Atheism discussion thread

[Sea Moose]

I dont even drink.

No pie for you!

 

[MJinZ]

Speak for yourself - I don't ask myself that question. In fact, most rational people don't, because we have no reason to believe our lives are meaningful at all. Self-important, narcissistic religious zealots on the other hand....

Actually, that is the greatest logical fallacy of all time. If all people do not believe in a meaning, then they live purely out of fear of pain and death. Since pain and death are inevitable, and meaningfulness is no longer in question, then life and death makes no difference. It is only rational to do whatever you wanted to do, pay no attention to laws, morals, ethics, others etc and commit suicide in the most painless manner possible once you are done with your orgy.

So why aren't you going about doing those things?

 

[FelixDeCat]

You can pray, or you can actually do something which genuinely does affect reality.

To pray is to genuinely affect reality, you just dont realize it. I can give you real life examples. You will dismiss them, but thats what I expect from an atheist.

The angels have warned me about certain things before they even happen. Despite your rejection of God, they still pray for you.

God bless the guardian angels. ()

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Now that's just silly. Atheism is just the opposite side of the coin to the big question we all have ... "What is the meaning of our lives?".

Nothing could be more false. Atheism prescribes no tenets. It is simply the condition of lacking a belief that a god or gods exist. If there is a circle in which all belief-sets featuring "God exists" are included, then atheism is anything and everything which falls outside that circle. Period.

 

[Mike Gayner]

Actually, that is greatest logical fallacy of all time. If all people do not believe in a meaning, then they live purely out of fear of pain and death. Since pain and death are inevitable, and meaningfulness is no longer in question, then life and death makes no difference. It is only rational to do whatever you wanted to do, pay no attention to laws, morals, ethics, others etc and commit suicide in the most painless manner possible once you are done with your orgy.

So why aren't you going about doing those things?

Ummm, wow. Yeah, you religious fanatics really are psychopathic nutjobs, huh? Does it bother anyone else that the only thing keeping this person sane is his imaginary friend in the sky?

 

[FelixDeCat]

And yet you wonder why so many people stereotype the religious as ignorant. In your case, the stereotype is fulfilled.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gott_mit_uns

And this is why they destroyed churches and murdered priests? Because they were not atheists, right?

Please.

 

[lxskllr]

To pray is to genuinely affect reality, you just dont realize it. I can give you real life examples. You will dismiss them, but thats what I expect from an atheist.

The angels have warned me about certain things before they even happen. Despite your rejection of God, they still pray for you.

God bless the guardian angels. ()

Hmm... Praying didn't help those 10 churches in Texas....

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Actually, that is greatest logical fallacy of all time.

You are cordially invited to explain this alleged fallacy in explicit detail.

If all people do not believe in a meaning, then they live purely out of fear of pain and death.

See, this is what's called a non-sequitur.

Since pain and death are inevitable, and meaningfulness is no longer in question, then life and death makes no difference. It is only rational to do whatever you wanted to do, pay no attention to laws, morals, ethics, others etc and commit suicide in the most painless manner possible once you are done with your orgy.

There's another slew of them.

So why aren't you going about doing those things?

Because my girlfriend won't let me grow a beard, so I must remain capable of looking at myself in the mirror each morning while I shave.

 

[Sea Moose]

The OP requested no religious nuts in this thread. Lock and delete as they, as per real life, couldnt keep their noses out.

 

[MJinZ]

Ummm, wow. Yeah, you religious fanatics really are psychopathic nutjobs, huh? Does it bother anyone else that the only thing keeping this person sane is his imaginary friend in the sky?

I do not believe in no religion nor any God prescribed by humans but I am both intelligent and rational enough to prescribe the following possibilities:

1) Intelligent Design
2) Benevolent God
3) Malevolent God
4) Many Gods
5) Imperfect God

While my degree in Chemistry and Biochemistry solidifies basic truths of life:

1) Evolution
2) Genetics
3) Epi-genetics and Environmental

As many Geneticists will tell you, there is no conflict in believing in "something" greater than ourselves and Scientific theories like Evolution.

 

[sandorski]

To even proposition a lack of evidence is questionable.

Now assume you are right about the "lack of evidence", logically you can not conclude that God does not exist.

It is a leap of Faith, one that you put in Empirics and the Scientific Method that you are able to conclude as such.

As much as it is a leap of Faith to conclude there must be a God.

Either direction is an illogical progression of your argument, and ironically COUNTER-PROVES your own stance on Science and Rationality.

The MOST you can logically claim is that you are Agnostic.

Negative. No one has ever offered more than, "God told me" as Evidence. Sorry, that doesn't warrant me to think twice about it.

I was very Religious(Pentecostal/Evangelical) in my Youth. Pentecostals have many interesting Experiences, but in the end it is all BS.

There is no God.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

And this is why they destroyed churches and murdered priests? Because they were not atheists, right?

This is not a substantive rebuttal to the fact I presented which refutes you. Furthermore, it is a silly error in reasoning to suppose that anyone having committed an atrocity against a religious person or building is necessarily an atheist.

But again, you represent the Christian stereotype perfectly, right down to the state in which you reside.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Hmm... Praying didn't help those 10 churches in Texas....

I pray that those militant God haters are brought to justice. Dont you?

 

[FelixDeCat]

This is not a substantive rebuttal to the fact I presented which refutes you. Furthermore, it is a silly error in reasoning to suppose that anyone having committed an atrocity against a religious person or building is necessarily an atheist.

But again, you represent the Christian stereotype perfectly, right down to the state in which you reside.

Of course it was.

 

[sandorski]

The OP requested no religious nuts in this thread. Lock and delete as they, as per real life, couldnt keep their noses out.

In fairness, if the opposite had been discussed and requested, it would not have stopped us Agnostic/Atheists from getting involved. It's the way of ATOT.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Of course it was.

Now, there's a brilliantly elucidated argument.

For your edification

 

[Mike Gayner]

This thread has gone exactly where I expected it to go.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

In fairness, if the opposite had been discussed and requested, it would not have stopped us Agnostic/Atheists from getting involved. It's the way of ATOT.

Yep, it's another day.

 

[sandorski]

This thread has gone exactly where I expected it to go.

Impossible!!

 

[FelixDeCat]

This thread has gone exactly where I expected it to go.

You mean the part where you said, "Yeah, you religious fanatics really are psychopathic nutjobs, huh?"

:hmm:

 

[IronWing]

I think religion/non-religion religion threads in ATOT would go a lot better if the participants had to tape their ass cheeks together before posting.

 

[El Guaraguao]

I dont understand why some of you think this thread has derailed. the op asked the ATOT atheist what they believed in, since atheist dont necessarily believe in a omnipotent being. So far, the responses seems docile.

except for felixdekats replies.... lol, i kid i kid. just messin with you little guy

 

[MJinZ]

Negative. No one has ever offered more than, "God told me" as Evidence. Sorry, that doesn't warrant me to think twice about it.

I was very Religious(Pentecostal/Evangelical) in my Youth. Pentecostals have many interesting Experiences, but in the end it is all BS.

There is no God.

argumentum ad ignorantiam

You can not prove a premise false only because it has not been proven true.

 

[MJinZ]

You are cordially invited to explain this alleged fallacy in explicit detail.


See, this is what's called a non-sequitur.


There's another slew of them.


Because my girlfriend won't let me grow a beard, so I must remain capable of looking at myself in the mirror each morning while I shave.

My bad, I was thinking of Sandorski's response when I wrote that. I don't think that is a technical logical fallacy, perhaps an informal one or an assumed verbal one.

Also, there was no non-sequiter. The argument requires taking a few assumptions to be true, which I think we can make as intelligent people. They are as follows:

Premise 1: Rationality determines sanity

Premise 2: Sane persons will behave in a non-random - aka predictable manner. See examples of insanity for contrast.

Premise 3 : A non-random/predictable sequence of events is the opposite of random sequence of events - seems obvious but needs to be stated.

Premise 4: Non-randomness is purposeful, and thus inherently meaningful. The question of what the meaning actually is is not the subject.

Premise 5: A life of purposeful and non-random actions and states of being is an inherently meaningful life.

If you accept the truth of the foregoing premises, then you can make this Argument:

1) If a person is rational and sane, they will live a life of purposeful actions and/or states of beings, by definition a meaningful life.

2) XYZ is a rational and sane person.

3) Therefore, XYZ will live meaningful life.

This is a simple argument that not be refuted on grounds of validity; if you believe the premises to be true, then Statement 1 and Statement 2 are True, Statement 3 MUST absolutely be true.

Now I stated " If all people do not believe in a meaning, then they live purely out of fear of pain and death. ", which would take another set of premises and arguments to explain, but at this point, you can probably see the direction I'm going in (Death is a result of the progression of time, pain is an instinctual sensation to avoid).

 

[Sea Moose]

argumentum ad ignorantiam

You can not prove a premise false only because it has not been proven true.

I dont know latin for fuck off.

But seriously, God is in the same category as the Easter Bilby and Santa Claus and disney characters