I don't see what all this fuss is about. It seems quite simple to me enmic or whatever the heck the company is called is going to "offer" a powered by ATI card with a flow FX system on it. Even though it is not a necessary component as of yet on any ati card even the R350. Also if one would like to they can purchase the cooler the same as one can pruchase a Zalman Heat Pipe and put it on their GPU. WHereas the new GeforceFX has to have the dustbuster 2003 on it or else it will overheat.
Something to consider:
- Though this card hasn't been tested for noise levels, they state that it will be operating between 600rpms and 1500 rpms. Hell Panaflo L1As spin faster than that, with a properly balanced fan these should be extremely quiet. Keep in mind that the maor problem people are having with the FlowFX cooler is that its too damn loud.
- It still eats one of your PCI slots just like the FlowFX so it still has that drawback
Say what you want about the FlowFX and this thing, I'd buy them if they were quieter than standard cooling solutions, I'm sure others would too.
- Though this card hasn't been tested for noise levels, they state that it will be operating between 600rpms and 1500 rpms. Hell Panaflo L1As spin faster than that, with a properly balanced fan these should be extremely quiet. Keep in mind that the maor problem people are having with the FlowFX cooler is that its too damn loud.
- It still eats one of your PCI slots just like the FlowFX so it still has that drawback
Say what you want about the FlowFX and this thing, I'd buy them if they were quieter than standard cooling solutions, I'm sure others would too.
This is not that big of a suprise, Abit was using this system MONTHS ago on their Ti4200 OTES card, people just assume all systems like this are "bad" because nVidia paired it with a 7000 rpm fan. Its actually a pretty good design IMO, and i'd buy a card with one if it kept heat out of my case.
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its all just a ripoff of abit anyway.
ati card still implies that the card was manufactured by ati, when it was not. powered-by ati would be most accurate
since nvidia does not manufacture cards (and we know this) its also known that when someone says nvidia card they're refering to a board manufactured by someone other than nvidia.
ati card still implies that the card was manufactured by ati, when it was not. powered-by ati would be most accurate
since nvidia does not manufacture cards (and we know this) its also known that when someone says nvidia card they're refering to a board manufactured by someone other than nvidia.
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I'm sorry, but you've got some pretty strange logic going on there. Does that mean that every motherboard ever made with an Intel 440BX chipset, is an "Intel motherboard"? Not quite.
And for the record, Nvidia *does* make cards. The key factor here is, they don't sell them into the retail market, as that would compete directly with their 1st-tier chipset customers. They only sell them (cheaply) to high-volume OEM integrators (Dell, etc). They may not even physically mfg the cards, they may outsource them.
As a form of proof, I have a totally-generic looking GF2 MX AGP card, that has "NVidia" on the PCB itself, and an FCC ID that seems to indicate that it was made by NVidia themselves.
actually, it's an Enmic card w/ an ATI GPU.
w/ Nvidia, you can call any card w/ an Nvidia GPU an Nvidia Card because Nvidia doesn't make it's market it's own cards. ATI does, so to call a video card w/ an ATI Gpu in it built by an OEM, an ATI card IS misleading.
why?? how many ati cards use this? how many nvidia cards use such a cooler?
can you reasonably buy an ati card w/o a flowfx type cooler? can you reasonably buy an Nvidia FX card w/o one??
If you really want to get technical, ATi doesn't build the majority of their cards either, Sapphire does. At the 9700pro's launch, > 90% of ATi's "built by" cards were actually manufactured by Sapphire. I'm sure this % has only increased since ATi has been moving away from fabbing their own pcbs for some time.
yes.
yes.
so you all think when gpus hit 500+ mhz they are still gonna be able to use 1/2" thick heatsinks and tiny fans?
give it up, videocards are gonna need heatsinks like cpus soon, they should just use bigger,quieter fans. Rather than high-rpm screamers.
ATi will be taking up 2 slots soon too, just like NVIDIAs future cards will also require, the heat has to go somewhere.
give it up, videocards are gonna need heatsinks like cpus soon, they should just use bigger,quieter fans. Rather than high-rpm screamers.
ATi will be taking up 2 slots soon too, just like NVIDIAs future cards will also require, the heat has to go somewhere.
Spicedaddy
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So does the DustBuster enable the 9700 to be overclocked to 500MHz, like it did for the Geforce FX? 
Originally posted by: Acanthus
are there 3ghz wilamettes?
D'uh, everyone knows if you buy a really loud fan you can overclock your 1.5Ghz Athlon XP Palomino and turn it into a P4 Northwood 3GHz.
Chiz
exactly what i was getting at, The 9700 pro chip (unless they added about 40 layers) could never reach 500mhz without some kind of supercooling, comparing a .15 chip to a .13 chip is exactly like comparing a northwood to a wilamette. Only in this case the Wilamette is faster >< .
Markfw
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IF they were quiet, I would buy one too, as I don't care about the slot (empty so no IRQ conflict), and I don't want the heat in my case. I know in the future, cards will just get bigger and hotter. And I would love to see the heat go outside the case..... But most importantly, NO NOISE !! NO DUSTBUSTER !!!! and then I will buy one.
Problem with the dustbuster is noise. Loss of the PCI slot is annoying, but not a big deal for but a few and no problem for most. NOISE is why it's mocked.
Since we don't know how loud this is it's not even that funny for me, personally. Cuz that's the comparison, not the design.
Since we don't know how loud this is it's not even that funny for me, personally. Cuz that's the comparison, not the design.
Hello, people! This thing spins up to a *max* of 1500RPM while the Dustbuster Ultra 5600 spins up to an earth rattling 4000+RPM. And since noise=RPM^2 I think this sollution will be well within the acceptable range of everyone. Infact, if you have a well venthilated case, this thing will spin at 600RPM. And i'll tell you all, that's quieter than an undervolted panaflo. Blowers are not loud by design. Most spin at low RPMs, like this one. I believe this is a *good* idea. It's a slow spinning high flowrate cooling system. Where's the problem?! Read the article!
Try engaging your brain before engaging your mouth. The cards powered by Ati-chips have variety of different cooling-methods. One manufacturer uses heatpipes and passive cooling. This particular manufacturer chose to use FlowFX-wannabe. However, 98% of all cards with Ati-chip is going to use normal-cooling. In short:
- Card-manufacturers are free to use whatever cooling-method they prefer
- "Normal" cooling is more than enough for any Ati-chip, and most manufacturers stick to it
- Some manufacturers prefer more exotic methods
- This manufacturer chose to use more exotic cooling-method
- But the fact remains that normal heatsink and fan is more than enough
- And the fact remains that excluding two exceptions, all manufacturers use normal cooling.
Here are the facts:
ALL GF FX Ultras are sold with the dustbuster. That is a FACT. The Dustbuster was the product NV sent to the reviewers. The ones without the dustbuster are regural FX's (the "even slower FX"
).People laughed at NV because:
-If you want a FX Ultra, you have to get the dustbuster as well
-There is a FX with no dustbuster "available" (still haven't seen them anywhere), but it's considerably slower
The difference is that if you want a 9700Pro (or 9800Pro), you can get it with "normal" cooling. If you want a FX Ultra, you have to get it with that ridiculous cooling-solution.
You mean Ati-branded vid-cards (as opposed to Hercules, Sapphire etc.)? I can buy an Ati vid-card just fine in Finland.
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