AT World of Warcraft Thread (Cataclysm, Where do you play, General BS and all that)

[Chimley]

Warriors are fucked. I've been PVPing since we stopped raiding.. and planned to do so until Cata. Went into some BG's last night, and got utterly destroyed by Range/Casters classes. Bladestorm hits like a wet noodle now. I sat on a shadow priest last night with BS popped, and he just sat there giggling at me while he lit me up in three spells.

I can't even imagine playing like this until Cata comes out . I understand shit is balanced around being L85.. but this is redonk. Fury warriors are reportingly doing around Ulduar type numbers.. with fucking Shadowmournes!

Haven't tried tanking yet.. kind of scared.

 

[Malladine]

Well, my 69 retribution paladin is a lot weaker than before - no seal of command (seal of truth SUCKS in comparison) and on top of that and heavy cooldown on crusader's really limits the use of divine storm and templar's verdict.

Far less damage overall and completely different playstyle. Not that the different is bad.

Warriors are fucked. I've been PVPing since we stopped raiding.. and planned to do so until Cata. Went into some BG's last night, and got utterly destroyed by Range/Casters classes. Bladestorm hits like a wet noodle now. I sat on a shadow priest last night with BS popped, and he just sat there giggling at me while he lit me up in three spells.

I can't even imagine playing like this until Cata comes out . I understand shit is balanced around being L85.. but this is redonk. Fury warriors are reportingly doing around Ulduar type numbers.. with fucking Shadowmournes!

Haven't tried tanking yet.. kind of scared.

Yeah, feeling the same playing my warrior - casters are inordinately powerful now. Massive damage from the locks and mages is overwhelming. Rogues can at least hide and stun well, but Warriors just have to stand there and take it, and consequently get mowed down and laughed at. Good stuff.

 

[xboxist]

Warriors are fucked. I've been PVPing since we stopped raiding.. and planned to do so until Cata. Went into some BG's last night, and got utterly destroyed by Range/Casters classes. Bladestorm hits like a wet noodle now. I sat on a shadow priest last night with BS popped, and he just sat there giggling at me while he lit me up in three spells.

I can't even imagine playing like this until Cata comes out . I understand shit is balanced around being L85.. but this is redonk. Fury warriors are reportingly doing around Ulduar type numbers.. with fucking Shadowmournes!

Haven't tried tanking yet.. kind of scared.

You're fine if you go prot until Cata. Otherwise yeah, hard couple of months coming up for you.

 

[Scotteq]

I'm really not a huge fan of Hand of Gul'dan for Demonology... a 12s CD and it's used to refresh Immolate, which has a 15s duration... HoG also has a ~1.5s cast time for me and has a sort of slow travel time (it flies down like a meteor). I've missed refreshing Immol a few times simply because HoG was .5s off CD and I had to cast something else :\.

/agreed


HoG is... wonky to use. I'd pay good money for a Glyph that added an additional tick to Immolate. That would go a long way towards helping with HoG.

And the baztards took my beautiful, beautiful Spellstones away. Dropped me from 1200 Haste to 900. That hurts... a lot... I got a little bit back by reforging a couple pieces for Haste. But you can't reforge into a stat that's already present on your gear. So (being Dual Spec on my 'Lock) I went with Mastery when I couldn't do Haste - got just under 2% additional. I'll be regemming some, for sure.

I'm enjoying the shorter CD on Metamorphosis, tho. And overall my (Demonology) DPS went from about 6000 to around 7500 on the Dummy.

Peeps were bitching that Affliction was going to be broken, but Kukudhi went from a pre patch mid 6K on a Dummy to 8K, using no timers or add ons. Self buffed, no food or pots. Not much "broke" about that. ^_^ Just a little sad that I am the token guild DemoBuffOlogist, and don't raid as Affl.


Didn't get much of a chance to play with any of my other 80s (Prot/Fury Warrior, TankDK, and Disc/Holy Priest) Spent something like 4 hours respeccing and glyphing before bed. Didn't even touch my lower level toons.

 

[lupi]

I'd say sorry, but wrath for all about op melee classes.




Forgot to check my 80s, but on the lowbie 40 something on greens I did notice a noticeable jump in the amount of stam.

 

[jhbball]

Weird all around. Prot Warrior playstyle is kind of different now. I am entirely unimpressed with the rend spread by TClap thing, but there's nothing better so whatever.

I can't tell if I'm really laggy or what, but shield slam and revenge seem really slow. Maybe it's because the GCD doesn't show (does it?) when they're all lit up.

Also, the enemy nameplates are randomly disappearing for some reason. Not all, just like one at a time.

The only multimonitor support I see is the ability to switch the screen to your 2nd monitor.

I felt the same slight lag when trying to test shield slam last night. Also, prot does ZERO damage is pvp now. I SS a training dummy for 18k, but shield crit any plate target for 2-3k. Cloth is a 5k crit. Oh well!

 

[Malladine]

I felt the same slight lag when trying to test shield slam last night. Also, prot does ZERO damage is pvp now. I SS a training dummy for 18k, but shield crit any plate target for 2-3k. Cloth is a 5k crit. Oh well!

I crit a warlock (80) with shield slam for 10.5k yesterday...course he still blew me up but it was nice to see

 

[Aikouka]

I'm enjoying the shorter CD on Metamorphosis, tho. And overall my (Demonology) DPS went from about 6000 to around 7500 on the Dummy.

As for the talk on Immolate, they should just make Improved Immolate add a static 3 seconds (aka 1 tick) to Immolate for both 1/2 and 2/2. Although, I'm curious if I can get HoG casted a bit more efficiently.

I also didn't use meta or macro my Felguard's new specials into my main spells, so my DPS wasn't as high as it could've been. I think I was seeing around 5.8k on my lock. I was able to reforge him so he's spell hit capped now, but I still have some spirit on my gear . I took any piece of gear that did not have haste on it and reforged any stat (but hit) into haste.

Warriors are fucked. I've been PVPing since we stopped raiding.. and planned to do so until Cata.

Blizzard pretty much flat out said that PVP is going to be pretty worthless until Cataclysm because of the inflated numbers. It's unfortunate, but they aren't really considering level 80 as their goal for balanced perfection, but rather level 85.

 

[Scotteq]

As for the talk on Immolate, they should just make Improved Immolate add a static 3 seconds (aka 1 tick) to Immolate for both 1/2 and 2/2. Although, I'm curious if I can get HoG casted a bit more efficiently.

I also didn't use meta or macro my Felguard's new specials into my main spells, so my DPS wasn't as high as it could've been. I think I was seeing around 5.8k on my lock. I was able to reforge him so he's spell hit capped now, but I still have some spirit on my gear . I took any piece of gear that did not have haste on it and reforged any stat (but hit) into haste.

On the positive side - Kukudhi is hit capped from gear (..was ridiculously over for a while, but "Just About Right" now). On the Negative side, I had been stacking healing gear (SPI/Haste) for the extra Spellpower and delicious Haste. The SPI is worthless now, tho. I reforged what I could, but I'm still a few hundred Haste short of a 6~pack. Getting a DFO to drop would be a godsend. Just doesn't happen for me. But on the positive side - I'm #1 in DKP among the casters. So it's MINE when it does, because at this point I don't care how much I have to spend to get it. That'll be a big, big help for my Demo spec.

Oh - As long as the SB Debuff is on the target, Searing Pain isn't a bad filler. But WATCH YOUR THREAT! I discovered you'll piss things off FAST doing that!

Regarding my Felguard: Firstly - "May the Fleas Of a Thousand Camels Infest The Nether~Regions Of The Dev Who Changed My Demon's Names... And the Baztard who stole the Mongoose Enchant from my Warrior, too..."

Felguard Bro~Storm = ROFL :awe: Demonology is fun! I'll give it that! Need to make some new key binds

I didn't check/test - But we're supposed to be able to burn a Soul Shard to buff the summon that calls your pet, and Felguard is on the list. This is interesting since - if that buff is for the duration - there is potential to make up a lot of the difference in gains like I'm seeing with Affliction. The other thing I didn't play with is seeing whether an Infernal is worth it - didn't used to be, but...

 

[Scotteq]

Warriors are fucked. I've been PVPing since we stopped raiding.. and planned to do so until Cata. Went into some BG's last night, and got utterly destroyed by Range/Casters classes. Bladestorm hits like a wet noodle now. I sat on a shadow priest last night with BS popped, and he just sat there giggling at me while he lit me up in three spells.

I didn't think Bladestorm was particularly good on singles before the patch, save that you can't be CC'd. Now that we're in 4.1~land, I don't believe there is any reason to use Bladestorm on a single Target - ever.

As far as beating casters: The trick has always been to burn the other guy down before he can finish you off. But my Warlock is not only doing something like 20% more damage, but she also picked up almost 10K Hit Points in her PvE gear. Add a little Resilience and STA stacking on PvP gear, and I doubt that a Warrior is going to be able to burst a caster down in anything less than Best In Slot gear.

So at this stage in the game, you might want to go PvProt and work on being really, really, really annoying while your teammates do the bulk of the damage.

 

[rcpratt]

I'm also kind of disappointed with how slow Vengeance stacks and how NOT long it stays up. Even chain pulling heroics, I was never able to get it much past 50% (5% of my hp).

 

[lupi]

Seems there is a change to the global trade channel that restricts you from posting more than X times per unit of time.

The thread didn't have the specifics, but as a general BS channel it's days are done.

 

[Aikouka]

I'm just going to respond without quotes, cause handling mass quotes while typing on a phone is less than pleasant!

Yeah, I'd like to get rid of my spirit items if I can. One thing I should've considered for some of my toons... my ele shaman has a hard time finding gear from emblems, but I could've bought mp5 rings and simply retorted the spirit to haste. It's not optimal, but it beats out using ilevel 200 rings!

Does Searing Pain have a higher DPCT than Shadow Bolt for Demo? I thought that was only for Destruction. I did take the cast time reduction talent for Shadow Bolt.

One thing that's odd with Demo is how Soul Fire got nerfed as an execute move. Not only is it usable from 0-25% HP, but whenever Molten Core procs, you're supposed to use Incinerate because it will have a higher DPCT with the MC-based cast reduction.

I do miss my pet's name... his old one was Zurilkryz, which sounds Germanic and evil... also sort of like a Rammstein song . My pet's new name is something like Vazeelgoril, which reminds me too much of some feminine hygiene product .

Soul Burn makes our summon instant, but we have the talent that gives us an instant summon if our pet dies anyway ( 2 min CD of course ). I ended up taking that talent because I found the demo tree to have a surprising lack of GOOD DPS talents.

My Warlock's build is...
http://cata.wowhead.com/talent#IZIrbf0uRRdoG

I don't think he has glyphs set either as it all simply takes so long, but at least I can use up my huge surplus of ink . Getting Emberstorm would really help the problem with Soulfire being bad during Decimation with Molten Core up, but we'll have to wait for 85 for that.

I didn't think Bladestorm was particularly good on singles before the patch, save that you can't be CC'd. *Now that we're in 4.1~land, I don't believe there is any reason to use Bladestorm on a single Target - ever.

The thing is that these easy AoE moves that were decent single target DPS were nerfed into being bad for it. Whirlwind got hit, which Bladestorm is just multiple whirlwinds, so consequently, it would be bad too.

Pallies now only use Divine Storm only for AoE because it takes Holy Power to cast and it won't beat out Templar's Verdict on a single target, which also uses HP.

Edit:

Removed those pesky asterisks that Notes decided to add... I hate my phone.

 

[rcpratt]

Hey by the way, what the heck is the deal with reforging. How do you do it? Sorry I can't check any sites at work.

 

[Malladine]

The thing is that these easy AoE moves that were decent single target DPS were nerfed into being bad for it. Whirlwind got hit, which Bladestorm is just multiple whirlwinds, so consequently, it would be bad too.

Pallies now only use Divine Storm only for AoE because it takes Holy Power to cast and it won't beat out Templar's Verdict on a single target, which also uses HP.

qft

Damn it - i really enjoyed my paladin dps too. I might just go holy until cata - healing seems improved for sure, with Word of Glory and Divine Light (?). Also Flash of Light is more mana sure, but it's fast and heals 2x holy light which makes it great for pvp.

 

[rh71]

wow the water graphics are awesome... even on a "good" setting I can see ripples and waves... and when it's undisturbed it's just calm but moving.

 

[Malladine]

wow the water graphics are awesome... even on a "good" setting I can see ripples and waves... and when it's undisturbed it's just calm but moving.

Yeah looks great but they need to fix the sound effects when you're underwater or just swimming. Unless it's just me who has sound only when entering/leaving the water?

 

[Aikouka]

Hey by the way, what the heck is the deal with reforging. How do you do it? Sorry I can't check any sites at work.

There's a Reforging guy near enchanting trainers in every major city (including Dalaran). It has a custom window where you put in an ilevel 200+ item, select a stat to be reforged and what stat to make it. You can only choose non-primary stats to reforge (i.e. no strength, agility, stamina or intellect). You will lose 40% of the stat you chose to lose and gain the same amount in the other stat you chose. Another restriction is that the stat you want to reforge into cannot exist on the gear already.

So say you're hit capped on a demo lock and you want to reforge hit to haste. On a piece with crit and hit, you can do this, but on a piece with hit and haste, haste will not be an available option in the destination stat drop-down box.

Reforging costs around 10g an item and changing back to the original state is free.

 

[rcpratt]

There's a Reforging guy near enchanting trainers in every major city (including Dalaran). It has a custom window where you put in an ilevel 200+ item, select a stat to be reforged and what stat to make it. You can only choose non-primary stats to reforge (i.e. no strength, agility, stamina or intellect). You will lose 40% of the stat you chose to lose and gain the same amount in the other stat you chose. Another restriction is that the stat you want to reforge into cannot exist on the gear already.

So say you're hit capped on a demo lock and you want to reforge hit to haste. On a piece with crit and hit, you can do this, but on a piece with hit and haste, haste will not be an available option in the destination stat drop-down box.

Reforging costs around 10g an item and changing back to the original state is free.

Thanks. So I guess it's just going to be trading off hit/exp for avoidance as far as tanking goes. I can afford to drop some hit/exp, so that will be nice.

 

[rh71]

can someone explain mastery better? I've spec'd fully and mastery is grayed out. I did go train it. Does it have to do with reforging? Where do we get "points of mastery"?

 

[Josh123]

Man I wish my wife and I were moved into our house! Right now we are living with her grandparents until we close on the house we are buying and only have one PC setup. Why does it take a month to close

 

[lupi]

I noticed the water by going through some of the knee deep swampy areas in dustwallow, and it was pretty damn cool.

And the melee QQ on the forums right now is righteously intense.

 

[rh71]

Man I wish my wife and I were moved into our house! Right now we are living with her grandparents until we close on the house we are buying and only have one PC setup. Why does it take a month to close

we just went through a closing... they take a lot of time to do financial & employment verifications, title searches, COs, a survey, and there's like 3 teams waiting on each other. Picking a day to actually close is what brought us out to nearly 30 days... otherwise it would've been just 15-20. Better yet, don't borrow money.

 

[rh71]

And the melee QQ on the forums right now is righteously intense.

I haven't even had a chance to play at all... still setting up/speccing... were all melee nerfed into oblivion? I'm hearing something about pallies too. Right now they did a server restart to apply a hotfix to something no doubt.

 

[Aikouka]

One thing I noticed on my Protadin last night... our mana regen is god awful. I tested it all with the 4.5s Crusader Strike CD and I had no mana problems at all while fighting, but now with the very tight priority list, using a normal priority just demolishes my mana. I even have 2/2 Hollowed Ground to make Consecration more viable.

The problem is that Crusader Strike is 10% of our base mana, and if I remember correctly, our mana return only gives back 30% over 10 seconds. This is tied to judgement, which has a CD that long as well. During that 10 seconds, we can use 3 CS, which alone uses 30% of our base mana! This means that any other ability we use is putting us in the hole!

Thanks. So I guess it's just going to be trading off hit/exp for avoidance as far as tanking goes. I can afford to drop some hit/exp, so that will be nice.

I ended up reforging a slight amount of hit into expertise to put me at 16. The rest of the hit was changed to dodge or parry depending on which was already on the item. So I'm at about 8% hit and 26 expertise with the SoT glyph. The only thing I can't decide is whether I should have gotten mastery over dodge/parry. I have Reckoning on my Protadin and given more blocked attacks, I could possibly have a higher Reckoning uptime. But 30% mitigation vs a dodge or parry :\.

As Ret, I was able to glyph away a bunch of my excess expertise into crit or haste, which was nice.