Atlantic Ocean getting hot as hell - could be monstrous hurricane season

[Moonbeam]

Yeah, mobile homes are the real state bird of Oklahoma.

I guess it's the crane in Florida.

 

[manly]

It has nothing to do with gambling.
They just need a much longer window than 5 days to dismantle a construction crane.

St. Pete mayor: Tower cranes could topple in Milton's winds

The city has been in touch with developers managing the cranes but said it is too late to have them removed.

baynews9.com

 

[yottabit]

It has nothing to do with gambling.
They just need a much longer window than 5 days to dismantle a construction crane.

St. Pete mayor: Tower cranes could topple in Milton's winds

The city has been in touch with developers managing the cranes but said it is too late to have them removed.

baynews9.com

I can’t imagine just not attempting to take them apart

I mean sure, maybe PROPERLY dissassembling them would take a few weeks. But get a crew with some oxy-acetylene torches and I bet they could get it apart pretty quick.

Before anybody cries destructive disassembly would be expensive, how expensive is a toppled crane?

Also you wouldn’t need to completely dismantle it either, just do something to reduce the wind sail area

Strong “we tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas” energy

At least they advised neighbors to get out. Did anyone die as a result of the cranes?

 

[mikeymikec]

Lol.

We're like a moth into flame.

My contribution to the proceedings:

https://www.tiktok.com/video/7226398596113894699

 

[sdifox]

I can’t imagine just not attempting to take them apart

I mean sure, maybe PROPERLY dissassembling them would take a few weeks. But get a crew with some oxy-acetylene torches and I bet they could get it apart pretty quick.

Before anybody cries destructive disassembly would be expensive, how expensive is a toppled crane?

Also you wouldn’t need to completely dismantle it either, just do something to reduce the wind sail area

Strong “we tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas” energy

At least they advised neighbors to get out. Did anyone die as a result of the cranes?

Umm what? Big metal pieces at high places that can only be reached with a bigger crane is not exactly something you want to willy ninny your way through.

 

[yottabit]

Umm what? Big metal pieces at high places that can only be reached with a bigger crane is not exactly something you want to willy ninny your way through.

My point is that it’s conceivable that either the construction company or the crane manufacturer could have some kind of rapid disassembly plan, that doesn’t involve trying to save the crane for reuse

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

My point is that it’s conceivable that either the construction company or the crane manufacturer could have some kind of rapid disassembly plan, that doesn’t involve trying to save the crane for reuse

The only rapid disassembly plan for a crane is 'it fell over'. At least if it falls over during a hurricane there aren't any idiots running around it. You also don't need to work through weeks of paperwork you don't have time for to get it approved. Act of nature and all that.

 

[pmv]

‘It’s mindblowing’: US meteorologists face death threats as hurricane conspiracies surge

Storms Helene and Milton have triggered rise of misinformation stoked by Trump and fellow Republicans

www.theguardian.com

Katie Nickolaou, a Michigan-based meteorologist, said that she and her colleagues have borne the brunt of much of these conspiracies, having received messages claiming there are category 6 hurricanes (there aren’t), that meteorologists or the government are creating and directing hurricanes (they aren’t) and even that scientists should be killed and radar equipment be demolished.

“I’ve never seen a storm garner so much misinformation, we have just been putting out fires of wrong information everywhere,” Nickolaou said.

“I have had a bunch of people saying I created and steered the hurricane, there are people assuming we control the weather. I have had to point out that a hurricane has the energy of 10,000 nuclear bombs and we can’t hope to control that. But it’s taken a turn to more violent rhetoric, especially with people saying those who created Milton should be killed.”

United States of Crazy

 

[yottabit]

The only rapid disassembly plan for a crane is 'it fell over'. At least if it falls over during a hurricane there aren't any idiots running around it. You also don't need to work through weeks of paperwork you don't have time for to get it approved. Act of nature and all that.

I guess my point is things are this way because we allow them to be. The crane example is probably a poor one to fixate on. But for now its economically viable to just let it topple over and let the insurance companies fight over the fallout. In the future as climate change progresses and this starts happening left and right that isn’t going to be a valid solution.

If everytime there is a problem like this our solution is to throw our hands on the air and say it’s better to just let it happen I don’t think we will survive as a species. Surviving climate change will require marvels of both engineering and determination.

To continue this example, once insurance companies stop covering these claims I’m guessing we’ll see the type of rapid (lets call it “hurricane preparedness”) contingency plans I’m talking about.

I’ll admit the image of a bunch of bayou boys crawling on the crane with their torches was a bit tongue and cheek and not productive 😅 but I can imagine a crane design that would allow for rapidly lowering it’s own counter weights, shortening the boom (even if it may cause permanent deformations or other damage to itself), basically a few key modifications that would drastically reduce the wind sail area and increase the wind rating, that could be executed by a crew working possibly 24/7 for a day or two. Doesn’t seem far fetched. Maybe it’s simpler to just have a rapid response plan to disassemble the whole thing if you’re operating in an area prone to hurricane, with teams that do drills to prove they can meet the warning time.

I’m just focusing on the crane because it’s emblematic of a larger issue I see. Obviously the other solution would be “stop building in these areas”

 

[Pens1566]

It's a cost/benefit analysis thing. There's very little to be gained in designing (an already uber complicated) piece of machinery to account for the minuscule chance that it might have to rapidly handle very specific emergency scenarios.

 

[Dave_5k]

It's a cost/benefit analysis thing. There's very little to be gained in designing (an already uber complicated) piece of machinery to account for the minuscule chance that it might have to rapidly handle very specific emergency scenarios.

Especially when in doing so you would almost certainly be adding multiple weak points for other modes of failure into the design ~ by definition a less safe crane for normal use

 

[kage69]

‘It’s mindblowing’: US meteorologists face death threats as hurricane conspiracies surge

Storms Helene and Milton have triggered rise of misinformation stoked by Trump and fellow Republicans

www.theguardian.com

United States of Crazy

Do NF/BNP wealthy or chav assholes represent the UK?

You have your own crazies, the tories have just always been better at keeping them tucked away. That's changing.

 

[pmv]

Do NF/BNP chav assholes speak for the UK?

Weird response. Do you see _every_ issue through nationalist terms? More evidence for my sense that nationalism is all-pervasive among Americans.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

It's a cost/benefit analysis thing. There's very little to be gained in designing (an already uber complicated) piece of machinery to account for the minuscule chance that it might have to rapidly handle very specific emergency scenarios.

This, we're talking about tens of millions in development, design, implementation, and either modification or replacement of a fleet... for a crane casualty rate of 1/year at most?

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

I still think there should/could be a way to secure them for storms. Even if it means somehow lashing them to neighboring buildings.

 

[cytg111]

Well I guess all the ice melting into the ocean round the poles should cool shit right down again. Duh.

Typical leftish hysteria.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Well I guess all the ice melting into the ocean round the poles should cool shit right down again. Duh.

Typical leftish hysteria.

Technically it would have a cooling effect, right up until it doesn't, then it gets really hot in a hurry.

 

[skyking]

@yottabit, you are indeed barking up the wrong tree. There is only one safe way to do it for the people doing the work. Take shortcuts and this is one of the results. I worked on that job at the base of that crane.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_crane_collapse
Back to the premise that it takes weeks/days:
These are my pictures. This went up in a day while I was slinging forms with the truck crane nearby.



It takes two cranes, a small one pimping for the big one, and also two picking the jib assembly to get the pins in.

it is easier to pin those sections together when both are hanging on a hook. That's my boss in the near left.
I had lunch with those guys and about a month later two of them were dead in that accident above.
So that thing about how long it takes? It really depends. If they have to climb it down because it is out of reach, add a few days. But if you can get a hook on it you can pull the counterweights, the jib, and the counter jib in a day.
But it requires good weather. See that accident above.

 

[skyking]

I still think there should/could be a way to secure them for storms. Even if it means somehow lashing them to neighboring buildings.

And that is exactly wrong thinking.
They are allowed to weathervane in strong winds. That is the only way it works.

 

[K1052]

I don't think rushing a crew to lower and dismantle a tower crane before a hurricane is probably safer than just leaving it up and hope for the best. It may not even be possible if there are a bunch of them.

 

[skyking]

you might get one or two before the winds are too strong to work, best case.

 

[nakedfrog]

‘It’s mindblowing’: US meteorologists face death threats as hurricane conspiracies surge

Storms Helene and Milton have triggered rise of misinformation stoked by Trump and fellow Republicans

www.theguardian.com

United States of Crazy

"Weather forecasters are useless, they can never get the forecast right!

Also: THEY'RE CONTROLLING THE WEATHER!"

 

[DaaQ]

you might get one or two before the winds are too strong to work, best case.

Plus, you cannot just start dismantling tower cranes every time a hurricane is forecasted. Too many variables on storm direction or travel.
Huge waste of money.

EDIT: sorry for the loss of your co-workers. I've lost a few myself. Ironically one was by an overhead rail crane.

 

[hal2kilo]

you might get one or two before the winds are too strong to work, best case.

Well at least they didn't do what the idiots did in Seattle and partially remove some of the bolts a day ahead and a wind storm came along and finished the job.

Victims of Seattle crane collapse to receive more than $112 million

The crane fell from the construction site.

abcnews.go.com

 

[skyking]

Well at least they didn't do what the idiots did in Seattle and partially remove some of the bolts a day ahead and a wind storm came along and finished the job.

Victims of Seattle crane collapse to receive more than $112 million

The crane fell from the construction site.

abcnews.go.com

Go back up and read my first post up there about all that.