keep it running, the water might help melt what is left or at least stop it from freezing back over. Unless there's a break somewhere then that is another story.
If it's more than a dribble then I couldn't afford to leave the water on. The stream has gotten stronger. The toilet tanks are filling on their own now. Just slower than normal. Providing a steady supply of water is better than no water.

#### Red Squirrel

##### No Lifer
Oh right, yeah if you're on a meter probably a bad idea to let it run.

#### shortylickens

##### No Lifer
my problem is an electric water heater. it does not get very hot nor very fast, so if something happens I'll be bathing in cool water relatively quick.

#### MrSquished

##### Lifer
Can we put jokes we find in this thread? Just saw this on reddit:

Two beggars in London

Ali and Habib are beggars. They beg in different areas of London ...

Habib begs just as long as Ali does, but only collects £2 to £3 every day.

Ali brings home a suitcase FULL of £10 notes, drives a Mercedes, lives in a mortgage-free house and has a lot of money to spend.

Habib asks Ali 'I work just as long and hard as you do but how is it that you bring home a suitcase full of £10 notes every day?'

Ali says, 'Look at your sign, what does it say'?

Habib's sign reads 'I have no work, a wife and 6 kids to support'.

Ali says No wonder you only get £2- £3

Habib says 'So what does your sign say'?

Ali shows Habib his sign. It reads:

'I only need another £10 to move back to Pakistan'.

#### MrSquished

##### Lifer
my problem is an electric water heater. it does not get very hot nor very fast, so if something happens I'll be bathing in cool water relatively quick.
Can you get an electric tankless in there?

#### bigboxes

##### Lifer
My water is back to normal. Nice to get a shower and shave. Feel clean again. Still took the day off. Got out and about. Places are still half closed. The shelves have been picked through. The temps will rise and melt all the snow this weekend. Things will get back to normal come Monday. At least, that is the hope.

#### Red Squirrel

##### No Lifer
my problem is an electric water heater. it does not get very hot nor very fast, so if something happens I'll be bathing in cool water relatively quick.
Been toying with getting an electric water heater as mine is on the way out and they're cheaper and easy to install DIY, but I do worry it might end up costing too much to run, or run out of water faster. Would be nice to get a condensing tankless gas model but those are crazy expensive. I'll probably end up just getting a conventional gas model though. Not as efficient but probably still cheaper to run than electric, and not THAT much more expensive to buy. I don't trust myself around gas though so I'd probably want to hire it out.

#### MrSquished

##### Lifer
Been toying with getting an electric water heater as mine is on the way out and they're cheaper and easy to install DIY, but I do worry it might end up costing too much to run, or run out of water faster. Would be nice to get a condensing tankless gas model but those are crazy expensive. I'll probably end up just getting a conventional gas model though. Not as efficient but probably still cheaper to run than electric, and not THAT much more expensive to buy. I don't trust myself around gas though so I'd probably want to hire it out.
Look into an electric tankless, cheaper and easier to install and maintain than gas versions. There is probably a comparison between electric tankless and traditional gas boilers as far as energy usage. Then plug that into a calculator with your energy prices and you can see if it's worth it. For a small household of one or two a tankless electric is more than adequate. 8GPM.

#### Red Squirrel

##### No Lifer
Look into an electric tankless, cheaper and easier to install and maintain than gas versions. There is probably a comparison between electric tankless and traditional gas boilers as far as energy usage. Then plug that into a calculator with your energy prices and you can see if it's worth it. For a small household of one or two a tankless electric is more than adequate. 8GPM.
Those need like 36kw lol. I would need to upgrade my whole hydro service since I only have 24kw. If I go tankless then I may as well go gas. The condensing units are pretty nice. At some point I may look at that and install it myself and then just hire out the gas fitting.

#### MrSquished

##### Lifer
Those need like 36kw lol. I would need to upgrade my whole hydro service since I only have 24kw. If I go tankless then I may as well go gas. The condensing units are pretty nice. At some point I may look at that and install it myself and then just hire out the gas fitting.
Isn't the power to your house used to determine what you can power dictated in amps?

Nyaa

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#### shortylickens

##### No Lifer
Can you get an electric tankless in there?
Umm, that would be even worse.
It means if something happens I will have NO reserve of hot water. Not a drop.

#### Red Squirrel

##### No Lifer
Isn't the power to your house used to determine what you can power dictated in amps?
Yeah but comes up to same, 100 amp service is 24kw, so for 36kw heater you would need a 150 amp breaker!

#### MrSquished

##### Lifer
Yeah but comes up to same, 100 amp service is 24kw, so for 36kw heater you would need a 150 amp breaker!
huh. interesting. I have a 720 sq foot 2BR but it's got Central Air, and while the boiler is gas, I'm assuming I could change it to tankless down the road. I'll have to check the main breaker and see if I can tell what amperage I have coming in to this place.

#### Red Squirrel

##### No Lifer
Yeah basically ohms law, whatever amperage you have, multiply by 240 and that's the max watts you can draw.

#### shortylickens

##### No Lifer
I x E = P, sometimes known as PIE.

R X I = E, ohms law.
Also, E / R = I