MrK6
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Wait, what happened to smoothness being so awesome? I thought "slow and smoooooothhhh" was the way to go now? :awe:
Great find. I'm not surprised it's varying from situation to situation, as there's more going on here than just cards and drivers that impact the end result. It's clearly not vendor-specific despite nvidia fanboys foaming at the mouth for it to be so. Like I said earlier, I think an in-depth investigation with some great recording equipment will facilitate appreciating the end-result, which really is the interest here.
cmdrdredd
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Um...did you even read what I said? You guys need to stop with your crap. You don't even read what people type, you just make up what you want it to say.
Didn't you see what game I mentioned? Didn't you see the specific I mentioned? No? You're blind then?
This is seriously getting ridiculous.
Didn't you see what game I mentioned? Didn't you see the specific I mentioned? No? You're blind then?
This is seriously getting ridiculous.
chimaxi83
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This entire thread is ridiculous, and should've been handled in pm seeing as it was just a question to Ryan anyway. But nah, make a public thread even though OP knew with 110% certainty that it was just going to be a flame fest
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This entire thread is ridiculous, and should've been handled in pm seeing as it was just a question to Ryan anyway. But nah, make a public thread even though OP knew with 110% certainty that it was just going to be a flame fest
I did PM Ryan so he would see the thread and the forum members desire to see an investigation. Hopefully, Ryan is looking into acquiring the "tools" he wants to do just that. And Chimaxi, there's barely a thread in this sub-forum that doesn't turn into a flame fest. So nothing is really new. So roll those eyes till they fall out bud.
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It sounds to me that its really not on his priority list because 1) He mentioned some members are over dramatic about the issue. 2) He only posted once.
Most of these issues aren't concrete enough to make a big deal of and if it impacted game experience, reviewers would point this out more often. Im using 12.11 beta r8 still and every game (besides skyrim) is butter smooth just like my gtx670 was.
Most of these issues aren't concrete enough to make a big deal of and if it impacted game experience, reviewers would point this out more often. Im using 12.11 beta r8 still and every game (besides skyrim) is butter smooth just like my gtx670 was.
Nope, I'm not saying this, you are. It's just more idle speculation on your part.
Still waiting for your data to show that latency got worse with 12.8. These attempts at distractions are cute but transparent.
Which still says nothing about latency getting worse with 12.8 versus older drivers, or latency getting worse in connection with improved frame rates. Seems like I was right not to bother wasting my time.
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Look at http://techreport.com/review/24022/does-the-radeon-hd-7950-stumble-in-windows-8/9, you can see that nothing much has changed from 12.7 beta to 12.11 beta drivers. There were some minor slowdowns, but without knowing what sort of run to run variation they get with their testing it's hard to say if it is significant. The interesting part is that the FPS and 99th percentile track pretty well (in opposite directions) which is exactly the opposite of what was claimed earlier about sacrificing latency for FPS.
Again, more evidence that this whole "AMD is sacrificing smoothness for FPS in newer drivers" nonsense has nothing to do with what the actual testing has shown.
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SirPauly
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I can save you a whole lot of work.
AMD drivers SUCK. They always have and always will.
Nvidia may cost a little more but its worth it every time.
AMD drivers SUCK. They always have and always will.
Nvidia may cost a little more but its worth it every time.
Then you have obviously never tried to run an AMD Cross fire setup.
Half the games dont in CF work for a long time after release. The drivers are basically Beta forever.
The stuttering is just another AMD screw up of its drivers.
To Fx1,
Nvidia drivers suck. If you are writing a HLSL program that uses a 32 bit color format (RGBA) and you specify the R G and B, but leave the A blank. Nvidia will default it to 255. Typically in programming (like C) if you leave a variable blank it defaults to whatever is in memory, and in the case of basic languages, defaults to 0.
So Nvidia drivers suck because it can't get this right.
(whistles a tune)
Nvidia drivers suck. If you are writing a HLSL program that uses a 32 bit color format (RGBA) and you specify the R G and B, but leave the A blank. Nvidia will default it to 255. Typically in programming (like C) if you leave a variable blank it defaults to whatever is in memory, and in the case of basic languages, defaults to 0.
So Nvidia drivers suck because it can't get this right.
(whistles a tune)
^^ Did you try leaving your whole code empty, and seeing if Nvidia driver figures wth you want with it?
:hmm:
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Hence the word, "SPECULATION".
I'm speculating that the drivers got worse at 12.8 because I have no data on 12.7. So, I'm actually giving AMD the benefit of the doubt that the drivers were fine before 12.8. So, I'm not going to just sit here and say what makes you happy. Deal.
Sorry.
i plug in my GPU set the settings to SLI
And Guess What?
IT WORKS.
Good luck with AMD because i can tell you now its never as simple about 3 threads on this very forum prove my point
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Hence the word, "SPECULATION".
I'm speculating that the drivers got worse at 12.8 because I have no data on 12.7.
Oh well, I guess we got to the truth eventually. What a difference a day makes.
Aristotelian
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I have had identically positive crossfire experiences as I have had with SLI experiences. Who are you to say 'never' - have you tried hundreds of thousands of crossfire setups? No, I didn't think so. Extrapolating from a few threads to a universal is just absurd.
On the topic of the thread, and to get away from this camp-bashing nonsense, I would be one of the posters interested in seeing a factual and objective analysis done. If it is an incentive to AT, I think offering such an analysis would bring an enormous number of page hits to the website, so perhaps investing in the hardware may be offset at a reasonable stage.
I think just about the whole world knows AMD driver validation and performance is subpar and has been for ever.
You only need to understand how much money nvidia spends on driver development compared to AMD to understand why.
AMD used to be far cheaper than nvidia and people put up with sloppy drivers. Then AMD got big for its boots when they came out on top one year and their prices have rocketed but their drivers still suck.
i have owned both makers cards and consistently AMD is worse.
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You have this data? Can you please provide us with this info if you have it?
Have you only bought discrete cards after G80 came out? That would be the only explanation for that comment because there have been many times where AMD/ATI has had more expensive cards than nVidia ones...going all the way back to the 9700pro days IIRC.
Again, you only started buying discrete cards after G80? AMD/ATI has been on top more than just one year even after G80 came out.
Guess ATF got the replacement Wreckage back from RMA... :\
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chimaxi83
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