AT or MT?

[Tristicus]

Guys, I drive a Manual.

Can I join the coolclub?

No!

 

[sdifox]

Wow when did AT get a unmoderated anything goes smackdown forum?

[Darth Vader Voice] Zenmervolt is a lot more forgiving than I am[/Darth Vader voice]

 

[zerocool84]

Oh, I see, not content to actually discuss the issue, you want to just sit back in your high chair and pout while adopting a holier than thou attitude.

That's cool, but good thing everyone else sees through it.

Discuss what? You said I'm a bitch cus you assumed I didn't drive manual. I'm not the one going around calling people pussies and bitches for driving auto. I forget though cus you're so kewl cus you drive manual. Are you 15yrs old?

 

[TehMac]

Discuss what? You said I'm a bitch cus you assumed I didn't drive manual. I'm not the one going around calling people pussies and bitches for driving auto. I forget though cus you're so kewl cus you drive manual. Are you 15yrs old?

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[zerocool84]

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OOOOOH ok I get it. You call people names who don't drive manual then try to say you're talking about the issue in the op when you say that. Just trying to understand you. I guess I don't get cool talk then.

 

[Zenmervolt]

[Darth Vader Voice] Zenmervolt is a lot more forgiving than I am[/Darth Vader voice]

Zenmervolt does not moderate in threads where he is a key participant.

Appropriate arrangements for unbiased review have been made.

ZV

 

[Locut0s]

I real man changes the gears by HAND! And I mean you move the gears individually!

 

[Andrew1990]

I bet you manual people can't drive and grope your girlfriend at the same time!!!

Anyways, I have driven stick before briefly, and although I did enjoy it, I could not live without a free hand an auto gives me.

 

[Stefan Payne]

I fucking hate automatic transmissions. Even in heavy traffic they're an absolute mess, and don't even get me started about trying to get off an exit ramp into a merging lane.

Anyone who likes automatics over manuals has never driven a manual or is a little cock sucking bitch.

Either your transmission is broken or you're broken.

Well guess what? You control when you shift with a MT, so it doesn't shift at the wrong time. Imagine fucking that. So an AT is FUCKING AWFUL. Thanks for bringing that up. I forgot to mention you cannot EVER approach 100% in a corner because you never know when your AT is going to shift.

yeah and if you're overtaking someone and are near the redline and need to shift...
Well if you're now in a curve and shift badly, your rear might want to overtake you.

And don't tell me how great manuals are, I'm German, so about 75-90% of the cars on the streets here are MT, so I know how to drive MT, but I like AT more - especially with a bigger engine.

What the fuck are you talking about?

About the Meriva I've driven that needet 1 to 2 seconds to shift and the Skoda Oktavia with DSG, wich also needed that time, but for at least 2 gears.

Kickdown = drop a gear.

Not quite but a gear more.

Some people really make me laugh when they think they're so cool cus they drive manual tranny and call people who drive auto pussies.

Actually that's the normal case, over here.

But on the other hand, most peoples don't drive well with MT, and even I sometimes forget to shift.

 

[Jzero]

Amusing antithesis to TwinsenTaquito's bizarre gripe....I can't remember how it came up, but at some point my wife clued me in that she was "shifting" her AT car by moderating gas pedal input.

Like she was accelerating hard and suddenly backed off...and I said "Why did you back off like that?" and she said "Because I was afraid the RPMs were too high, I wanted it to downshift."

 

[TwinsenTacquito]

So you're saying that you can downshift your manual faster than an automatic kicks down?

Or are you somehow trying to make the patently absurd claim that the split-second it takes for an automatic to kick down is sufficiently long to make the difference between you causing an accident by cutting someone off because you couldn't anticipate a merge point?

Even if you're trying to compare the difference in time between an automatic kicking down and accelerating and accelerating when you're already in the lower gear because you've been holding that gear, the difference is so incredibly small that it cannot ever be sufficient for it to cause the issued you are claiming.

In short, it is the bad carpenter who blames his tools.

ZV

I didn't get past the first sentence, because you put words into my mouth in an obvious manner that changed what I was saying.

I'm saying if I give it gas in an automatic, in can shift before accelerating. Apparently that's not true. But you all know it is, you just want to change the subject and pretend I said something else. Trolls.

 

[TwinsenTacquito]

:thumbsup:

So you're saying that tacos eat elephants?

 

[LTC8K6]

I didn't get past the first sentence, because you put words into my mouth in an obvious manner that changed what I was saying.

I'm saying if I give it gas in an automatic, in can shift before accelerating. Apparently that's not true. But you all know it is, you just want to change the subject and pretend I said something else. Trolls.

I've driven lots of different autos, 3 speed, 4 speed, 5 speed, manumatic, FWD,RWD,AWD, etc., and a few manuals, and I really cannot figure out what you mean regarding an auto trans in your previous few comments.

There's only one auto trans that I can recall that did not behave properly when I put the boot to it or didn't put the boot to it. It was an old Tempo, 1984 I think, and it had a kickdown cable problem. It would not kick down when you wanted to go. It literally did almost nothing for many seconds when you floored it to pass or merge.

 

[Zenmervolt]

I'm saying if I give it gas in an automatic, in can shift before accelerating.

Which is exactly what I said in my first post. The only logical conclusion that can be made here is that you have difficulties with reading comprehension.

ZV

 

[KIAman]

I've been only driving a manual since I've been driving. Only 3 years ago, I purchased automatic cars. In my humble opinion, a manual is wasted on a non-sports-car daily driver. The VAST majority of people will NEVER track their cars and the benefits of a manual can't be realized on public roads, ever.

Now, if you get pleasure from rowing the gears 2-10% of your daily, public-road commute, then power to you. If you're like me, who has exclusively driven manual his entire life and see it as more of a hindrance for a daily driver, you go automatic.

If I ever decide to get a weekend car, I would definitely get a light, sporty manual, something like an S2000 or a Miata. But only for the weekends. My daily driver will remain as my plush, comfy, sporty, BMW 3.

Edit: I forgot to include my point of this post. The point is, it's not black or white, all or nothing affair. It simply depends on the application. Plenty of people who post manual also drive autos and vice versa. I doubt anybody is exclusive. And really, OP, if you are a first time driver and aspiring to become a Valet Attendant or a Race Car Driver, start learning Manual now.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I have only ever owned one car with an automatic, a V6 Accord and I disliked it. My manual cars have included a 1984 Toyota SR5 wagon, a 1984 Accord, a 1999 Acura Integra GSR, a 2001 Nissan Maxima, and my current 2006 BMW 330i. I'll continue to buy manual cars as long as they keep making them.

 

[sdifox]

Zenmervolt does not moderate in threads where he is a key participant.

Appropriate arrangements for unbiased review have been made.

ZV

Can I borrow the banstick for a second? I promise I WILL abuse the power.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I've been only driving a manual since I've been driving. Only 3 years ago, I purchased automatic cars. In my humble opinion, a manual is wasted on a non-sports-car daily driver. The VAST majority of people will NEVER track their cars and the benefits of a manual can't be realized on public roads, ever.

Now, if you get pleasure from rowing the gears 2-10% of your daily, public-road commute, then power to you. If you're like me, who has exclusively driven manual his entire life and see it as more of a hindrance for a daily driver, you go automatic.

If I ever decide to get a weekend car, I would definitely get a light, sporty manual, something like an S2000 or a Miata. But only for the weekends. My daily driver will remain as my plush, comfy, sporty, BMW 3.

This really depends on what you consider the "benefits of a manual" to be. To me the greatest benefit is the pleasure of driving one, in terms of the control it provides and the satisfaction of completing a perfect shift. I would argue that if anything a manual is more advantageous on public roads than on a track, where a modern automatic and particularly a DCG or SMG will pretty much always be faster than a traditional manual. (And for what it's worth I am one 3 series owner who does take his car to the track from time to time.)

 

[TwinsenTacquito]

Which is exactly what I said in my first post. The only logical conclusion that can be made here is that you have difficulties with reading comprehension.

ZV

No, it isn't. You're lying.

 

[TwinsenTacquito]

I've driven lots of different autos, 3 speed, 4 speed, 5 speed, manumatic, FWD,RWD,AWD, etc., and a few manuals, and I really cannot figure out what you mean regarding an auto trans in your previous few comments.

Then you are purposely trying not to.

Ok, with a manual, you give it gas and it accelerates. Magic.

With an automatic, you give it gas and it decides to either
A: accelerate in gear
B: downshift, and then accelerate in that gear

But no, that never happens. I made it up. I'm a bullshit artist. Automatic transmissions make your car grow wings and read your mind and fly your car wherever you want without you even putting in any input. Every downside that they have they secretly don't have, because fairydust.

 

[KIAman]

This really depends on what you consider the "benefits of a manual" to be. To me the greatest benefit is the pleasure of driving one, in terms of the control it provides and the satisfaction of completing a perfect shift. I would argue that if anything a manual is more advantageous on public roads than on a track, where a modern automatic and particularly a DCG or SMG will pretty much always be faster than a traditional manual. (And for what it's worth I am one 3 series owner who does take his car to the track from time to time.)

Which is defined in my second paragraph, where I stated if one enjoys manually rowing gears throughout the 2-10% of your daily commute, then that enjoyment is a benefit.

Curious, why would a manual be more advantageous on public roads?

No, it isn't. You're lying.

No you! I just had this discussion with my toddler this morning.

 

[KIAman]

Then you are purposely trying not to.

Ok, with a manual, you give it gas and it accelerates. Magic.

With an automatic, you give it gas and it decides to either
A: accelerate in gear
B: downshift, and then accelerate in that gear

But no, that never happens. I made it up. I'm a bullshit artist. Automatic transmissions make your car grow wings and read your mind and fly your car wherever you want without you even putting in any input. Every downside that they have they secretly don't have, because fairydust.

I am just amazed you post more troll content then actual content in your posts.

If an automatic decides to accelerate in gear or downshift then accelerate, what does that matter? You lost a whole 1/4 second on the downshift and now accelerating faster than if left in the previous gear. Also, I believe you missed a key point in the entire discussion about this whole deal. Floor it aka pedal to the medal. In most automatics, except for a few exceptions (redlining, or in 1st gear), this will trigger a gear change.

 

[Jzero]

With an automatic, you give it gas and it decides to either
A: accelerate in gear
B: downshift, and then accelerate in that gear.

Neither of these options is "decelerate" which is what you claimed happened to you, almost causing two accidents???

 

[mb]

Neither of these options is "decelerate" which is what you claimed happened to you, almost causing two accidents???

Yes they do! You lie!


Seriously.. TwinsenTacquito has to be fleabag..

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Which is defined in my second paragraph, where I stated if one enjoys manually rowing gears throughout the 2-10% of your daily commute, then that enjoyment is a benefit.

Curious, why would a manual be more advantageous on public roads?

As I said, I consider the primary benefit of a manual to be that it's more fun to drive. In terms of pure speed on a track, an automatic/SMG/DCG is likely to be faster and eliminates the risk of a missed or botched shift, and hence is probably preferable from a sheer performance perspective.

I take exception to the idea that one can only enjoy a manual transmission during one's daily commute. I really enjoy driving my 330i and it's a blast to take on a weekend drive on winding country roads. That, not on my commute, is where the manual really shines. You seem to be taking the view that cars are only used as either mundane daily transportation, or as trackday tools, with nothing in between. That certainly isn't my experience, and honestly it strikes me as odd that someone with that perspective would bother to drive a BMW.