Atlantic Ocean getting hot as hell - could be monstrous hurricane season

[kage69]

Weird response. Do you see _every_ issue through nationalist terms? More evidence for my sense that nationalism is all-pervasive among Americans.

Just a query meant to provoke you into thinking more.

I detest nationalism as well as the tendency for some to use it to describe an entire country. If I can appreciate that with my views towards Russians, can't you do it with Americans?

Also, I think your concept of evidence needs work.

 

[pmv]

Do NF/BNP wealthy or chav assholes represent the UK?

You have your own crazies, the tories have just always been better at keeping them tucked away. That's changing.

I mean, the BNP (and Reform Party) types absolutely do represent a significant strand of UK culture. We did, after all, used to have a vast exploitative empire. It's left its mark. This is why I'm not particularly 'patriotic'.

The Reform Party/UKIP/BNP mentality is absolutely a significant part of UK culture, just as Trumpery - and the very particular kind of madness that gives rise to the likes of MTG and beliefs about 'the left controling the weather' - is a product of the US's culture and history.

 

[iRONic]

It's a fact that Louisiana loses feet of coastline every year simply due to erosion. Saltwater incursion also ruins more habitable water and land. Add in hurricane damage OF ANY CAT and there will always be human, financial, agricultural, and cultural damage!

Recent article about Cameron, Louisiana. They keep putting Republicans in office with their votes while their former town slowly recedes into the gulf.

I visited a small, struggling, climate-ravaged town in Louisiana. Why is Donald Trump certain to win here? | Oliver Laughland | The Guardian

Many of the women present have also sacrificed a great deal to extreme weather. I ask one attender, who lost her home during Laura, whether she views herself as a victim of the climate crisis. She shakes her head. “I believe almighty God has a say-so of what the climate is gonna be,” she says.

 

[pmv]

Recent article about Cameron, Louisiana. They keep putting Republicans in office with their votes while their former town slowly recedes into the gulf.

I visited a small, struggling, climate-ravaged town in Louisiana. Why is Donald Trump certain to win here? | Oliver Laughland | The Guardian

Many of the women present have also sacrificed a great deal to extreme weather. I ask one attender, who lost her home during Laura, whether she views herself as a victim of the climate crisis. She shakes her head. “I believe almighty God has a say-so of what the climate is gonna be,” she says.

Dispiriting and fascinating - most-of-all that quoted remark about God. It's either that pure ideology can be such a powerful force that it trumps (!) material self-interest, or the real motivations are hidden behind some sort of veil so thick that they don't even know themselves what they are.

Though this comment

Rodrigue tells me she accepts climate science (Trump calls it a hoax), and is opposed to the blight and pollution of more gas terminal construction (a certainty if Trump wins next month). Yet she will still vote for him, remembering how the former president imposed seafood tariffs on China

seems a lot easier to attempt to make sense of. That sort-of-thing I can at least make a start at getting my head round.

 

[jdubs03]

Dispiriting and fascinating - most-of-all that quoted remark about God. It's either that pure ideology can be such a powerful force that it trumps (!) material self-interest, or the real motivations are hidden behind some sort of veil so thick that they don't even know themselves what they are.

Though this comment



seems a lot easier to attempt to make sense of. That sort-of-thing I can at least make a start at getting my head round.

I’m just going to be blunt. That first lady is a dumbass to an extraordinary level. The second is less dumb but still monumentally so. The levels of stupidity are like onions, you can just keep peeling them back with these fools.

 

[pmv]

I’m just going to be blunt. That first lady is a dumbass to an extraordinary level. The second is less dumb but still monumentally so. The levels of stupidity are like onions, you can just keep peeling them back with these fools.

Politics, though, means writing people off as dumbasses doesn't help. You have to somehow reach at least some of them. Just strikes me that the second one at least offers a clue as to the underlying issues, that maybe someone really good at politics could find a way to address, as complex as the underlying (usually economic) problems might be.

While the first one is entirely beyond me - at that point I'm inclined to give up in despair. It's hard enough to find political solutions to real material grievances, but when people don't seem to even themselves consciously understand their own motivations, it seems near-insoluble.

 

[esdm2409]

We are once again in uncharted territory as conditions in the Atlantic suggest a very active El Niño hurricane season.

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1793217165421691387

It's alarming & threatening for us......

 

[sandorski]

Apparently God is saying her neighbourhood is about to be re-zoned.

 

[Stokely]

They'll thank God for every good thing that happens, but if their home sinks into the mud it'll be the fault of gays and migrants or commies or whatever.

 

[BoomerD]

Maybe they should do better job of raking their beaches.

/Trump

 

[iRONic]

Heh heh… Sandy beaches that are common in most coastal areas are different in Louisiana and are pretty rare. It's usually just a few feet of marsh, some icky mud/sand combination, and then the gulf.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Did we even know Nadine and Oscar were out there?

 

[BoomerD]

Heh heh… Sandy beaches that are common in most coastal areas are different in Louisiana and are pretty rare. It's usually just a few feet of marsh, some icky mud/sand combination, and then the gulf.

You left out a thick layer of tar/oil from all the drilling and leaks...like Deepwatet Horizon.. .

 

[Paratus]

Did we even know Nadine and Oscar were out there?

Oscar apparently formed yesterday and is so small it didn’t really register by satellite.

Storm force winds only extend 5 miles from the center.

To the astonishment of forecasters, a tiny hurricane just sprang up near Cuba

A hurricane so small that it could not be observed by satellite formed this weekend, surprising forecasters at the National Hurricane Center.

arstechnica.com

 

[Franz316]

Arctic ice has now dropped to a record low for this time of year after having a well below average summer. This is something that should make the news but never will.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Arctic ice has now dropped to a record low for this time of year after having a well below average summer. This is something that should make the news but never will.

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Is it also good that it's above 2012 values? As in, we are at least repairing some damage as it were, even if things are not back to median levels?

 

[jdubs03]

Arctic ice has now dropped to a record low for this time of year after having a well below average summer. This is something that should make the news but never will.

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Total sea ice is also likely to be at a record minimum because of Antarctic sea ice extent being so low (there has definitely been a step change in the conditions there, with the Arctic things have been more gradual, but steady along with increasing regional temperatures). But interesting to see the Arctic back down to such low levels.

This is all inevitable. That’s why I can’t stand the deniers. They ignore all the negative events happening due to a specific cause but will cherry pick some event (for example a record low temperatures somewhere) that can be explained by natural variability. It’s enraging. And there are very specific purveyors of this bullshit.

Is it also good that it's above 2012 values? As in, we are at least repairing some damage as it were, even if things are not back to median levels?

It’s only a matter of time before the record minimum low extent from 2012 is broken. The up and downs are a result of year to year variation. The trend is not our friend that’s where you see the main decrease over time.
The Arctic is warming roughly 3 times faster than the temperature increased globally, sea ice concentration is probably near record levels, though I would have to check for that. But basically all the old thicker ice isn’t there anymore because it’s melted away.

(edited for correcting autocorrect 🫠).

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

In 2012, The Great Lakes had almost no ice at all. Even Superior had very little ice.

Great Lakes Ice Cover Database: NOAA GLERL

Information from NOAA-GLERL

www.glerl.noaa.gov

In 2014, The Great lakes hit a point where they were almost 100% covered with Ice. Lake Ontario rarely freezes over.

Great Lakes Ice Cover Database: NOAA GLERL

Information from NOAA-GLERL

www.glerl.noaa.gov

2024 was again very low.

You can click through the years at the top right of those charts to compare.

 

[Franz316]

Total sea ice is also likely to be at a record minimum because of Antarctic sea ice extent being so low (there has definitely been a step change in the conditions there, with the Arctic things have been more gradual, but steady along with increasing regional temperatures,). But interesting to see the Arctic back down to such low levels.

This is all inevitable. That’s why I can’t stand the deniers. They ignore all the negative events happening due to a specific cause but will cherry pick some event (for example a record low temperatures somewhere) that can be explained by natural variability. It’s in enraging. And there are very specific purveyors of this bullshit.


It’s only a matter of time before the record minimum low extent from 2012 is broken. The up and downs are a result of year of year variation. The trend is not our friend that’s where you see the main decrease over time.
The Arctic is warming roughly 3 times faster than the temperature increased globally, see ice concentration is probably near record levels, though I would have to check for that. But basically all the old thicker ice isn’t there anymore because it’s melted away.

Yeah you can see that the ice thickness and age is steadily declining. It's only a matter of time before we see iceless Arctic summers. The feedback loop of dark water absorbing more heat preventing ice creation is very hard to overcome in a warming world. Deniers at this point are just so tiresome.

 

[jdubs03]

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Yeah you can see that the ice thickness and age is steadily declining. It's only a matter of time before we see iceless Arctic summers. The feedback loop of dark water absorbing more heat preventing ice creation is very hard to overcome in a warming world. Deniers at this point are just so tiresome.

The world would have to be completely on fire and the apocalypse occurring for those assholes to admit they were wrong the whole time.

The worst ones are those who try to use the uncertainties in our temperature datasets (whether via temporal or spatial sampling; and deficiencies* of the specific locations of the readings) as a means of saying we don’t actually know if the world is actually warming (I’m all for more accurate long-term data, but they pull that crap as a façade for bad intentions). And if you win there, then they point to a line chart showing like 100s of million years of temperatures (all based on proxies with massive uncertainties) being like “oh we’re at such a lower point, it was much warmer in the past”, like that’s an actual good reason to continue emitting greenhouse gases. They can’t comprehend that the main issue is the rate of change in temperatures, and that plenty of species of Animalia and flora are vulnerable too quick changes in their climates/environments.

I’ve had Twitter arguments about the temperature record and how we know what the decadal trend in temperatures are. It’s like arguing against a wall. I point out our satellite data, our surface data (from several different sources), radiosonde (balloon data); they all point in the same direction and yet still some refuse to acknowledge the reality, and maybe others will finally back down and accept they lost the argument. I’d say the last one there is rare.

 

[Jaskalas]

The world would have to be completely on fire and the apocalypse occurring for those assholes to admit they were wrong the whole time.

That is literally not possible. (The wrongful admission part).
They will simply throw unbelievers into the volcano to appease Cheeto Jesus.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Hey!

Russia amplified hurricane disinformation to drive Americans apart, researchers find​

New research shows Russia has worked to amplify false and misleading claims about the U.S. government’s response to Hurricanes Helene and Milton as part of the Kremlin’s efforts to manipulate Americans before the Nov. 5 election.


Yay?

Nay?

It would explain why the (R)ussian party jumped on it so quick.

 

[BoomerD]

I will keep rooting for the hurricanes until one FINALLY washes away the shit stain that is Mar a Lago.

 

[iRONic]

How the FUCK has this West Palm Beach shit hole escaped being a direct hit from a hurricane so far?!?!

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

^^^ Would YOU want to blow anyone there?