Asking Ryan Smith of AT if a special examination could be done?

[Keysplayr]

When the 12.11's came out you speculated that the performance increase over 12.8 was because they were cheating. Originally you suggested it might be with AA. After the TR results you suggested they gave up smoothness for performance.

Now you want to go all the way back to the 6970? If we do, then taking TR's results, the 6970 stuttered worse than the 7950 and the 570 would have triggered epileptic fits.

Errmm. Going back to 6970 was actually a joke.

Ok bud, here is what I think.
AMD first started the fps campaign with possibly the 12.8s, introducing higher framerates over previous drivers but also introducing more severe hitching and stuttering/latency. It worked. Nobody picked up on it then. Accept maybe for Wasson. So before Wasson could finish his review, Intel calls Wasson and says "You can publish that NUC article anytime you want", and Wasson says, "Oh crap I have to finish it". Goes to finish it and publishes it. But, by that time, AMD announced the Never Settle driver beta and so Wasson tossed out all the 12.8 data. New Nvidia driver also by that time.
And it is possible, that AMD went even further with the same kind of optimizations to boost fps dramatically (and it was dramatic) and sacrificing the same latency as the 12.8s did.

I'm sure you didn't listen to the Podcast but all this information is there for you to hear.

You can try to look for discrepancies in my speculations from 12.8s to 12.11's forever. You won't find much as I've always maintained this opinion.
You are right though. Originally I DID suspect something was afoul when AMD's driver so dramatically boosted framerates and I speculated about it.
You probably took it as me posting a fact I'd imagine. Just as you thought I was literally saying we should go back to the 6970. Sheesh.

So that's my story dude. Take it or leave it. I just don't care. :|

 

[NIGELG]

Lol....at this train wreck of a thread.


Wasson is not infallible as is anybody else.When or if many other sites say there are issues then I'll believe it.Otherwise it's just the campaigning of Nvidia marketers.

 

[ICDP]

I tried my tests on 12.7 and 12.11 and saw similar results in Skyrim. Admitedly it is only one game but it still goes against your wild speculations. You are really reaching if you are claiming every single review site on the internet and every single AMD HD 7xx0 GPU owner missed this obvious ploy/con from AMD. It seems everyone but TR and a select band of enlightened individuals are part of a massive conspiracy. Maybe AMD assassinated President Kennedy and are testing their new GPU drivers at area 51

 

[Homeles]

Lol....at this train wreck of a thread.


Wasson is not infallible as is anybody else.When or if many other sites say there are issuesi then I'll believe it.Otherwise it's just the campaigning of Nvidia marketers.

Hooray for inane conspiracy theories, devoid of any logic.

 

[NIGELG]

Hooray for inane conspiracy theories, devoid of any logic.

Hooray for those who believe any thing on the internet without conclusive evidence.

 

[Keysplayr]

Hooray for those who believe any thing on the internet without conclusive evidence.

You're right NIGEL. So tell me what would you consider conclusive evidence?
How many review sites (and which ones would you accept) will it take if they find the same results? 11? 12? All of them? What if only 1 disagrees? Will you take their word over all the others? I suppose we will find out the answers to these questions. Until then, I'll agree with you that there isn't enough info to condemn anyone at this point. Fair enough?

 

[NIGELG]

You're right NIGEL. So tell me what would you consider conclusive evidence?
How many review sites (and which ones would you accept) will it take if they find the same results? 11? 12? All of them? What if only 1 disagrees? Will you take their word over all the others? I suppose we will find out the answers to these questions. Until then, I'll agree with you that there isn't enough info to condemn anyone at this point. Fair enough?

The overwhelming majority of review sites must concur.

 

[Revolution 11]

To start with, I would like to see a common test scenario in at least one game that are commonly tested on at least one more independent and separate site.

I think micro-stutter is a real problem that few review sites pay attention to but when specific claims are made, at least one other person has to back them up.

 

[thilanliyan]

Testing should be done on more than ONE game...I'd say 5-7 games.

 

[Rvenger]

(and I don't think they can, but that is just my speculation)

If you would leave comments like these out then others wouldn't accuse you of your strong bias towards Nvidia.

 

[Keysplayr]

If you would leave comments like these out then others wouldn't accuse you of your strong bias towards Nvidia.

What do you mean? I have a strong bias towards Nvidia.

It's like they discover this anew every conversation we have.

 

[DarkKnightDude]

Testing should be done on more than ONE game...I'd say 5-7 games.

Agree, Skyrim is bugged as hell. I gave up on trying to make it work properly with my 560 and just uninstalled it.

If there was a problem you'd think the majority of everyone would have noticed by now.

 

[Keysplayr]

Yes. 5-7 of the best selling games or most popular.

 

[AnandThenMan]

What do you mean? I have a strong bias towards Nvidia.

And we take that into consideration when you start threads like this one.

 

[3DVagabond]

What do you mean? I have a strong bias towards Nvidia.

We all have biases. I don't hold the bias or motivation accountable for the topic. That's irrelevant.

An AMD fan could have posted this same topic and instead of embracing it, thought it was a bunch of BS. It still would have been the same topic, and likely had similar follow up posts.

 

[Keysplayr]

Probably. Listen, I suspect if there weren't the initial barrage of thread crapping then I'd be a lot more receptive to your skepticism.

 

[Keysplayr]

And we take that into consideration when you start threads like this one.

We?

 

[Whitestar127]

All this doesn't matter anyway, because Friday is the end of the world.

 

[NIGELG]

All this doesn't matter anyway, because Friday is the end of the world.

Yep....I guess I'll never own a 7970 then.Never play Half Life 3...etc.

 

[NIGELG]

We?

Come on just say that you think ''we'' means ''AMD's organized hidden viral shills''.

Don't you think so?

Has Ryan Smith indicated if he is going to do this investigation?

 

[BrightCandle]

Come on just say that you think ''we'' means ''AMD's organized hidden viral shills''.

Don't you think so?

Has Ryan Smith indicated if he is going to do this investigation?

He already said he would not. Anandtech is not going to investigate. They have bad mouthed tech report in the process as well, so its fair to say they think its all lies.

From my very first experience with a pair of 7970s, in single cards as well as dual, I had severe microstutter and after exhausting amd support after 6 months in desperation I emailed anandtech to ask if they saw similar problems and knew how to make them work better. I even had stuttering in windows and AMD had not exactly proved helpful with my support ticket. I did get an email from Anandtech saying they would look into it but never heard back. I removed the cards, bought Nvidia and haven't had the same problem. I can't imagine Anandtech investigating it now, the story was already broken by another site and they don't think there is a problem.

We have been hearing this same story throughout the year in these forums and we have plethora of ways to alleviate the problem that sometimes work. We see it being reported on both vendors cards and more and more on single as well as dual setups. I guess none of Anandtechs staff can perceive microstutter. Either that or its caused by a bug that only manifests on some hardware setups (but I will admit I can't see a pattern in all the reports). Why does my machine hate 7970s but work part perfectly with 680s? Yet I know of people finding the exact opposite to be true. Something fishy is going on for a minority of perfectly decent rigs and we do need to work out what as a community.

I don't know how to get the vendors or the review sites to take this seriously. We have a tonne of high speed video, and now objective data and method for showing the problem and its still kind of being ignored.

If you have this problem with £1000 worth of graphics cards let me tell you that you will be very pissed off when someone tells you it doesn't exist or the vendor won't help you fix it. Nothing breaks the new shiny wow effect like microstutter and periodic jitters with very long frame times. You expected to be playing 5760x1200 in the latest game and instead you can't drag windows around on the desktop without the GPU stuttering and games are mostly unplayable.

Anandtech, Ryan, I am disappointed with this response, with ssds you really have excelled, but with GPUs you aren't doing enough and I no longer trust your GPU reviews. You had me buy a lemon.

 

[NIGELG]

He already said he would not. Anandtech is not going to investigate. They have bad mouthed tech report in the process as well, so its fair to say they think its all lies.

Where and when did they say that?

 

[SirPauly]

He already said he would not. Anandtech is not going to investigate.

They never said such thing:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34333817&postcount=35

This is something we will eventually look at, but as I've mentioned before it's not something I want to do until I have the right tools (which I am expecting sooner than later).

They have bad mouthed tech report in the process as well

Scott has done an amazing job with FRAPS

I've known @scottwasson for a while and I've never known him to be biased in his GPU coverage

https://twitter.com/anandshimpi

 

[Keysplayr]

I would really love xbit to dig into this.
Ryan didnt say he wouldn't do it. However he did imply that he didnt think it was a big deal. They'll most likely dig into it after it has been fixed with newer drivers.

 

[KCfromNC]

Ok bud, here is what I think.
AMD first started the fps campaign with possibly the 12.8s, introducing higher framerates over previous drivers but also introducing more severe hitching and stuttering/latency.

Which "accredited" review site did you get this information from?