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Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: axiom
Well it's either abortion or it's murder. So either Bush is supporting the children or he is supporting "murderers". When does science say a fetus is a life?
Yeah this from an asshat who wishes Authors whom he disgrees with would be killed!

 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: axiom
Nope, I am not high. My Iraqi neighbor just happens to be an American and he's pretty proud of it. Been working his ass off since he came to America trying to get the rest of his family here. You see, he's got first hand experience as to how retarded Saddam is.

So is he Iraki or American?

Saddam is nobody's hero, but if someone is going to overthrow him, it has to be the Irakis...

And how are they going to do that exactly? the 10.000 richest people over there have ALL the guns, weapons and economic power and they want Saddam there in power since he directly benefits them though subjuation of the iraki people. Just like in SA with the royal family a revolution is an impossiblity without outside intervention.

Remember Russia? A few years before that happened, nobody believed it could have been done...

If you are going to help overthrow Saddam, that should be done by supporting the opposition...


And how many poeple are we going to stand by and let him kill and threaten and beat? Russia had nukes little we could do to intervene in that case. They are still in recovery too and guess who's paying for it. We are IMF probably for another 15 years.
 

SnapIT

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Originally posted by: axiom
Well it's either abortion or it's murder. So either Bush is supporting the children or he is supporting "murderers". When does science say a fetus is a life?

I think i will go discuss this with my cat, i'm sure i would get more intelligent responses...
 

SnapIT

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Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: axiom
Nope, I am not high. My Iraqi neighbor just happens to be an American and he's pretty proud of it. Been working his ass off since he came to America trying to get the rest of his family here. You see, he's got first hand experience as to how retarded Saddam is.

So is he Iraki or American?

Saddam is nobody's hero, but if someone is going to overthrow him, it has to be the Irakis...

And how are they going to do that exactly? the 10.000 richest people over there have ALL the guns, weapons and economic power and they want Saddam there in power since he directly benefits them though subjuation of the iraki people. Just like in SA with the royal family a revolution is an impossiblity without outside intervention.

Remember Russia? A few years before that happened, nobody believed it could have been done...

If you are going to help overthrow Saddam, that should be done by supporting the opposition...


And how many poeple are we going to stand by and let him kill and threaten and beat? Russia had nukes little we could do to intervene in that case. They are still in recovery too and guess who's paying for it. We are IMF probably for another 15 years.

Let me tell you this, the people of Irak will not see US as the great savior if that is what you think, they will see the war as another act of "the great satan"...

Let's stop pretending that this war is for the sake of the Irakis...
 

43st

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Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: Thera

Sounds good to me. You want to ban things that hurt or kill people, I'm right with you. Let's make a list of things that we need to ban because they can hurt or kill someone...

1. ban beer/liquor
2. ban guns
3. ban cigarettes
4. ban sharp things

Oh... I bet you're going to say that these items are ok and that it's up the individual to use them properly? Like abortion right?

Nice try toolina but those are separate issues. The person buying a gun, liquor, cigarettes, etc, etc, does so due to personal choice. Use the gun to kill yourself and that's fine. Get drunk and run off the road and die and that's fine to. Smoke to many cigarettes, get lung cancer then die, that's fine to. Have sex, end up with a kid, decide it's a burden so you kill it, well that's not fine. What's the difference? The unborn child never had the choice to make a live or die decision. You see the difference is that with guns, liquor, smokes, fatty foods, etc... is that you get to chose how you live and die. Have an abortion and you have decided how someone else dies. Kinda like murder you know.....

1. The victim of a druck driver never has choice.
2. The victim of a shooting never has a choice.
3. The victim of cancer does have a choice.
4. The victim of a stabbing doesn't have a choice.

And...

5. The victim of an abortion never has a choice.

But you want to protect the unborn child but none of the others right? Explain that.
 

SnapIT

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Originally posted by: Thera
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: Thera

Sounds good to me. You want to ban things that hurt or kill people, I'm right with you. Let's make a list of things that we need to ban because they can hurt or kill someone...

1. ban beer/liquor
2. ban guns
3. ban cigarettes
4. ban sharp things

Oh... I bet you're going to say that these items are ok and that it's up the individual to use them properly? Like abortion right?

Nice try toolina but those are separate issues. The person buying a gun, liquor, cigarettes, etc, etc, does so due to personal choice. Use the gun to kill yourself and that's fine. Get drunk and run off the road and die and that's fine to. Smoke to many cigarettes, get lung cancer then die, that's fine to. Have sex, end up with a kid, decide it's a burden so you kill it, well that's not fine. What's the difference? The unborn child never had the choice to make a live or die decision. You see the difference is that with guns, liquor, smokes, fatty foods, etc... is that you get to chose how you live and die. Have an abortion and you have decided how someone else dies. Kinda like murder you know.....

1. The victim of a druck driver never has choice.
2. The victim of a shooting never has a choice.
3. The victim of cancer does have a choice.
4. The victim of a stabbing doesn't have a choice.

And...

5. The victim of an abortion never has a choice.

But you want to protect the unborn child but none of the others right? Explain that.

I thought there were laws against 1, 2 and 4? :confused:
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: axiom
Nope, I am not high. My Iraqi neighbor just happens to be an American and he's pretty proud of it. Been working his ass off since he came to America trying to get the rest of his family here. You see, he's got first hand experience as to how retarded Saddam is.

So is he Iraki or American?

Saddam is nobody's hero, but if someone is going to overthrow him, it has to be the Irakis...

And how are they going to do that exactly? the 10.000 richest people over there have ALL the guns, weapons and economic power and they want Saddam there in power since he directly benefits them though subjuation of the iraki people. Just like in SA with the royal family a revolution is an impossiblity without outside intervention.

Remember Russia? A few years before that happened, nobody believed it could have been done...

If you are going to help overthrow Saddam, that should be done by supporting the opposition...


And how many poeple are we going to stand by and let him kill and threaten and beat? Russia had nukes little we could do to intervene in that case. They are still in recovery too and guess who's paying for it. We are IMF probably for another 15 years.

Let me tell you this, the people of Irak will not see US as the great savior if that is what you think, they will see the war as another act of "the great satan"...

Let's stop pretending that this war is for the sake of the Irakis...

I'm not pretending anything. Afganis were grateful and so would your common iraki for US intervention. They have a Looong history of westernization and secularism before Saddam went nuts which is also in our favor. If anyones pretending it's those who think a revolution is possible for such a oil rich country under Saddam. Guess it's one of the agree to disagree. Fortunatly I'll be proven right after Febuary.

 

shiner

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Thera
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: Thera

Sounds good to me. You want to ban things that hurt or kill people, I'm right with you. Let's make a list of things that we need to ban because they can hurt or kill someone...

1. ban beer/liquor
2. ban guns
3. ban cigarettes
4. ban sharp things

Oh... I bet you're going to say that these items are ok and that it's up the individual to use them properly? Like abortion right?

Nice try toolina but those are separate issues. The person buying a gun, liquor, cigarettes, etc, etc, does so due to personal choice. Use the gun to kill yourself and that's fine. Get drunk and run off the road and die and that's fine to. Smoke to many cigarettes, get lung cancer then die, that's fine to. Have sex, end up with a kid, decide it's a burden so you kill it, well that's not fine. What's the difference? The unborn child never had the choice to make a live or die decision. You see the difference is that with guns, liquor, smokes, fatty foods, etc... is that you get to chose how you live and die. Have an abortion and you have decided how someone else dies. Kinda like murder you know.....

1. The victim of a druck driver never has choice.
2. The victim of a shooting never has a choice.
3. The victim of cancer does have a choice.
4. The victim of a stabbing doesn't have a choice.

And...

5. The victim of an abortion never has a choice.

But you want to protect the unborn child but none of the others right? Explain that.
I'm all for protecting those other people, there is a difference though because the acts against them go against societal norms and would land the culprit in jail, but not at the expense of law abiding citizens. Just because someone owns a gun/knife, or has a few drinks doesn't mean they are going to kill someone. Abortion is murder every time, premeditated murder in fact. Tell me this. Why is ok to murder a child before it's passed through the vaginal canal, but it's not ok to murder it after it's outside?
 

SnapIT

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Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: axiom
Nope, I am not high. My Iraqi neighbor just happens to be an American and he's pretty proud of it. Been working his ass off since he came to America trying to get the rest of his family here. You see, he's got first hand experience as to how retarded Saddam is.

So is he Iraki or American?

Saddam is nobody's hero, but if someone is going to overthrow him, it has to be the Irakis...

And how are they going to do that exactly? the 10.000 richest people over there have ALL the guns, weapons and economic power and they want Saddam there in power since he directly benefits them though subjuation of the iraki people. Just like in SA with the royal family a revolution is an impossiblity without outside intervention.

Remember Russia? A few years before that happened, nobody believed it could have been done...

If you are going to help overthrow Saddam, that should be done by supporting the opposition...


And how many poeple are we going to stand by and let him kill and threaten and beat? Russia had nukes little we could do to intervene in that case. They are still in recovery too and guess who's paying for it. We are IMF probably for another 15 years.

Let me tell you this, the people of Irak will not see US as the great savior if that is what you think, they will see the war as another act of "the great satan"...

Let's stop pretending that this war is for the sake of the Irakis...

I'm not pretending anything. Afganis were grateful and so would your common iraki for US intervention. They have a Looong history of westernization and secularism before Saddam went nuts which is also in our favor. If anyones pretending it's those who think a revolution is possible for such a oil rich country under Saddam. Guess it's one of the agree to disagree. Fortunatly I'll be proven right after Febuary.

LOL it's the old sandbox argumentation "you have your opinion, i have mine, that is all good, but i am right" huh? We'll see when the time comes... :)
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: axiom
Nope, I am not high. My Iraqi neighbor just happens to be an American and he's pretty proud of it. Been working his ass off since he came to America trying to get the rest of his family here. You see, he's got first hand experience as to how retarded Saddam is.

So is he Iraki or American?

Saddam is nobody's hero, but if someone is going to overthrow him, it has to be the Irakis...

And how are they going to do that exactly? the 10.000 richest people over there have ALL the guns, weapons and economic power and they want Saddam there in power since he directly benefits them though subjuation of the iraki people. Just like in SA with the royal family a revolution is an impossiblity without outside intervention.

Remember Russia? A few years before that happened, nobody believed it could have been done...

If you are going to help overthrow Saddam, that should be done by supporting the opposition...


And how many poeple are we going to stand by and let him kill and threaten and beat? Russia had nukes little we could do to intervene in that case. They are still in recovery too and guess who's paying for it. We are IMF probably for another 15 years.

Let me tell you this, the people of Irak will not see US as the great savior if that is what you think, they will see the war as another act of "the great satan"...

Let's stop pretending that this war is for the sake of the Irakis...

I'm not pretending anything. Afganis were grateful and so would your common iraki for US intervention. They have a Looong history of westernization and secularism before Saddam went nuts which is also in our favor. If anyones pretending it's those who think a revolution is possible for such a oil rich country under Saddam. Guess it's one of the agree to disagree. Fortunatly I'll be proven right after Febuary.

LOL it's the old sandbox argumentation "you have your opinion, i have mine, that is all good, but i am right" huh? We'll see when the time comes... :)
You were boring me plus said I was pretending...I lost intrest:)

 

Zebo

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Hehe cool at least we're screwing up this thread for those whiners who like compartmentalization.
 

SnapIT

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Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: axiom
Nope, I am not high. My Iraqi neighbor just happens to be an American and he's pretty proud of it. Been working his ass off since he came to America trying to get the rest of his family here. You see, he's got first hand experience as to how retarded Saddam is.

So is he Iraki or American?

Saddam is nobody's hero, but if someone is going to overthrow him, it has to be the Irakis...

And how are they going to do that exactly? the 10.000 richest people over there have ALL the guns, weapons and economic power and they want Saddam there in power since he directly benefits them though subjuation of the iraki people. Just like in SA with the royal family a revolution is an impossiblity without outside intervention.

Remember Russia? A few years before that happened, nobody believed it could have been done...

If you are going to help overthrow Saddam, that should be done by supporting the opposition...


And how many poeple are we going to stand by and let him kill and threaten and beat? Russia had nukes little we could do to intervene in that case. They are still in recovery too and guess who's paying for it. We are IMF probably for another 15 years.

Let me tell you this, the people of Irak will not see US as the great savior if that is what you think, they will see the war as another act of "the great satan"...

Let's stop pretending that this war is for the sake of the Irakis...

I'm not pretending anything. Afganis were grateful and so would your common iraki for US intervention. They have a Looong history of westernization and secularism before Saddam went nuts which is also in our favor. If anyones pretending it's those who think a revolution is possible for such a oil rich country under Saddam. Guess it's one of the agree to disagree. Fortunatly I'll be proven right after Febuary.

LOL it's the old sandbox argumentation "you have your opinion, i have mine, that is all good, but i am right" huh? We'll see when the time comes... :)
You were boring me plus said I was pretending...I lost intrest:)

You lost interest in me? :(
 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: Millennium
Originally posted by: BoberFett
I like the caption below his picture.

Bush: "Every child is a priority and a blessing.*"

* Unless it's your son between the ages of 18 and 25.

:p

Because we are going to have a draft....
rolleye.gif

Guess this means the population of Canada will go up again as all the liberals and cowards flee. Bout time for Canada's Prime Minister to shut the doors isn't it?

Saddam is nobody's hero, but if someone is going to overthrow him, it has to be the Iraqis..
If an Iraqi speaks out against Hussein, him and his family are killed...
a bunch of starving hungry people who fear getting killed vs a bunch of people in tanks with automatic weapons and missiles...

Jeee...Alex I will take A$$ Whooping for 2000.
 

43st

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Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: Thera
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: Thera

Sounds good to me. You want to ban things that hurt or kill people, I'm right with you. Let's make a list of things that we need to ban because they can hurt or kill someone...

1. ban beer/liquor
2. ban guns
3. ban cigarettes
4. ban sharp things

Oh... I bet you're going to say that these items are ok and that it's up the individual to use them properly? Like abortion right?

Nice try toolina but those are separate issues. The person buying a gun, liquor, cigarettes, etc, etc, does so due to personal choice. Use the gun to kill yourself and that's fine. Get drunk and run off the road and die and that's fine to. Smoke to many cigarettes, get lung cancer then die, that's fine to. Have sex, end up with a kid, decide it's a burden so you kill it, well that's not fine. What's the difference? The unborn child never had the choice to make a live or die decision. You see the difference is that with guns, liquor, smokes, fatty foods, etc... is that you get to chose how you live and die. Have an abortion and you have decided how someone else dies. Kinda like murder you know.....

1. The victim of a druck driver never has choice.
2. The victim of a shooting never has a choice.
3. The victim of cancer does have a choice.
4. The victim of a stabbing doesn't have a choice.

And...

5. The victim of an abortion never has a choice.

But you want to protect the unborn child but none of the others right? Explain that.
I'm all for protecting those other people, there is a difference though because the acts against them go against societal norms and would land the culprit in jail, but not at the expense of law abiding citizens. Just because someone owns a gun/knife, or has a few drinks doesn't mean they are going to kill someone. Abortion is murder every time, premeditated murder in fact. Tell me this. Why is ok to murder a child before it's passed through the vaginal canal, but it's not ok to murder it after it's outside?

Wonderful. I'm glad to hear you approve of the Brady bill and hand gun control. We really need more people to advocate for responsible gun ownership in this country. I'm also glad to hear that you're for controlling the sale for beer and liquor. Personally I like having a drink now and then but it certainly should be up to the bar to make someone stop drinking, I'm glad you agree.

About the abortion issue. If a baby can't live outside the womb on it's own then it's not alive yet, pretty simple. Everyone opposes late term abortions as do I. The Republican trick is to make pro-choice advocates look like child killers (sounds familiar huh?). If you outlaw people getting normal abortions (in the 6-8 week window) then you better make sure your "Sanctity of Human Life" agenda makes it to gun and druck driving victims also.
 

shiner

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Thera

Wonderful. I'm glad to hear you approve of the Brady bill and hand gun control. We really need more people to advocate for responsible gun ownership in this country. I'm also glad to hear that you're for controlling the sale for beer and liquor. Personally I like having a drink now and then but it certainly should be up to the bar to make someone stop drinking, I'm glad you agree.

About the abortion issue. If a baby can't live outside the womb on it's own then it's not alive yet, pretty simple. Everyone opposes late term abortions as do I. The Republican trick is to make pro-choice advocates look like child killers (sounds familiar huh?). If you outlaw people getting normal abortions (in the 6-8 week window) then you better make sure your "Sanctity of Human Life" agenda makes it to gun and druck driving victims also.

I'm not for the Brady Bill, never said I was. Nor am I for controlling/restricting the sale of liquor to those old enough to purchase it. What I am for is personal responsibility. You know, that thing that liberals hate. I mean when you start making people responsible for their own actions they quickly learn that they don't need the government to baby-sit them and liberals lose power. The same goes for abortion, it is a matter of personal responsibility. Have sex, use protection or you take the chance of having a baby. Either deal with that when it happens or cut out the activity that leads to it happening, don't kill a living thing just because you don't want it. If something can't live on it's own outside the womb then it's not alive? That s stupid statement. If the baby isn't alive in there then why does it respond to it's mother's speech patterns? Why does it respond to touch? Would you say that a baby who is born and 3 days later needs to be put on a vent isn't alive?
 

43st

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Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: Thera

Wonderful. I'm glad to hear you approve of the Brady bill and hand gun control. We really need more people to advocate for responsible gun ownership in this country. I'm also glad to hear that you're for controlling the sale for beer and liquor. Personally I like having a drink now and then but it certainly should be up to the bar to make someone stop drinking, I'm glad you agree.

About the abortion issue. If a baby can't live outside the womb on it's own then it's not alive yet, pretty simple. Everyone opposes late term abortions as do I. The Republican trick is to make pro-choice advocates look like child killers (sounds familiar huh?). If you outlaw people getting normal abortions (in the 6-8 week window) then you better make sure your "Sanctity of Human Life" agenda makes it to gun and druck driving victims also.

I'm not for the Brady Bill, never said I was. Nor am I for controlling/restricting the sale of liquor to those old enough to purchase it. What I am for is personal responsibility. You know, that thing that liberals hate. I mean when you start making people responsible for their own actions they quickly learn that they don't need the government to baby-sit them and liberals lose power. The same goes for abortion, it is a matter of personal responsibility. Have sex, use protection or you take the chance of having a baby. Either deal with that when it happens or cut out the activity that leads to it happening, don't kill a living thing just because you don't want it. If something can't live on it's own outside the womb then it's not alive? That s stupid statement. If the baby isn't alive in there then why does it respond to it's mother's speech patterns? Why does it respond to touch? Would you say that a baby who is born and 3 days later needs to be put on a vent isn't alive?

Oh... You're don't support the Brady bill? I thought you wanted to protect people from themselves and from others? That's your entire anti-abortion platform?! So people don't have the right to be protected from wackos with guns. A simple thing like a central gun owner database would help the police so much.

I'm all for personal responsibility also, so we agree on that. People are responsible for there own health and the health of there children. People are also resposible for there own lives. If a baby is unplanned then I trust the person can be resonsible enough to abort it.
 

shiner

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Originally posted by: Thera


Oh... You're don't support the Brady bill? I thought you wanted to protect people from themselves and from others? That's your entire anti-abortion platform?! So people don't have the right to be protected from wackos with guns. A simple thing like a central gun owner database would help the police so much.

I'm all for personal responsibility also, so we agree on that. People are responsible for there own health and the health of there children. People are also resposible for there own lives. If a baby is unplanned then I trust the person can be resonsible enough to abort it.
I never said I wanted to protect people from themselves. What I said is I want to protect people from idiots that can't handle being responsible for themselves. A central gun owner database? No thanks. Here's an idea....why don't we enforce the gun laws we already have instead of making up new ones due to a knee jerk reaction every time some nut job offs a bunch of people.

If a baby is unplanned for the people can be responsible enough to abort? Good lord that's a stupid statement. How about the people being responsible enough not to get pregnant in the first place. Nah....that would be too much to ask I suppose.
 

43st

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Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: Thera


Oh... You're don't support the Brady bill? I thought you wanted to protect people from themselves and from others? That's your entire anti-abortion platform?! So people don't have the right to be protected from wackos with guns. A simple thing like a central gun owner database would help the police so much.

I'm all for personal responsibility also, so we agree on that. People are responsible for there own health and the health of there children. People are also resposible for there own lives. If a baby is unplanned then I trust the person can be resonsible enough to abort it.
I never said I wanted to protect people from themselves. What I said is I want to protect people from idiots that can't handle being responsible for themselves. A central gun owner database? No thanks. Here's an idea....why don't we enforce the gun laws we already have instead of making up new ones due to a knee jerk reaction every time some nut job offs a bunch of people.

If a baby is unplanned for the people can be responsible enough to abort? Good lord that's a stupid statement. How about the people being responsible enough not to get pregnant in the first place. Nah....that would be too much to ask I suppose.

First off. Being responsible for not getting pregnant means abstinence, period. If you think that's ever going to happen you're living in lala land. The girl I dated all through college was on the pill, and took it every night. Guess what... She got pregnant. And you know what we did? That's right, we did the right thing. We were both in debt over our heads and didn't have jobs. It was the only decision for us to make.

Second. You say gun laws are fine and that current laws are fine. If you speak to anyone in law enforcement you'll know how helpful a database would be to solving gun crimes. But you don't want to help the police. Someone gets shot, they find the weapon, and then you advocate not allowing them to track the weapon?!? What kinda sense is that? You say "Oooo too much government, that's sooooo bad, it's almost evil". Then the abortion issue comes up and all of a sudden you're pounding government into everyone's face.

Simply tell me... Should the government control people's lives? yes/no?
 

shiner

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Originally posted by: Thera


First off. Being responsible for not getting pregnant means abstinence, period. If you think that's ever going to happen you're living in lala land. The girl I dated all through college was on the pill, and took it every night. Guess what... She got pregnant. And you know what we did? That's right, we did the right thing. We were both in debt over our heads and didn't have jobs. It was the only decision for us to make.

You did the right thing huh? The right thing to do would have been not to put yourself in that situation. However being in that situation still left you choices other than murder. You could have given up the baby for adoption you know. Didn't even consider that did ya?

Second. You say gun laws are fine and that current laws are fine. If you speak to anyone in law enforcement you'll know how helpful a database would be to solving gun crimes. But you don't want to help the police. Someone gets shot, they find the weapon, and then you advocate not allowing them to track the weapon?!? What kinda sense is that? You say "Oooo too much government, that's sooooo bad, it's almost evil". Then the abortion issue comes up and all of a sudden you're pounding government into everyone's face.

Here's a hint for you......criminals don't buy their guns in shops, gun shows, etc... like normal law abiding people do. There's this thing called the black market, the street, whatever you want to call it. Those guns would never be part of any database and thus the only people the database is infringing upon is the law abiding citizens. Criminals are called that for a reason you know.

Simply tell me... Should the government control people's lives? yes/no?
No it should not. You are the one advocating government control of people's lives, not me. Making abortion illegal is no more an intrusive act by the government than making a law that says it's illegal to murder someone is.
 

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Thanks for the discussion Shinerburke. Warm regards to you and yours. I'm sure we'll do this again soon. :)
 

shiner

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Thera
Thanks for the discussion Shinerburke. Warm regards to you and yours. I'm sure we'll do this again soon. :)

I have the same feeling....we seem to be polar opposites.