Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
It's even nicer (from the company's POV) when their fanboy's lie/misslead for them.Originally posted by: Rollo
It's nice when companies lie to you to get your business, isn't it?
That's a nice sentiment Bunnyfubbles- but I didn't lie/misrepresent. I simply pointed out what ATI did, and admitted to doing.
If you want to believe they made a "mistake" with something as easy as setting the slider bars for image quality on the nVidia cards in their demo, that's fine.
Personally, as an adult who can read, I can tell what the resolution is, what the AA, what the AF, etc are set on and couldn't make that sort of mistake by "accident". :roll:
Sounds like more ATi PR FUD to me. The only document that anyone has actually seen came from ATi (the pdf) If they really have a nVidia powerpoint presentation, they should publish it exactly as they recieved it. Most office documents embed user information and product keys inside themselves too, so in theory it would be possible (just laborious and complicated) to ultimately prove exactly where it came from originally.
Oh, and if that document wasn't authored by nVidia and ATi claims it was, that amounts to a serious case of fraud and I would hope nVidia would pursue appropriate legal action against ATi.
It's not that serious. Neither company published the document as official material so there can be no legal action.
Being Australian I don't understand American law perfectly, but, in Australia impersonating another or claiming to be person (applies to companies too), especially to obtain an advantage or cause damage to the impersonated person's reputation is a criminal, not civil offense and is a quite serious crime.
Exactly. Even if it were real, internal sales materials are seldom flattering toward mopeting products. The only actionable materials are published.
(i.e. Chevy can produce an internal "Why Ford trucks suck" document for everyone on staff as often as they like without concern. They can't take out ads of that nature in in radio/tv/newspapers)
What I'm getting at in my posts (and I thought I made it reasonably clear) was the powerpoint document, that ATi alleges was created by nVidia. If it wasn't created by nVidia, but by ATi, using nVidia logos etc, and then leaked out for the world to see I think nVidia would have a strong case against ATi.
Are you trying to be cute or just can't read? Did you not see the admission from ATi PR that the document was forwarded to them by an AIB and that the hidden comments are hers? The only thing in question right now is whether the document came from Nvidia which is highly likely. Unless you think that Patti woman is outright lying about the comments being hers.
Well firstly, they haven't claimed it was by Nvidia. They claimed they received it from an unmentioned AIB. Secondly, the only logo in the document is for Crossfire.
Its not from NV, so your first comment trying to prove that ATi and NV flame each other is moot. Which is what I was implying.
I understand you Gstanfor, and while I agree with you this sort of thing should be against the law, I don't think it is.
nVidia would have to prove damages of some sort, and the document, whatever it is, just looks like aggressive internal marketing.
Still haven't gotten round to looking at the document in question yet, but, I strongly doubt it is nVidia.
First, ATi said it came from an AIB vendor - AIB vendors are not nVidia.
Second, if you remember back to when nVidia DID do this sort of thing against the british Kyro, the document was clearly from nVidia, (logos etc).
Third, If there are no nVidia logos etc, then anyone could have created it and claimed it came from nVidia.
Fourth, the one logo it is reported to have is an ATi crossfire logo...
First, ATi said it came from an AIB vendor - AIB vendors are not nVidia.
Second, if you remember back to when nVidia DID do this sort of thing against the british Kyro, the document was clearly from nVidia, (logos etc).
Third, If there are no nVidia logos etc, then anyone could have created it and claimed it came from nVidia.
Fourth, the one logo it is reported to have is an ATi crossfire logo...
Wow how these always turn into a flame war. People's video card preference is just as strong as their political opinions.
Plenty of people have praised ATi up as the virgin mary of the video card industry while slagging nVidia off at the same time. The beyond3d forums are full of such nonsense even to this day.
And the subject of morals was brought up in one of the other threads yesterday (with nVidia supposedly being on the losing end according to the poster).
And the subject of morals was brought up in one of the other threads yesterday (with nVidia supposedly being on the losing end according to the poster).
QFT
E.G. ATI tells review sites they don't have trilinear optomizations and that they need to turn nVidias off for "apples to apples". Then, when it's found they lied and do have similar trilinear optomizations, they say their trilinear is how it "should be defined". LOL
What about nVidia and 3Dmark
What about ATi and its "optmizations"
What about this
What about that.
Jeez, it happens all the time, at least if the company can own up to it and say they are wrong is better than denying the fact.
What about ATi and its "optmizations"
What about this
What about that.
Jeez, it happens all the time, at least if the company can own up to it and say they are wrong is better than denying the fact.
Damages? How about sales? I think you'd just have to prove it was leaked by an ATI rep..
Not that it takes much of anything to wage a lawsuit anyway.
Morals? Corporations? Yeah, right. They'd like to pretend is higher, mightier and more "moral". But theres no such thing in business. If they were moral, they wouldnt be where they are today. Whoever said that needs to read up on business 101, where it says the only purpose for a business to exist is to turn a profit and nothing else.
If it comes down to shutting the doors, or using Chinese slave labor.. a businessman will use chinese slave labor. Wouldnt be much of a businessman if he didnt.
Morality is one thing, might as well shoot yourself in the foot trying to be moral and make money.. but honor is another. Japanese business being a great example of this. America, Australia and Britain would be included as well among others. But is it honorable for a Canadian company to be saved from the brink of extinction by bunch of Americans?
But they would never own up to it willingly until they are dead caught at a lie. 3rd Party benchmarks are the only thing you can trust, needless to say.
Well I don't know what your definition of flaming is. But even if the presentation didn't originate from Nvidia (which I believe it did), the comments from ATi were most definitely of the AT fanb0y flaming nature :laugh: If I didn't know better, there are a couple people here who could've easily come up with those remarks.
Originally posted by: housecat
Damages? How about sales? I think you'd just have to prove it was leaked by an ATI rep..
Not that it takes much of anything to wage a lawsuit anyway.
<throws old shoe out window at Housecat>
My point about damages is "how do you prove lost sales" or that this document is the source of them?
Everything in the document points flames ATI and pimps SLI, so I would think anyone reading/believing it would buy nVidia, not ATI? If I were nV, I'd want everyone to see that document, it pretty much shreds Crossfire.
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